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Finder of Lost Next-Generation iPhone Identified
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I think you can be pretty sure Apple representatives, whether dressed in conformance with your nightmares or not, probably are aware of the laws against trespass. That would be tortious, and for no real reason (they could just wait outside until the guy got back).
That's the manager's moral quandry to have.
I don't get to avoid doing the right thing because somebody else down the line might do something corrupt.
You know who thinks like that? People that don't want to do the morally correct thing, and who know it's wrong because they're justifying it.
It's like a broken record around here lately. This was not just any ol' cell phone!
What did Apple do here? A piece of their hardware was STOLEN, then SOLD, and now the people that committed the felony are being prosecuted by the law.
Seriously, I can't believe you don't realize that a crime has been committed here.
Oh, certainly. Proof? Engadget posted pictures of the exact same phone before Gizmodo did. It's unclear whether these were sample pictures taken and submitted by Hogan, or if he stopped by and let them photograph it, but either way, Engadget were the ones who broke this story. Engadget were the first to ruin Apple's surprise by showing the phone to the world. Yet after Gizmodo took it one step further and bought/disassembled the phone, all eyes were on them, Engadget's name was completely wiped from memory and Gizmodo somehow retroactively got the entire blame for the whole shebang. Lesson learned: Just take pictures, get off scott free.
Indeed. That's how bribes tend to work. "Oh, no, I wasn't bribing him, you see, I just found this money on the ground, and I thought I'd give it to him for safekeeping... he seemed like the right person to give it to. I mean, someone might have stolen it! And any favours he did for me after were pure coincidence..." Even if you weren't /intending/ to receive a favour, you were opening the opportunity. And the teller has no official (laws in your region may vary) duty to handle lost property on behalf of third parties.
If you find some lost property, you could hand it to the owner, or report to the police. A distant third is to try a lost property department if at some public place, e.g. airport. Anything else is pretty much equivalent in terms of having decided that you're not interested in having the owner get it back.
If you'd identified this phone as almost certainly an Apple prototype, it was absolutely the correct thing to do to contact Apple. Which was done. And if Apple had abandoned the property, because someone speaking on behalf of Apple wasn't aware of what it was, well, sucks to be Apple. Which is what happened. It doesn't matter that Joe Developer had the phone on his person - it wasn't, as far as anyone seemed to believe, actually his property.
So, everyone's out to make a buck, everyone's incompetent, everyone's self-righteous, and everyone's blaming everyone else. And the world's best marketing company is enjoying the world's best marketing. Business as usual.
I can't believe that, after about 5000 posts over the last few days, people are still bringing up these same clueless arguments. I also can't believe I've read most of them. Must. do. work.
A little off topic but since we are talking about breaking the law, you know Mr. Jobs drives around without a license plate on his car. Is he breaking the law or is there some kind of special circumstance that is applied thus overlooking the law.
I agree that a crime was committed, I never said anything different. However, since your true fanboi colors are flying, Apple LOST the phone, it wasn't stolen. Having something stolen is different than losing it, please learn the difference.Are you really that inept? What did Apple do here? A piece of their hardware was STOLEN, then SOLD, and now the people that committed the felony are being prosecuted by the law.
Seriously, I can't believe you could be that dumb as to not realize that a crime has been committed here.
They aren't kids. They are adults and need to act like it. Apparently they lack a crap load of common sense. Why? Well let's see..
Common sense would tell me if I find something that's not mine, I attempt to find the owner. If I do not, I give it to the police if it warrants it. I DO NOT go and sell it. OBVIOUSLY someone knew what he had was valuable because he was PAID. He knew he had something. It had freaking APPLE on the back. Gizmodo knew he had something.
Common sense states, if someone is going to give you a lot of money for something, what you have obviously is worth something. Hence - DON'T SELL THE DAMN THING especially after you FOUND it and it's NOT YOURS!
Steve Jobs' car has a license plate. A special one that any resident of California can get.
I see dejo already called you out on your lies about personal attacks (thank you, dejo), yet you fail to understand the principle here.
I'm going to try to make this real simple for you.
You leave your phone at a bar. The result of you leaving your phone at a bar is that the phone is at the bar, while you are not.
If you choose to come back and ask around, this phone will still be at the bar.
If it is not there, what has happened? Somebody will have taken it. Somebody will have taken your phone, knowing that it is not their property, and left the bar.
What is it called when someone takes something that is not theirs?
Theft.
Let me know if you need further assistance.
Lessons to be learned:
1. Learn to figure out who won't leave important things in a bar.
2. If you find something you think is valuable, do your best to return it without selling it off.
Can we get back to our lives now?
1. Learn to figure out who won't leave important things in a bar.
2. If you find something you think is valuable, do your best to return it without selling it off.
Can we get back to our lives now?
I have but one question:
If my iPhone were lost, would the Santa Clara and San Mateo Police Departments and District Attorneys be conducting a similar investigation? What if it had been stolen? What if I had been robbed?
What would it take for me to get the same level of support from these officials? Could I even get the same level of support?
If my iPhone were lost, would the Santa Clara and San Mateo Police Departments and District Attorneys be conducting a similar investigation? What if it had been stolen? What if I had been robbed?
What would it take for me to get the same level of support from these officials? Could I even get the same level of support?
If you ran a local business of the size of Apple and the device was a prototype and intellectual property as well as physical, then yeah, probably. This was not just any phone. It's been said.
Some say he's naive but not so stupid that he couldn't follow the money. Now he'll turn this into a media windfall. We'll see his punk a** on DWTS.
Geesh!
"Hello this is Mr.Worhol asking 21st century Media Creations to establish a Mr.Brian J. Hogan his requisite 15 minutes. Chow baby!"
Geesh!
"Hello this is Mr.Worhol asking 21st century Media Creations to establish a Mr.Brian J. Hogan his requisite 15 minutes. Chow baby!"