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Federal Lawsuit Filed Over Apple's Location Tracking in iOS [Updated]
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If you read the article, they aren't looking for A bIlliOn doLLaerz!!11
They simply want the practice to stop and have Apple refund the purchase price of the iPhone 4 and iPad.
That's more than fair and not "money grubbing" at all.
Any tracking, by iOS, Android, or on the PC and on the MAC, hhould be OPT IN only. Harsh penalties should apply to manufactures or carriers that do not comply with opt in.
There is a chance for this, only because the legislators do not want to be subjected to tracking like most of the population. If you do not care, then Opt In.
If this kills the business model or plans, too bad. This information should not be for the trackers to use as they please. It belongs to the consumer
There is a chance for this, only because the legislators do not want to be subjected to tracking like most of the population. If you do not care, then Opt In.
If this kills the business model or plans, too bad. This information should not be for the trackers to use as they please. It belongs to the consumer
I'm not judging Apple here but we already know that marshals use a special carrier website for this and they don't need a warrant, his information isn't up-to-date to say the least.
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_2 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8H7 Safari/6533.18.5)
This is a non-problem. I would be surprised if this "security issue" affected one person
This is a non-problem. I would be surprised if this "security issue" affected one person
Let's be realistic here, people are not about to stop using apps that need locations services. I would not call that very user friendly way to "opt out" . Now let's just wait for people to start writing apps to use this data
The amusing part of all this is that you can turn this "feature" off on a jail broken iPhone , be interesting why apple is storing this file and what code accesses it .
Funny thing is your mobile phone provider could build the same database of information about you regardless of the phone you use. Yet on one is talking about suing them are they. The only thing the smartphone local database may have is greater accuracy. Although I'm sure the phone companies own records would be accurate enough to tell how friend you are with you neighbors still.
The difference is unless an insider blows the whistle you'd never know what the phone company is doing with that info.
There is a huge difference between a phone carrier who "could build" it and a company like Apple that actually has built AND used it.
I know that people who live on Facebook don't have a problem with somebody collecting their data -- obviously, privacy is nothing they want to be bothered with or what they are concerned about. But without privacy, there cannot be Freedom.
I'm in the camp with the people who do NOT want ANY company - or government - on this planet to gather data about me without my explicit approval. I am against surveillance cameras, body scanners and any other Big Brother technology that only provides an illusion of safety at the total expense of liberty and freedom. So I certainly do not want to carry around a mobile tracking device for myself, and I definitely do not want Apple or Google, the CIA, MOSSAD, Obama or Gaddafi to know where I spent the last week.
It's like geo-tagging your life, not just your photos.
The iPhoneTracker app for OS X is pretty sweet! I can see a map and a bunch of circles around cell towers I've been near since June '10. I can see my travels to Wisconsin for 311 in Milwaukee and Dave Matthews Band at Alpine, my trip to Atlanta for a 311 show on Halloween, my trail left from my journey to Grand Rapids for Coheed/Porcupine Tree and everything in-between.
I'm more worried about someone getting a hold of my phone and posting on my Wall or tweeting something stupid using my 'always logged in' accounts. I could give a rats butt about the meaningless 'breadcrumbs' stored on my phone!
The iPhoneTracker app for OS X is pretty sweet! I can see a map and a bunch of circles around cell towers I've been near since June '10. I can see my travels to Wisconsin for 311 in Milwaukee and Dave Matthews Band at Alpine, my trip to Atlanta for a 311 show on Halloween, my trail left from my journey to Grand Rapids for Coheed/Porcupine Tree and everything in-between.
I'm more worried about someone getting a hold of my phone and posting on my Wall or tweeting something stupid using my 'always logged in' accounts. I could give a rats butt about the meaningless 'breadcrumbs' stored on my phone!
Opposing lawyer says: So please tell me, what evidence do you have that the numbers in this file have anything to do with locations where either my client or my clients phone have been? I mean "evidence" by an expert witness, not conjecture.
What makes you think that Apple has no need to save this info? Whenever Location Services asks for a location (which only happens when the user explicitely allows it), it checks for nearby cell towers and WiFi, then needs to find out the location from that information. There are two possibilities: If you have been in the same place before, and your iPhone remembers this information, then it knows by itself where it is. That's where the file is useful. If your iPhone doesn't remember the information, it is sent to Apple and Apple tells you where you are. Which means Apple knows _right now_ where you are.
For example, if this file contains the location of your home, your place of work, and lots of places on your way to work, this file makes sure that your iPhone can know its location whenever it is in any of these places _without asking Apple_ and _without telling Apple where you are_.
Well, there was a well-known British pop artist whose cosy life was destroyed (and quite rightfully so), because he sent his computer for repair and he didn't remove his child porn from it. No need to hack into any secret files, when people leave stuff like that around.
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Are people modding this comment up because they find the naivety of the poster funny?
Gee, I wonder how they could get the info off the device, it's not like it has the ability to phone someone and it's not connected to the Internet or anything.
Oh, wait....
I love this idea that since you don't see anything immediately wrong with something someone should be allowed to do it. It's people like you that let our civil liberties and personal privacy be eroded because "if we have nothing to hide we shouldn't mind".
Presumably they refuse to own credit or debit cards for the exact same reason. Or work in any building which requires swipe-card access. Or shop in any mall which has security cameras...
Simple fix, turn off notifications, turn off GPS, do not check in on foursquare or facebook or the like.
It is all in the user agreement, even during the preview of iOS 4, I believe it was Scott that was onstage talking about notifications, and basically how the phone is pinged to get your location in order to send you push notifications.
It is all in the user agreement, even during the preview of iOS 4, I believe it was Scott that was onstage talking about notifications, and basically how the phone is pinged to get your location in order to send you push notifications.
So rather than simply returning the device..
They want to stand in court, pay a greedy lawyer to brandish statements for the lawyers own personal gain... And in the end a simple software update will subdue the matter.. And the two crackpots get their iMoney back...
They want to stand in court, pay a greedy lawyer to brandish statements for the lawyers own personal gain... And in the end a simple software update will subdue the matter.. And the two crackpots get their iMoney back...
Cut the fanboy crap, Apple deserves this. By no means is this an opt-in, I´ve never been asked or at least been informed about the long time storage of my location data. Google should be sued aswell for this privacy invasion. You have to draw the line somewhere, Apple and Google clearly crossed it.
They want to stand in court, pay a greedy lawyer to brandish statements for the lawyers own personal gain... And in the end a simple software update will subdue the matter.. And the two crackpots get their iMoney back...
Congress is demanding information to all this as well, they also started a new investigation demanding IPs of users who rank on app store to raise the polls on kids games with scams as well as pro apple propaganda supporters to see who actually works for apple and trying to down play bugs, recalls, espionage, by trolling on forums to intercept or bury any negative apple topic, its better we find out apple is doing this before other countries BAN the products like Israel did confiscating ipads for a while at airports.
I repeat it again, it is a federal offense for anyone with out legal authority (license, District Attorneys authorization) to cable in from the central control of phone company, use phone or internet jammers, especially wire into phone taps or someones device like this.
As you sign agreements apple signed the FCC agreements and all the privacy act agreements, they are fully aware of the crime committed and know how much the fines are, perhaps Apple believes its worth the fine but whats really un forgiving is the way they collected political views from users last year, they must of used tracking software to monitor emails, chats and key strokes on forums, i totally believe its illegal and want to hear what they have to say in court about all this, you should to if you want privacy and no one planting your unique device ID in a scene of a crime to claim your a perpetrator..
Google was already sued and payed 83,000 K i believe or 100,000 K for collecting data of users routers with a device they refused to show in response, in fact they lied like apple until they finally showed the EU the device's unique ID while claiming it was a accident that they collected 8TB of users routers, passwords, device ID of router which means they simulated the routers ID and went on the net like pirates, if they want to, and so on.
While Google and other social networking sites are free Apple sold a object have it be a car, home or ipad but while with out the customers knowing they kept a copy of the keys.
They want to stand in court, pay a greedy lawyer to brandish statements for the lawyers own personal gain... And in the end a simple software update will subdue the matter.. And the two crackpots get their iMoney back...
yea yea yea, guilty as sin, Apple is corrupted period, they went too far, this was probably an attempt to track down wikileeks people to cover up US crimes abroad, becuase at the same time last year apple contracts NSA security staff members, look it up yourself using google, its free, anyone who defends criminals is an accomplice and congress will collect all the users data with warrants, even trolls with 12000 posts under their names in the last 2 years alone on the apple discussion boards, i wonder if they sleep or what, lets clean up the worms here and move on with a proper secure device instead of supporting a 1984 propaganda campaign
But we don't know the phone companies haven't built it. Indeed we can't know if they built. That information is never in our control. So it's not like we can hack their system and find out what data they keep or don't keep. Or how they have used the data once complied. We would only ever know if someone came out from the phone company and spilled the beens.
If You trust your phone company then why are you worried about your device maker having access to the same data. Yet only one has to be upfront about as the data in question is in your physical presents to find and destroy if you so choose. Digging in your phone and find what info is there is pretty trivial and if they tried to hide something the JB community would find it pretty fast.
would you buy a car while the original owners still have a copy of the keys, oh wait, they wont tell you,
go get a real job now man, if apple is not paying you then your certainly a loser to protect the wrong doing of any company, people have the right to refuse this IF THEY KNEW IT, apple took those rights under false pretenses, that is fraud as well, i bet the fines are in the millions
liar lair your pants are on fire, your trying to cover up for fraud and federal crimes committed here, last year apple collected more then location data, this is only a fraction of why congress is now after them again, they insist to keep doing this and your a accomplice,
The same authorities who capture porn, child and prostitution rings and round up hundreds are going to gather your IPs, bust Apple and their propaganda machine soon, maybe your one of those posting in the behalf of criminals as well, you can say what you want behind bars