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Curious. You own Final Cut Pro. It currently meets your needs. Why would you switch to DaVinci Resolve? Blackmagic Design makes great stuff, but there is nothing to guarantee that they keep their software free forever. Their model is based on the idea that people will purchase their gear to use their software, but if Grant Petty does not feel he is getting a viable return, he will have to make a change.

I understand people choosing to start with Resolve, or switching from Premeire, but I am curious why people would switch that already only Final Cut Pro.
I see what you're saying, but for me it comes down to workflow. I'm already shooting on Blackmagic. In terms of hardware/software as a package, it's hard to beat what they're doing.

If Apple went to the trouble of allowing us (presumably paying out BMD) to edit BRAW natively in FCPX... I'd probably consider paying a monthly subscription fee. But just I don't see BRAW integration happening since Apple already has their own RAW format. For the trouble and limitations of converting BRAW to ProRes for every project, I'd rather learn new software. I'm not sure if that's lazy, or the opposite.

DaVinci has a much more robust colour grading interface, and I also feel that they're generally more innovative. Long term, it just feels like the right direction for me to take.
 
That's ridiculous logic. I still use my CS5.5 and CS6 Master Suite.
The last support for those applications was years ago (more than 4 for everyone, more than 7 for most people). Neither of them will run on macOS versions more recent than Mojave (and have sporadic problems on Mojave).
STILL. There is complete compatibility with every production house I work with and there's very little added to most of their programs to justify upgrading to a subscription. What few tools have been added can easily be rented for the month, used, and then unsubscribed.
I do not know in what industry you work, but I know that for the video tools, CS6 software will not open files saved/created with the current versions. Your workflow must be unidirectional, or do you only work with production houses that have not upgraded their systems in years?
So, I'm on *fifteen years* of CS5.5 and eight years of CS6. I'm running around $80 a year in cost. THAT is CHEAP.
You did not buy a full license of CS6 Master Collection for $640. The retail price was $2,500.
The thing is, your argument is the same load that every numbskull used to defend Adobe's move to subscription.
Most professional users want to have software that supports current hardware and operating systems and are not willing to risk their business for software that has been unsupported for that long. Most users upgraded at least every other cycle making the new model cheaper. If more than a tiny percentage of Adobe’s customers did what you did even under their old pricing structure, they would have ceased to exist.
 
I see what you're saying, but for me it comes down to workflow. I'm already shooting on Blackmagic. In terms of hardware/software as a package, it's hard to beat what they're doing.
If you shoot in Blackmagic RAW, lots of reasons to use DaVinci Resolve (especially if one owns one of their cameras and has a studio license.
If Apple went to the trouble of allowing us (presumably paying out BMD) to edit BRAW natively in FCPX...
There is no license fee for Blackmagic RAW. They have not supported it because they are pushing ProRes RAW.
I'd probably consider paying a monthly subscription fee. But just I don't see BRAW integration happening since Apple already has their own RAW format. For the trouble and limitations of converting BRAW to ProRes for every project, I'd rather learn new software. I'm not sure if that's lazy, or the opposite.
Neither. :) It is totally logical for you to switch from Final Cut Pro whether they move to a subscription model or not. My BF edits in all three (DaVinci Resolve, Final Cut Pro and Premiere). He has moved more and more to Resolve from Premiere, mostly for stability reasons. If they improved Fusion to make it more stable and improved its functionality, he would drop Premiere altogher.
DaVinci has a much more robust colour grading interface, and I also feel that they're generally more innovative. Long term, it just feels like the right direction for me to take.
They are certainly the industry standard grading software. They are improving in their other areas, but are still a bit behind simply as an NLE, and a DAW.
 
Should I grab FCP now before the subscription?

I just subscribed to this site just to ask your input.

Thanks.
Use the Final Cut Pro trial for a month. What is your use case? Are you planning on being a full time editor or is this just for fun? Very different answers depending on what you want to do. Also, what kind of projects will you be editing?
 
Please no. This is one of the reasons I use FCP vs Premiere. I saved SO MUCH money since I don't have to pay monthly with Premiere.
 
You only have to look at what Apple has been doing recently to see this coming (i.e. Apple One subscriptions).
 
The last support for those applications was years ago (more than 4 for everyone, more than 7 for most people). Neither of them will run on macOS versions more recent than Mojave (and have sporadic problems on Mojave).

And yet, they still WORK.

I do not know in what industry you work, but I know that for the video tools, CS6 software will not open files saved/created with the current versions. Your workflow must be unidirectional, or do you only work with production houses that have not upgraded their systems in years?

I work in features and feature advertising. You'd be surprised how many systems in that market are locked into old OS versions due to stability and proprietary issues. The 'newest and the greatest' isn't always desirable in a production environment. Dependability *is*.

FWIW I've also moved over to Affinity Photo which will translate modern PSD files either way. And what s that? Hey, I just looked: It's $24.99 right now! That and Affinity Designer will get you to 99% of what you want to accomplish in Adobe products. And in Designer's case it's way more stable than Illustrator.

You did not buy a full license of CS6 Master Collection for $640. The retail price was $2,500.

The $80 a year (amortized) is based on the CS5.5 suite. The upgrade price to CS6 was $899. So what is that cost? About $149.33 a year now? That's hella cheaper than Creative Cloud's $635+ a year for six years subscription cost.

Most professional users want to have software that supports current hardware and operating systems and are not willing to risk their business for software that has been unsupported for that long.

Again, there are a *lot* of older systems still in play. *Stability* is more important than New Hotness. Every. Single. Time. I just cut TV spots for a studio feature last year (you probably saw it) on OS X Sierra. I cut a trailer on Snow Leopard *two years ago.*

Honestly, you sound like someone who *works* for Apple. Or Adobe. You sure don't come off like a *customer*. As a business model, it can't sustain itself when *everything* is a subscription. People only make so much money and it's not infinite.
 
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Everyone complaining here keep in mind you used to have to buy upgrades every year to keep up, was basically a janky subscription model with the illusion of choice — yes you could just keep your version as is but then also get left behind. Apple switched to buy once, update free for life, which was awesome. But I’ve been getting free updates of FCPX for seven years now. That model seems unsustainable to me. Hopefully Apple strikes the right balance if they go the subscription route, making it easy to pay when you need it and not when you don’t and all for a fair price.
Well that is part of the problem. If I stop paying for my Photoshop subscription. I won't be able to work on those files. Sure Affinity Photo exists but its still not perfect importing psd files.
 
Totally! It's 5x the price of Logic. But it's definitely not the cost for me. I spend $2-3k per year on new sample libraries and audio plugins, updates, etc. Being a composer and audio professional is expensive. C'est la vie.
It is more than 5 times the price of Logic Pro today. It is 5 times the price plus $100 to $200 a year for upgrades.
It's the principle. It would be a cash grab, as everyone's pointing out.
Which principe? Steinberg charges for upgrades. If Apple did the same, why would that bother you?
It would likely be marketed in typical Apple fashion toward newcomers and hobbyists: now all the professional tools for only $10/mo.
It is perfectly reasonable for you to decide that another tool better meets your needs. However, moving because they are doing exactly what the software to which you are moving does, seems confusing. Again, maybe with a more consistent revenue stream they would provide better support. Maybe they will not. Given that they have not even announced anything, it is really hard to say. :)
My schtick is that my tool of choice, which I've used for 20+ years, is always taking a back seat to Garageband-like "innovation", and not keeping it a solid leader in the audio industry with regards to technical under-the-hood stuff. If you ask plugin developers striving for compatibility with all DAWs many would agree. See my last post.
I totally get this issue. It is possible that a subscription model will help them move faster and it is just as possible it will not change anything. :) The real question is what happens with high end Apple Silicon systems. If they build an Apple Silicon-based Mac Pro that competes with the top of the line from Intel and AMD, I would expect to see more pro features for their Pro Apps. If not, I would expect more Prosumer features.
I'd really like to have hope that a subscription would mean that Apple starts magically pushing more professional features.
It would not be magic. It would simply be because the project manager would not need to fight others for funds in the same way. Again, it may not work, but if it does, that would be the major reason.
But my intuition says to expect more "Garageband Pro" features. I'd buy Logic at full price once every 6 months if they pushed features that made is as powerful as Nuendo.
Right, which goes back to my point that it is not about principles, but about functionality. Years ago I was talking to a friend high up in management at one of the U.S. airlines. I said that people would pay more for a product that was really better. They would pay more for better customer service. He said that all their surveys say customers only care about price. I said that was because the airline industry has always had the price increase for their new initiatives first and then sometimes complete the service upgrade later. If they wanted to get people to buy them as a higher service airline, they had to deliver that first, and then after people recognized their quality, they could raise their prices.

In the same way, Apple need to deliver a better product for you first and then you would not think twice about paying more for it.
 
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Should I grab FCP now before the subscription?

I just subscribed to this site just to ask your input.

Thanks.

It really depends on what OS you're on. If you're on an Intel chip then they'll definitely support it for awhile--not update, *support*--but at some time they'll stop leaving hooks in the OS for it to work. If you're on their new M chip, you'll go a lot farther. Anything they sell you now is sold on an ownership license so it's yours to use as long as you have the hardware/software combo to support it. For example, I have a partition locked into High Sierra because I regularly use apps demanded in my business that are either no longer supported or too costly to upgrade. It's pretty common. I was at a mix house a couple years back that was still on Snow Leopard! if it works, it works.

But a lot depends on what you *use* it for. You might be just as happy with the free version of DaVinci Resolve to edit your stuff.
 
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Well that is part of the problem. If I stop paying for my Photoshop subscription. I won't be able to work on those files. Sure Affinity Photo exists but its still not perfect importing psd files.

Try working in, or converting to, the .PSB large document format and then bring it into Affinity Photo. I find that's more stable and easier on the scratch disk when working on bigger, higher resolution files.
 
Exactly.

And if you run a business... the cost of software and upgrades shouldn't matter too much since it's a business expense.

But if you can go the subscription route... why not save some money and get updates as they become available?

And let's not forget that Adobe never really made software for "normal" people. As someone said earlier... it's not for hobbyists.

The people who balked at the $700 price for Photoshop and $250 for upgrades probably shouldn't be buying that software anyway. Or $2,600 for Master Collection and $1,200 for upgrades. It's not for them.

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Adobe do EOL older versions of their software that were pre-subscription model, keeping various older versions in maintenance mode takes up resources - there should be a line to draw where developers stop supporting old products.

FCPX (now renamed back to FCP) has had major feature upgrades for years now and one purchase from years ago has entitled every single person to free unlimited updates on the current App Store model.

This is what prevents regular developers from being able to produce 'paid-for' updates - where people pay a fee to upgrade say a v1 to a v2 which they would have done in the past. Thing is, this leaves people who want to continue using v1 forever 'because they have paid for software and want it to work forever' expect to have the developer keep patching it to work with annual macOS updates and now architecture changes (from Intel to ARM).

Developers including Apple have to shoulder this model, where the initial fee is the only money that they will ever get from a customer and the only way to get more is to increase the user base. Difficult when, for example, a photo DAM like Lightroom or Aperture has only a limited probable user base - Apple already killed off Aperture likely because the bottom line was being affected and it was no longer economic to keep going for a user base who had already paid their initial fee - sometimes multiples years prior - and were complaining about lack of updates.

OK, so how do developers get a more reasonable income stream when version number updates can't be done? It seems the App Store would only support a subscription model for which there is a lot of resistance. I would suggest that price sensitivity is an issue.

They probably don't want to support multiple major versions on an optional upgrade basis - EOLing them after a set number of years. That's a lot of splintering for support costs and I can't see it being reasonable for small developers to keep a v1, v2, v3 etc in active support for a long time.

I can say that the Photoshop/Lightroom subscription model isn't too bad (prices of around $100 per year, there is a version with more Creative Cloud storage), and Office 365 is great value (1Tb, 5 users, industry standard software for $80 a year) and those guys rely on a large user base willingly paying.

Look at other major app developers who are seeing vocal resistance for their software update policy. I would argue because the monthly price is too high. Imagine password managers costing more in a year than previous versions of their app used to cost to buy outright? It might have been more palatable for more users had they priced so this fee was attained every two years perhaps.

I would say that a transition to a subscription model might perhaps also include a free variant with a set of features that are maintained and bug fixed (like Davinci Resolve) but with newer subscription features being actively developed for subscription fee. The idea of original content, add ons, and perhaps a discount on other Apple services might give extra value to the software itself.

The most obvious selling point could be including 1Tb of iCloud tier with a 'Pro App subscription' just like Microsoft throw in 1Tb of One Drive with Office 365.

So Apple could start selling a Pro tier of iCloud (with the fine grained bells and whistles that One Drive has) along with subscription access to 'Pro Pro' versions of FCP and Logic Pro (and obviously Pages, Numbers, Keynote etc), and tutorial, clip art, etc.

So for the sake of example, purchasing and maintaining FCP while paying for a high tier of iCloud storage gets you a special upgraded version of that software while the existing paid-for software is maintained at a slower pace.

What if this 'pro' tier included 1Tb of iCloud (or more) from $9.99 a month and any owners of Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro get access to the so-called subscription version of

What if Apple released a Lite version of both of these packages (with a lower buy-in price) to get more users onboard, and then offered the same subscription version while users were subscription to 'iCloud Pro'?

As log as the price wasn't ludicrous they'd still get more users who would appreciate the iCloud space while then being allowed to use the pro software which would then get a perpetual upgrade budget.
 
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I hate subscriptions.

I can access FCP with a special discount, with the pack for students (which include Logic Pro as well). But still, it’s 200$.

Do you think I should buy the software before it turns into a subscription model? Will that version of FCP be outdated as soon as this releases? Or will be the same version, keeping it updated?
Definitely buy both. Get the compressor and motion as well.
 
There's no end of this subscription crap. I guess it's the new reality. The thing that steams me is that the tiniest app now has a subscription. I don't mind paying a subscription for some complex program like Photoshop that was enormously expensive before the subscription model and is actually cheaper by the month/year. But a monthly fee for a metronome???

You've got to be kidding.
 
Wel if they bundled this with the Apple One subscription I’d be all over this
 
You’ll own nothing and be happy.
I came into this world with nothing and whining like a baby, and I will leave this world in diapers whining like a baby with nothing but my iPhone mini in my cold, dead, hand.

On a non baby note, if Apple does go subscription, I will use FCP that I bought when it was offered at $200 or find a good third party app. Either way, this news really doesn't bother me.
 
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It’s hard to say anything without also seeing what people will get in exchange for a subscription. If Apple can commit to more regular and meatier updates that gives FCP greater parity with premiere, it may not be a bad thing in the greater scheme of things.
 
Best way to go honestly. I had 3000 dollars and an option to get a Mac desktop or build my own PC which I can use for work as well as gaming. The decision couldn’t have been easier.

Provides a great contingency plan for if/when apple decides to pull stuff like this or further cripple macOS
Yeah because DaVinci is not available on macOS and the market leader - Premiere Pro is one-time purchase right?
 
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Adobe’s software was always unstable and always had erratic updates. Now it is just cheaper. My BF has an Adobe CC license, but has auto updating turned off for exactly this reason.

Adobe Creative Suite Master Collection was $2,500. The collection bellow that was $1,300. Upgrades from Creative Suite 5 were $899. In contrast, their current pricing is $600 a year. That is less than 1/4 the price for the original package and about 2/3 of the roughly annual upgrade pricing.

That their software is unstable is not a result of their new model.
No it has not. I was using Premiere Pro and After Effects long before they had subscription models and it was never as buggy as it is now. Most recently, Premiere Pro, Adobe Media Encoder, and After Effects completely freeze up on my computer with an AMD 5700XT. Previous version doesn't freeze up, and NVIDIA cards don't seem affected. Yeah you can reply saying I need to get a NVIDIA card, where/how? I tried, even the 10 series is out of stock everywhere.
 
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