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Originally posted by paulwhannel
WOOOO software pirating!!!

okay, not to stir things up, but i don't see the need to argue on this one... You both pirate software, anything beyond that is symantecs. Who cares what you *think* of software piracy. You can justify if to yourself if you want... that doesn't make it right, the fact is, it's still illegal. can we all agree on that?

now, who's gonna send me a copy of PS7?

lol
:)
pnw
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I agree. That's all I've been trying to say all along. Very simple. I think it's illegal. Really fun to do, a challenge, but illegal.

NARRRR MATEY!!! SAIL THE SEVEN HL SERVERS!!!
 
Originally posted by mc68k

I/Rower' are attacking your attempt to steer the topic back to the original intent when in fact it now is directed towards your tactics.
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Listen to the way you refer to eachother now. It's so cute.

But seriously...

If there's one thing you should learn before 25, it's this: Be a man. Don't pull another man into your mess and don't worry about how the other guy plays his game. My tactics...? If you can't win - lose with grace. Don't be a whinner and don't make excuses.

(PS) - >>"Do I have to have ethics of my own to state facts and make a point?"<<

Well, even if you don't want them or haven't realized it yet, you have ethics. They're just underdeveloped.
 
Originally posted by tfaz1
Well, I wasn't going there but I'll take the credit.

You know what they say: A good therapist doesn't analyze. He leads the patient to their own analysis.
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A good therapist also knows when to be quiet and listen...

Back to the topic at hand:
>>Wait a minute. I think I must be flashing back to Phish Worcester '97. Didn't this guy just say that he knows that he's hurting people but keeps doing it? This is mature and straightforward? Aren't we talking about software?<<
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It's more mature and straightforward than someone who hides behind claims that piracy is acceptable "If I'm just using tools for personal use or to "learn" a little more about an application." Piracy is wrong. Period.

>>He is not Jean Valjean stealing a loaf of bread to feed his starving family. This lucky SOB get's to go to college and he's stealing (not clothes - not food) software...<<
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He never likened himself to Valjean, whereas I would say you are quite reminiscent of Thénardier; willing to do whatever it takes to serve your ends.

>>Now if you think I was a little rough, I'll admit it. But give me a little credit here. Recognize that I can communicate a number of levels of civility. But this guy came hard attacking my ethics with none of his own. He wanted to play hardball and I gave him hardball. He (and a few others) could stand a few more seasons in the minors.<<
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I appreciate a good round of verbal sparring as much as the next guy, but he never made the debate personal. You did. You took it to the "hardball" level without a vaild reason, other than the fact that you apparently didn't like a "kid" disputing your take on piracy.

I've kept things civil, thus far, and I appreciate you doing likewise. Let's try to come to some sort of consensus, or at least an understanding of what's going on here.
 
Originally posted by tfaz1

If you can't win - lose with grace. Don't be a whinner and don't make excuses.
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If I'm just using tools for personal use or to "learn" a little more about an application. I think it's perfectly fine for me to put a friend's copy on my computer. I'm not making any money off of FCP, Photoshop, or QT Pro. Therefore, I'm not getting any benefit form the products as they are intended. I'm really just ****ing around...

Now - If I get any good and start using these apps as a professional, then I'll have to go out and buy them. The software makers will benefit from my being able to freely test such pricey apps like FCP. Maya (who've actually taken the step of making free version available to all) figured this out.
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Hmmmm....reverse psychology maybe....[ponders]
 
Originally posted by tfaz1


Listen to the way you refer to eachother now. It's so cute.

But seriously...

If there's one thing you should learn before 25, it's this: Be a man. Don't pull another man into your mess and don't worry about how the other guy plays his game. My tactics...? If you can't win - lose with grace. Don't be a whinner and don't make excuses.

(PS) - >>"Do I have to have ethics of my own to state facts and make a point?"<<

Well, even if you don't want them or haven't realized it yet, you have ethics. They're just underdeveloped.
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I agree with Rower. And i have this to say: i don't have to have ethics to know this isn't worth arguing about. I'm not taking sides here, it's not my place, but neither of you are going to change the other's mind, and i see you getting personal here... telling someone to "be a man" just because they don't agree with you is hitting a bit below the belt, perhaps...

my2¢ as always :)
pnw
 
Originally posted by paulwhannel
I agree with Rower. And i have this to say: i don't have to have ethics to know this isn't worth arguing about. I'm not taking sides here, it's not my place, but neither of you are going to change the other's mind, and i see you getting personal here... telling someone to "be a man" just because they don't agree with you is hitting a bit below the belt, perhaps...

my2¢ as always :)
pnw
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Playing the diplomat, as always, I see...:)

Good points, hence my plea for coming to consensus/understanding..
 
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I appreciate a good round of verbal sparring as much as the next guy, but he never made the debate personal. You did. You took it to the "hardball" level without a vaild reason, other than the fact that you apparently didn't like a "kid" disputing your take on piracy.
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Are you reading the same thread I am? Take a look at his first two responses to me (the first interactions we have ever had on these boards). If you don't think his replys are pointed, then your EQ is far, far lower than your IQ.

Also, take note at his first post to me and tell me who was putting this debate on moral ground? Please, I might have been a bit hard on the boy, but can you not say that he was asking for it - just a little?

I'm sorry, but maybe my hazing was taken the wrong way. At the ripe old age of 24, we sometimes forget how it was to be young. I'd still be glad to defend my "pirating" as an ethical debate. What other kind could of debate could there be anyway? The law's the law. And this is that.

I'm sorry if things got hot.
 
Originally posted by tfaz1
Are you reading the same thread I am? Take a look at his first two responses to me (the first interactions we have ever had on these boards). If you don't think his replys are pointed, then your EQ is far, far lower than your IQ.

Also, take note at his first post to me and tell me who was putting this debate on moral ground? Please, I might have been a bit hard on the boy, but can you not say that he was asking for it - just a little?

I'm sorry, but maybe my hazing was taken the wrong way. At the ripe old age of 24, we sometimes forget how it was to be young. I'd still be glad to defend my "pirating" as an ethical debate. What other kind could of debate could there be anyway? The law's the law. And this is that.

I'm sorry if things got hot.
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There is some confusion as to whether a response is directed at the argument or the person. His first two responses ("That's a silly excuse for an argument." and "I think you're confusing borrowing with stealing to make yourself feel better about your illegal activities.") do not constitute personal attacks.

He brought up moral issues because they are central to the entire piracy debate. I don't really see how that can be avoided, nor do I see how it matters that he is the one who brought it up. If he hadn't, Hemingray or myself would have.

Shall we move past this and get back to discussing the original topic?
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU

There is some confusion as to whether a response is directed at the argument or the person. His first two responses ("That's a silly excuse for an argument." and "I think you're confusing borrowing with stealing to make yourself feel better about your illegal activities.") do not constitute personal attacks.
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I guess we'll just have to disagree on that one. Maybe your society conducts itself in a different manner. In my experience, phrasings like "Silly excuse for a..." and "Make yourself feel better about..." aren't usually trademarks of a constrctive conversation as much as they are an invitation to take off the gloves.
 
With that said, it's been a heated afternoon and late evening. I'm still game for Round 2. Tomorrow let's bring the "talking stone" to pass around so everyone can have their turn.

Goodnight*
'till tomorrow! Adeu.
 
Originally posted by tfaz1
I guess we'll just have to disagree on that one. Maybe your society conducts itself in a different manner. In my experience, phrasings like "Silly excuse for a..." and "Make yourself feel better about..." aren't usually trademarks of a constrctive conversation as much as they are an invitation to take off the gloves.
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Fair enough. How's that letter to Adobe coming? ;)
 
OK, one more response...

The letter to Adobe will be written when Hemingray tells me what he bet's they will do about it (gentlemen's bet, of course).

I'm betting they do nothing. Surprised?
 
Originally posted by tfaz1


I guess we'll just have to disagree on that one. Maybe your society conducts itself in a different manner. In my experience, phrasings like "Silly excuse for a..." and "Make yourself feel better about..." aren't usually trademarks of a constrctive conversation as much as they are an invitation to take off the gloves.
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I was not trying to attack you personally, just your argument. I'm sorry if things got heated too. Can't we all just get along? (hey that makes 4! :))

Let's get back on topic.
 
::deep breath:: Um, well... I guess I might have underestimated Adobe's resolve. While looking for a good place to send my "letter" to Adobe, I came across this:

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/report.html

I might just want to rethink that correspondence. ...so Hem, where can I buy you that beer? (*sike)

I'll call Adobe tomorrow. They've posted two "hotlines." Maybe I should record the conversation and throw it on my Mac.com site. Would anyone be interested in hearing it?
 
Originally posted by tfaz1
::deep breath:: Um, well... I guess I might have underestimated Adobe's resolve. While looking for a good place to send my "letter" to Adobe, I came across this:

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/report.html

I might just want to rethink that correspondence. ...so Hem, where can I buy you that beer? (*sike)

I'll call Adobe tomorrow. They've posted two "hotlines." Maybe I should record the conversation and throw it on my Mac.com site. Would anyone be interested in hearing it?
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Abso-friggin-lutely! I think that such a conversation would provide ample comic relief for everyone here. Keep us posted!
 
Originally posted by Rower_CPU

Abso-friggin-lutely! I think that such a conversation would provide ample comic relief for everyone here. Keep us posted!
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My thinking exactly. This thread needs a little levity. Anyone here know the best way to audio phone conversations? I was just going to use my DAT mic, but I know there must be a better way...
 
just make sure that you let them know that they are going to be recorded, otherwise their attorneys will have another item on thie r agenda.
Something like "For my own training purposes, quality assurance, and overall need for entertainment, portions of this conversation will be recorded." I'd love to hear their reaction to that. I once told a Sprint customer service rep I was going to record the conversation too for my own records, and they instantly hung up!
 
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