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I really don't understand peoples freak out reaction to this. Why would anyone encrypt a file that is never transmitted. It's a log file that keeps event records for cell tower hand shakes. Until someone "helpfully" exposed this people were perfectly comfortable. Any file on a device can be read if someone has enough interest and resources. Look at the amount of effort people put into hacking the airplay key. I am more annoyed that someone took the time to read the file then instead of contacting Apple directly posted about it creating the very "security" breach. Until it was exposed it was not in any danger as no one knew to look for it. I mean why would Apple even bother thinking about encrypting a file that is local to the device and its local computer it sync with that most people don't know exists or how its accessed? If someone steals my phone they are going to have access to more important information than what cell towers i have managed to come in range of. Like so what if someone knows I was in a 5 mile radius of X tower on X day??I have probably been recorded by traffic cameras or store security cameras which give much more detailed information but most people are fine with that.

Now not only has someone told everyone about the file, making sure every news outfit has lots of coverage, but they helpfully provided instructions on how to access it and created program to make reading it easy. To me that's more annoying than Apple not encrypting it.

Anyone freaking out about this really needs to evaluate their lives. If you want devices that can tell you where to turn, what restaurant you should eat at and all the other helpful things smartphones do, you have to accept that there are computers out there that know where you are. If you are that concerned that someone might steal your phone and figure out that last week you were within x miles of x towers maybe you should not own a device that can tell you where you are. Maybe you should lock yourself inside your house (don't forget that the postal service knows where you live!) an pile on the tinfoil.
 
Apple stopped tracking my iPhone..They collected all the data they needed from my favorite bathroom stall and couch...
 
Why don't people take a moment and get some of their facts straight.

1 - The data is very vague. Have you run the program?
And why don't you take a moment and actually read what those publishing the little visualisation application had to say:
"To make it less useful for snoops, the spatial and temporal accuracy of the data has been artificially reduced."
The underlying data have a temporal resolution of one second, the visualisation app has a temporal resolution of one week.
 
4 - Suing a company does not take money from them. If they lose, they pay for things by charging people MORE money. So, the consumer pays in the end.

This is defective thought; if they charge people more money, they lose customers. The company takes a hit, the question is how much. If they can pass it onto consumers they will, but generally their prices are already set to make as much money as possible. Charging more won't be as profitable, in other words.

Believe it or not, there are costs businesses can't pass on.
 
I really don't understand peoples freak out reaction to this. Why would anyone encrypt a file that is never transmitted.
Why would you encrypt a document containing your Social Security number on your computer? It is never transmitted unless somebody hacks into your computer.
 
Guy....they are suing for the cost of the devices.....

It wouldn't matter if they were choosing to sue for a million or a penny. IF it goes to court and IF they win - there's a bigger matter at stake than the financial settlement.

So when you and others laugh at the "damages" being sought - you aren't looking at the bigger picture, legal precedents this case could set, bad press if Apple lost, other companies that would be "on the hook" for similar violations.

A guilty verdict would mean so much more than the damages sought.
 
But there was a CNN report last night that confirms that there is an Original. Its not lost its not hard to get (Wait 3 weeks). People have seen it. They say this still confirms he's legal. What I ask is if it exists, why not show it?

Read the Snopes article. It contains the released scan *of* the original. Why not release the *actual* original? Because you can't release the actual original to *everyone* who wants it because there's only one of it, and if it got damaged, lost, or destroyed every crackpot would use the fact that it no longer exists as 'proof' that it was fake.
 
Just curious how the iPhone can track you so well when last year we were all miffed about the lousy antenna. :eek:
 
Lawsuit Happy!

Does anyone else think it is amazing how many lawsuits are actively pending in the telecommunications industry?
 
Who's tracking?

"We take issue specifically with the notion that Apple is now basically tracking people everywhere they go"

Apple isn't tracking, the phone is. So, they are tracking themselves with their phones.

The two plaintiffs, an iPhone user in Florida and an iPad user in New York, are requesting refunds.

Take the iPhone and iPad back and return their money. They will regret it later. Oh! And don't cancel the contract. Not Apple's problem.
 
Just curious how the iPhone can track you so well when last year we were all miffed about the lousy antenna. :eek:

Another example of people trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. There is very little wrong with the antenna.

My iPhone 4 has worked great since day one. (on Rogers) The iPhone isn't perfect, but it is very, very good.
 
Why would you encrypt a document containing your Social Security number on your computer? It is never transmitted unless somebody hacks into your computer.

Most people don't encrypt files on their computer because they don't know how. They think putting a password on an Excel spreadsheet is good enough.

You can encrypt your iTunes backups too. There's a checkbox in iTunes. That fact that people don't is irrelevant, as those people probably have far more sensitive unencrypted data on their computer than where they've been.
 
"We take issue specifically with the notion that Apple is now basically tracking people everywhere they go"

Apple isn't tracking, the phone is. So, they are tracking themselves with their phones.

The two plaintiffs, an iPhone user in Florida and an iPad user in New York, are requesting refunds.

Take the iPhone and iPad back and return their money. They will regret it later. Oh! And don't cancel the contract. Not Apple's problem.

This is a big deal just because you don't care does not mean these people don't have the right to sue. Maybe others would like to return the phone as well and don't have the time to go through a lawsuit. Apple should fix the problem asap. If its on my Phone I should have an easy way to turn it off or get rid of this info. Its your Freedom that your giving up by letting up on this.
 
This is a big deal just because you don't care does not mean these people don't have the right to sue. Maybe others would like to return the phone as well and don't have the time to go through a lawsuit. Apple should fix the problem asap. If its on my Phone I should have an easy way to turn it off or get rid of this info. Its your Freedom that your giving up by letting up on this.

What problem?

If they are worried about someone bad getting a hold of the tower data, all they need do is lock down their phone which is what anyone who is concerned about security does anyway.

Should Apple encrypt the file? Yeah probably. Is this a big problem? No.
 
This is a big deal just because you don't care does not mean these people don't have the right to sue. Maybe others would like to return the phone as well and don't have the time to go through a lawsuit. Apple should fix the problem asap. If its on my Phone I should have an easy way to turn it off or get rid of this info. Its your Freedom that your giving up by letting up on this.

These people are suing based on a false claim: "Apple is tracking them". Apple does not receive the data - Apple can not track them. You seem to be making the same false assumption too. There's no freedom being violated here - it's just a data cache used by the phone. Apple doesn't get the data, and if you are worried about it being "unencrypted on your desktop" after you sync, then turn on encrypted backups.

The only action Apple could do is not back it up, but that's just a design decision, not a violation of your freedom. They also can't turn off the info or functionality would be diminished. Again just a design decision, not a violation of your freedom.

I have the right to sue McDonald's for putting skunk meat in their burgers, but that doesn't mean I have the right for my case to go to trial, because it's a ridiculous claim and I couldn't show any evidence to back up my claim.
 
This whole thing is a HUGE load of uninformed hype

It really boils down to one thing:

Cellphones *need* the ability to encrypt ALL the data in them, so nobody can simply connect a cable up to one and suck a copy of the information out of them, onto a computer.

There's really nothing magic or special about this location file on the iPhone. It's simply another "sensitive document" like many others people probably have on their smartphones. It doesn't matter if we're talking Windows Mobile or Android or Apple or any other product here. They ALL suffer from this problem. People may have their saved credit card info in certain applications, or maybe they have photos in their phone that they don't want everyone getting ahold of, or maybe it's simply some email in it that's confidential?

Right now, you can set a PIN or password on your device, but that's mainly just to prevent the casual user from picking it up and making calls on it or looking at the data. There are free programs out there that can blow right past that weak level of protection and download all the data in a phone in a matter of 10 minutes or so. The police dept. in Michigan is equipped with hand-held devices that do this, and they've been doing it during routine traffic stops and vehicle searches! But I know people who found Linux-based freeware apps for laptops that can do a similar thing. (Imagine if you're at the bar and someone steals your phone for a few minutes, sucks down all the data to a laptop, and puts your phone back again before you realize it was gone.)

Now, it WOULD be a lawsuit-worthy situation, if it was discovered Apple was actually downloading copies of these location files and storing them someplace on their own servers. But nobody's ever accused them of that.

iTunes already allows you to encrypt your backups of your iPhone when you sync it, so that should protect any copy of the file inside one of those. But they need to ensure people aren't just hooking up a sync cable to it and getting all your info that way.



What problem?

If they are worried about someone bad getting a hold of the tower data, all they need do is lock down their phone which is what anyone who is concerned about security does anyway.

Should Apple encrypt the file? Yeah probably. Is this a big problem? No.
 
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I don't get the big deal. Its not like they can tell where you've been since it records tower location not your location, and the tower could be within a few miles radius. I really cant fathom why the outcry is so large. Even if a hacker got this file what could they tell gee I live in southern California big whoop.
 
Typo

Is it simply not the case that the wrong word has been used to describe this farce?

Is it not more accurate to say that your IPHONE is tracking you, not APPLE?

An update to ensure the data is encrypted is all that is required here.
 
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I don't get the big deal. Its not like they can tell where you've been since it records tower location not your location, and the tower could be within a few miles radius. I really cant fathom why the outcry is so large. Even if a hacker got this file what could they tell gee I live in southern California big whoop.

Out here where we have lots of towers, accuracy is pretty good. And there are a lot of "parade of horribles" scenarios:

- I tell my boss I'm home sick but I go up to the city for a ballgame. When I get back to work and sync my phone with my work machine, the IT staff finds out I was 50 miles away from where I claimed to be.

- Possessive/abusive boyfriend/husband checks the backups and sees his female companion wasn't where she claimed to be.

- Go to Canada for vacation and when returning to the country the border patrol decides to impound my phone so they can see if I've visited any mosques or hippy conventions.

There are other ways to track people, but people don't expect their phones to produce these sort of to-the-second logs of location, even with location services turned off. When something invades our reasonable expectations of privacy, we have good reason to be concerned.
 
Out here where we have lots of towers, accuracy is pretty good. And there are a lot of "parade of horribles" scenarios:

- I tell my boss I'm home sick but I go up to the city for a ballgame. When I get back to work and sync my phone with my work machine, the IT staff finds out I was 50 miles away from where I claimed to be.

- Possessive/abusive boyfriend/husband checks the backups and sees his female companion wasn't where she claimed to be.

- Go to Canada for vacation and when returning to the country the border patrol decides to impound my phone so they can see if I've visited any mosques or hippy conventions.

There are other ways to track people, but people don't expect their phones to produce these sort of to-the-second logs of location, even with location services turned off. When something invades our reasonable expectations of privacy, we have good reason to be concerned.


1. Don't sync up your iphone at work. Claim your spouse took it with them. Etc. I don't think you'll find this a strong argument here.

2. Get out of the relationship. He can just as easily follow her. This can be done by other phones as well. Android grabs it, but for a shorter period. This isn't phone specific.

3. You have rights. Just because they say they can grab your phone for no reason doesn't mean they can. If they this, join the rest of the country and sue the crap out of them. I know the MI police thing will probably receive a bit of attention the next time they try it without probable cause or reasonable suspicion.
 
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