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Finally Qualcomm has stopped chasing a high core count!

TechGod said:
Sorry I meant that many flagships were let down by the 810! I worded it incorrectly, the Exynos chip was pretty great.
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I fully agree. The 810 ruined potentially great devices.

The worst hit has to be HTC, the One series were quick becoming the way to go if you want a nice allround decently sized flagship with a great Skin, then the M9 came and ruined it all with the 810, I can't remember the last time I saw an HTC being recommended to anyone, or it being labelled a Top 5 Android, huge contrast to the M8 which was loved by so many incl. reviewers. What an awful year for Htc.
 
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bkends35 said:
What's the point when samsung's/lollipop's ram management is so poor it can only hold a few apps in memory with 4gb of ram?

And why are you mentioning memory speeds? You sound insecure.
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When it comes to iOS, I would never mention RAM management. Apple finally wisened up and added an extra Gig, but the only reason they did that was because of the constant crashes and refreshes of webpages and apps with only 1GB. I wouldn't be slinging rocks around when the house of Apple is made of glass.
 
Tsepz said:
I fully agree. The 810 ruined potentially great devices.

The worst hit has to be HTC, the One series were quick becoming the way to go if you want a nice allround decently sized flagship with a great Skin, then the M9 came and ruined it all with the 810, I can't remember the last time I saw an HTC being recommended to anyone, or it being labelled a Top 5 Android, huge contrast to the M8 which was loved by so many incl. reviewers. What an awful year for Htc.
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Wonder if they'll come back with a good phone with the M10... Here's hoping they use every feature they can use that the new 820 SOC offers.
 
Lloydbm41 said:
When it comes to iOS, I would never mention RAM management. Apple finally wisened up and added an extra Gig, but the only reason they did that was because of the constant crashes and refreshes of webpages and apps with only 1GB. I wouldn't be slinging rocks around when the house of Apple is made of glass.
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Yeah. I am not happy with my phone having only a gig because I fully expect to see it get bogged down next year with iOS 10.
 
Lloydbm41 said:
When it comes to iOS, I would never mention RAM management. Apple finally wisened up and added an extra Gig, but the only reason they did that was because of the constant crashes and refreshes of webpages and apps with only 1GB. I wouldn't be slinging rocks around when the house of Apple is made of glass.
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Apple's ram management is very good.

Whether they had proper hardware (only 1gb) on the 6 is a totally different story.

I still get surprised how many apps my 6s can keep in memory. Last night I opened my Reddit client around dinner time and it was still in memory from the 7am the same morning. And I use my phone pretty much all day at work for podcasts, Facebook, Twitter, snapchat, fantasy football, web browsing, etc.
 
bkends35 said:
Apple's ram management is very good.

Whether they had proper hardware (only 1gb) on the 6 is a totally different story.

I still get surprised how many apps my 6s can keep in memory. Last night I opened my Reddit client around dinner time and it was still in memory from the 7am the same morning. And I use my phone pretty much all day at work for podcasts, Facebook, Twitter, snapchat, fantasy football, web browsing, etc.
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My wife nearly threw her iPhone 6+ at the wall on numerous occassions because she would be halfway down a long webpage (especially one with lots of pics) and baam!... refresh. Start all over again. Really frustrating when it happens/ We call that poor ram management. She has never run across that issue with her Note 5 (which replaced the 6+ primarily because of the refresh issue and app fc's).
 
Lloydbm41 said:
My wife nearly threw her iPhone 6+ at the wall on numerous occassions because she would be halfway down a long webpage (especially one with lots of pics) and baam!... refresh. We call that poor ram management. She has never run across that issue with her Note 5 (which replaced the 6+ primarily because of the refresh issue and app fc's).
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Did you read my post? I even said the iPhone 6 needed more ram. Try the note 5 with 1gb of ram and tell me how that goes. It was a huge mistake to only include 1gb on the iPhone 6, especially after seeing how much better the 6s is with 2gb.
 
bkends35 said:
What's the point when samsung's/lollipop's ram management is so poor it can only hold a few apps in memory with 4gb of ram?

And why are you mentioning memory speeds? You sound insecure.
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Here is my stock rom note 5 running at 2.5ghz just a few apps in memory right lol

 
grkm3 said:
Here is my stock rom note 5 running at 2.5ghz just a few apps in memory right lol

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God dang I would hope it can hold 10 basic apps open. It'd be sad if it didn't. Try that with a few games next time and report back.
 
My Note 4 multitasking below get back to me when the iPhone can do the same and still have other apps in the background, without JB.

The Note5 can actually do the same and have the apps as multiple floating minimized windows. So there is a way around its background task killing aggression.

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grkm3 said:
Here is my stock rom note 5 running at 2.5ghz just a few apps in memory right lol

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Some basic apps that use little ram and you're bragging? Load temple run, dead trigger and asphalt and watch all those apps reload lol.
 
Samsung just put out its press on its next gen exynos m1

8 CPU cores and 12 gpu cores running at 850mhz each.they are pushing 4k graphics for gear vr!
 
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Blaze4G said:
Some basic apps that use little ram and you're bragging? Load temple run, dead trigger and asphalt and watch all those apps reload lol.
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I'll pay pal you 10 bucks if you can run all those apps I ran and then load and play those games and see if you don't reload.

No one freaking runs 8+ apps and games like that and this forum has uses Samsung's ram settings and taking it to another level.

In real life no one cycles 12 apps to see how many the phone will hold and the reason Samsung's kills apps in ram is because its conserving power doing it.

I have zero issues with ram reloads
 
TechGod said:
I'm talking about CPU core counts. Chasing those for marketing purposes was stupid, these modifications however are much better.
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Core count isn't stupid like to put it. Otherwise why isn't Apple shipping a single core SOC?

Yes, beyond a certain limit it's not justifiable. Many apps in Android are muti-threaded and specially browsers make use of mutiple threads.

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We see a consistent use of 4-5 cores and a large burst of up to 8 threads. This is a very surprisng finding and impact on the way we perceive the core count usage of Chrome.
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The total run-queue depths for the system again confirm what we saw in the previous scenario: Chrome is able to consistently make use of a large amount of threads, so that we see use of up to 6 CPUs with small bursts of up to almost 9 threads.
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Also Play Store updates.

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We routinely have peaks where all 8 cores of the system are fully loaded and peak at over 10 threads. It looks like Google is able to massively parallelize the app update process and take advantage of even the highest core-count SoCs. This scenario is absolutely about maximum throughput and performance while utilizing all available hardware resources.
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Video recording:

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RR3:

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It's foolish to say that core count doesn't matter. Yes, single core performance is important, but mutiple cores can also play a big role. All you need is for devs to make proper use of the hardware.

For now, 4 cores or an optimized 4+2 design looks like a decent figure.
 
grkm3 said:
I'll pay pal you 10 bucks if you can run all those apps I ran and then load and play those games and see if you don't reload.

No one freaking runs 8+ apps and games like that and this forum has uses Samsung's ram settings and taking it to another level.

In real life no one cycles 12 apps to see how many the phone will hold and the reason Samsung's kills apps in ram is because its conserving power doing it.

I have zero issues with ram reloads
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I'm genuinely curious if the note 5 can even run those games without reloading one.
 
grkm3 said:
I'll pay pal you 10 bucks if you can run all those apps I ran and then load and play those games and see if you don't reload.

No one freaking runs 8+ apps and games like that and this forum has uses Samsung's ram settings and taking it to another level.

In real life no one cycles 12 apps to see how many the phone will hold and the reason Samsung's kills apps in ram is because its conserving power doing it.

I have zero issues with ram reloads
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I agree. That's why these youtube videos showing serial app open and close I believe are essentially worthless, imo.
 
I7guy said:
I agree. That's why these youtube videos showing serial app open and close I believe are essentially worthless, imo.
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It gives a good idea of real world usage. I don't 'kill' any of my apps in the task switcher, I just let the operating system manage them, so it's helpful to see how many apps it can keep in memory at one time.
 
bkends35 said:
It gives a good idea of real world usage. I don't 'kill' any of my apps in the task switcher, I just let the operating system manage them, so it's helpful to see how many apps it can keep in memory at one time.
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To me it's similar
bkends35 said:
It gives a good idea of real world usage. I don't 'kill' any of my apps in the task switcher, I just let the operating system manage them, so it's helpful to see how many apps it can keep in memory at one time.
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but going in and out of apps as fast as possible is not a real world scenario.
 
I7guy said:
To me it's similar

but going in and out of apps as fast as possible is not a real world scenario.
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I'm talking about ram management. Sure, it's a 'speed' test but I'm looking at how the phones mange the memory.
 
Michael Goff said:
That doesn't look like it'd be useful.
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The beauty is that you can adjust it to be useful to you, be it when taking notes from a video, dragging files from one app to the other, QCing a social media post with all 3 windows showing the diff. networks etc... It helps me with work and personal things.

I remember when people didn't think smartphones would be very useful until they got one, then they thought GPS wouldn't be useful in a phone, until they got a phone with one. Always great to see what people realise when they actually get the feature.
 
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