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final cut 4

I have final cut express installed on my older G5 and just bought a macbook..
I wanted to transfer it from my G5 to my macbook with a memory styx but the macbook could not open it, this might sound stupid but do I need the original cd
(lost in some moving box) or should I be able to transfer it with a memory styx?
 
I think we're referring to two different things here. You're talking theoretical limits of media. I'm talking about what ends up on screen, as in what you would project VS a blu-ray.

The film rolls delivered to cinemas are 8K? Not a chance.

In a theoretical BEST CHANCE, BEST CASE, FIRST GENERATION, 35mm film role you'd have a chance of getting 6k. Maybe. That's generous. With analog you can debate away a few thousand lines here and there pretty easy.

I don't know many 35mm/Super 35/etc films that have a 6k pipeline from beginning to end. If it's perfectly transferred and played back digitally, most films probably hit 2k. If it's 35mm projected, it's far worse. Most film will see about 1,000 lines of vertical resolution or less when it's actually in a theater.

"At this point, the typical audience cannot see the difference between HD and 35mm. Even professionals have a hard time telling them apart. We go through this all the time at NYU ("Was this shot on film or video?")."

http://www.filmschooldirect.com/sample_lessons/sample_lesson_HD_vs_35mm.htm

As for IMAX, again, you're talking pie in the sky numbers.

From John Galt...

"The 4K system that most people know is IMAX -- and it doesn't quite make 4K, which is a surprise to people. “How can that possibly be?,” you say. “It's an enormous big frame.” Well, because of what I was talking about earlier: the physics of optics. When you take the entire system into account – from the lens of the camera, to the the movement of the light through the projector, all slightly reducing resolution -- you wind up with less than the full resolution you started with."

http://magazine.creativecow.net/article/the-truth-about-2k-4k-the-future-of-pixels

Maybe I'm way off base, but that's what I've seen, read, and been told. Anything you have to share to the contrary would obviously be an education for me, as I put my knowledge squarely at lower-middle. ^_^

BTW, IMAX trumps Blu-ray, no question. Huge difference. Ditto to a lesser extend for 65 and 70mm.

Sorry, I misspoke. What I meant to say is that 35mm OCN is easily 8K. A lot of people don't believe that 35mm can exceed 6K resolution, but it really does. We're talking about also including the blending of adjacent frames here... Not just pure amount of detail. Our brains see a higher amount of detail than there is in the frame because it combines detail from adjacent frames. It's not a lot of extra detail, but it gives a slight bump in resolution. 35mm OCN truly does hold about 8K worth of information. We don't have scanners that can extract that information, and the photochemical process chops out some information too, so we really have no way of reproducing it to that degree yet. I have worked with 16mm for quite a while yet, and I have projected all different kinds of film, be it color positive prints or color reversals, and I can honestly say that it exceeds 1080P by a long shot. Even the color positives, which would be prints of OCN material. It looks utterly fantastic. I have talked long and hard with laboratory professionals, including people who have actually measured the amount of sharpness and detail in film, and everyone agrees on this basic formula (these are all OCN, not counting prints or anything): 16mm - 4K, 35mm - 8K, 65mm - 16K, IMAX - 28K. Obviously these are estimated, but they are a lot more accurate than you'd think.
 
Read my post above yours. I'm not knocking 48fps, I'm knocking the idea of choosing it for a technical reason, instead of an aesthetic reason. A lot of filmmakers these days don't seem to understand the concept of appropriate aesthetics... One of the biggest of these is, in my opinion, James Cameron.

Sorry. I didn't see that post of yours when I wrote my reply.
 
Just rewatched most of the entire trilogy. Had fond memories of all of em but, I don't know, they just don't hold up. A lot of it is just downright creepy (Hey let's hire Biff because without him, we wouldn't have met. Yeah, without him trying to RAPE YOU!) And marty is just a whiny little d-bag who would have grown up to be a loser with loser kids without the help of that guy from taxi.

And such is telling of the general tolerance of the population. Me, I haven't seen a movie I really - REALLY - enjoyed and would consider paying for in years. The last one wasn't even made in America; the quality of that movie was top notch. The American filmmakers back in the days of BTTF were more concerned with writing a fun story and creating memorable characters with simple camera angles than they were with special effects and the "Bourne" motion blurring (which irritates me to no end) and numerous fight scenes and stuff being blown up. It gets old, fast.

In any event BTTF Blu-ray on the Sharp Quattron is an amazing experience. The quality of everything is top tier and you feel like you're standing on the filming lot at times, which is the exact experience I want.
 
Jobs just needs to get over it and include Blu-Ray.

Especially BD-R. It takes me 4 discs to do backups on DVD-R. I have a double-layer drive on a Windows computer, but even new Macs still have the old 4.7GB limit.

What does Steve want us to do backups to? Thumbdrives?

P.S. Apple store says that the Air is the future of the MacBook, so opticals are going away in future portables. Re streaming, not everyone has high-speed internet, or can even get it. Should Apple restrict sales to high-income people in major cities?
 
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What does Steve want us to do backups to? Thumbdrives?

I'd like to see BD drives in Macs, but backing up isn't (in my opinion) much of an argument for it. There's just too much data to back up these days that it isn't practical to use DVDs or BDs for this purpose (not to mention that optical media isn't very reliable for archival purposes).

For modern computers, you really need a scheme utilizing some combination of hard drives and online. For instance, in my case, I use a 2 TB drive in my MacPro to provide Time Machine backups for the other 3 HDs in my computer and my wife's Mac Mini. I also have a 2 TB external drive with 4 partitions that I use to make CarbonCopyCloner backups once a month of all the drives (except the Time Machine drive). This drive is then stored off premises.

The fact of the matter is that optical discs are not much of a choice for backup purposes these days, even if Blu-ray were available for the Mac.
 
Sorry, I misspoke. What I meant to say is that 35mm OCN is easily 8K. A lot of people don't believe that 35mm can exceed 6K resolution, but it really does. We're talking about also including the blending of adjacent frames here... Not just pure amount of detail. Our brains see a higher amount of detail than there is in the frame because it combines detail from adjacent frames. It's not a lot of extra detail, but it gives a slight bump in resolution. 35mm OCN truly does hold about 8K worth of information. We don't have scanners that can extract that information, and the photochemical process chops out some information too, so we really have no way of reproducing it to that degree yet. I have worked with 16mm for quite a while yet, and I have projected all different kinds of film, be it color positive prints or color reversals, and I can honestly say that it exceeds 1080P by a long shot. Even the color positives, which would be prints of OCN material. It looks utterly fantastic. I have talked long and hard with laboratory professionals, including people who have actually measured the amount of sharpness and detail in film, and everyone agrees on this basic formula (these are all OCN, not counting prints or anything): 16mm - 4K, 35mm - 8K, 65mm - 16K, IMAX - 28K. Obviously these are estimated, but they are a lot more accurate than you'd think.

OK cool. We're on the same page.

Happy ending and all that. :)
 
Guys, guys, guys... u can has external blu-ray drive. hell, Airbook or whatever doesn't even have an optical drive.
 
Guys, guys, guys... u can has external blu-ray drive. hell, Airbook or whatever doesn't even have an optical drive.

but u can haz not BD movie playback on your Apple, unless you boot Windows on it

Don't confuse the issue with external drives, since BD data is only part of the problem.
 
" Jobs noted during a recent internal meeting that he is "ashamed" that Apple's name is associated with the Blu-ray format"

And I am ashamed I ever was so stupid as to choose Apple over Windows when Amiga went down; I should have gone straight to Windows and never been suckered in by that wannabe toymaker clown.

If Lion doesn't implement Blu-ray, I'm gone for good, and my 12 core and 8 core towers will both be up on eBay along with all my Apple software including every Pro App made.

Already I've held off on updating to CS5 Master Suite because I know deep down I'll probably be buying the windows version from scratch.

I and my business need COMPUTERS from a CUTTING-EDGE COMPUTER MANUFACTURER; not five-year old technology neglected models from a FAD TOYMAKER.

:apple:
 
I'm on CS5 for Mac right now, and it's pretty nice. I have an nVidia GTX285 card coming Monday, and that should cut down some of the crazy render times. This will hold my head above water for a while, hopefully long enough to see the next Final Cut version, as I've been curious to see what Apple is really capable of. If I'm not sufficiently impressed, I'll return to building PC edit suites.
 
I'm bumping this thread as the window of FCP's chances to remain with my company is fast closing. (Somewhere around middle of May and we'll be deciding what to do)

Has anything else been hinted at lately? I was hoping they'd announce something at NAB but last I checked they aren't even an exhibitor... Oi!
 
I'm bumping this thread as the window of FCP's chances to remain with my company is fast closing. (Somewhere around middle of May and we'll be deciding what to do)

Has anything else been hinted at lately? I was hoping they'd announce something at NAB but last I checked they aren't even an exhibitor... Oi!

Apple stopped doing trade shows 2-3yrs ago. They replaced them w/Apple-centric product tours and they also make appearances at some of the bigger FCP user groups. Last year at NAB, for example, they were at the Supermeet in Vegas (a giant, joint meeting of many FCP user groups from across the country).


Lethal
 
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