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Firefox vs. Safari

Aronnax said:
Hi,
you have you still not understood, what the Acid3 meant and what it can do and what in particular not ;-)

Cheers
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No offense man, but you can't even form fully coherent sentences. How am I supposed to believe you know what I do or don't understand?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid3

That is where I got my definition of the Acid3 test. If you disagree with something on wikipedia you should either A) Sign up and change it, or B) Take it up with the author.

Else wise you aren't reading my posts correctly.

xUKHCx said:
OK two bigger examples.

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Firefox to me is too bunched up, stretched vertically and thicker lines. When it is extended to larger documents on the whole it looks ugly and makes reading it slightly more difficult.

So there is a difference. Anyway to you it looks better, to me it looks worse. Personal preference.

Neither one is bad per se, they are just different.

I prefer how Opera / Safari render the text and as most of my web browsing experience is reading text I prefer Opera / Safari. You may prefer Firefox.
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Gotcha.

Yeah, I'm not sure which one I prefer better, even when they're held side by side, they're just different, I'm not sure if I can necessarily call one "better" than the other.

Though to be perfectly honest I don't think I'd actually notice the difference if they weren't side by side and I was just reading some random blog on the web or something.
 
Syndacate said:
No offense man, but you can't even form fully coherent sentences. How am I supposed to believe you know what I do or don't understand?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid3

That is where I got my definition of the Acid3 test. If you disagree with something on wikipedia you should either A) Sign up and change it, or B) Take it up with the author.

Else wise you aren't reading my posts correctly.
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Hi,
sorry - i have only my poor little english and from time to time is it wrong, but we can try it with a different language, if you want ;-)

What you don`t understand is:
There is not one browser, which support all the web standards and 100 points on the Acid 3 test imply still nothing.
They have all still big holes, and on the other hand support every browser even some parts, which are not already a standard.

For example: http://webkit.org/blog/138/css-animation/
CSS-animation will be likely in the future a part of the official W3C standards, but not now - http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work
Or for example: http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/09/firefox-31-gets-cool-web-page-transformations-support/

From a Mozilla developer about the Acid 3:
http://shaver.off.net/diary/2008/03/27/the-missed-opportunity-of-acid-3/
"Ian’s Acid 3, unlike its predecessors, is not about establishing a baseline of useful web capabilities. It’s quite explicitly about making browser developers jump"

Again:
There is not one browser, which support all the web standards.
Some (Apple, Opera) use the Acid 3 test in particular as a marketing resource and fix especially as well the Acid 3 test bugs. Some do it not (Mozilla), because they think the test is not good enough and other web standards, which are not a part of the Acid 3 test are currently more important.
Other (Microsoft) are so far behind everything, that they don`t even think about stuff like the Acid 3 test .

And for example a better test:
578 tests only about the small part of CSS Selectors - stuff like this represent much more ;-) :
http://www.css3.info/selectors-test/test.html


Cheers
 
i don't mind trading a few seconds, if that, on speed using firefox and get all the great addons and plug ins instead. If you don't need/like the addons then use another browser.
 
Just wanted to say that the latest Firefox 3.1 beta 3 is really fast, and I am really happy with it. It replaced Safari 4 on my system.
 
Here is my two cents:

Firefox does not support the Gestures on my Macbook...


I cant swipe to go back or forward...


Yet, some sites have a hatred for Safari, so i always have Firefox installed if that occasion should occur.
 
creon said:
Here is my two cents:

Firefox does not support the Gestures on my Macbook...


I cant swipe to go back or forward...


Yet, some sites have a hatred for Safari, so i always have Firefox installed if that occasion should occur.
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There is a little app called multiclutch which solves this problem. Plus you can assign gestures to other apps as well. Great little program and it's free.
 
creon said:
Here is my two cents:

Firefox does not support the Gestures on my Macbook...


I cant swipe to go back or forward...


Yet, some sites have a hatred for Safari, so i always have Firefox installed if that occasion should occur.
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Like pointed out, multi touch gestures works fine in the latest Firefox beta. The scrolling also works very well. I know because I have the new Macbook myself.
 
Firefox Hulu Heaven

Maybe I've just caught a good broadband speed wave here, but being a Safari die hard I have to admit my Hulu video seems to be less jerky on Firefox even especially running two other LCD's. I'll switch back and forth this week and see if it holds true.

Also finding Foxmarks to sych the bookmarks on my 2 laptops and one desktop works great for Firefox.
 
I've only had my first mac for a few days so I've only started using Safari (version that came with Leopard) to see what all the fuss was about. I've since gone back to FF 3.1b3. The multitouch scrolling and back/forward is there, there's the added 3-finger up/down to skip to the top/bottom of the page, I love FF's ability to switch the search provider (and add new ones), the extensions (mainly adblock), but the biggest thing was I could seem to get RSS feeds to work as they do in FF.

In FF, when you add an RSS feed to the bookmark bar and click on the link it pops up a list of all the headlines from the feed. In safari, if I do the same, clicking the link takes me to the actual RSS page (away from the page I'm on).

Also, I don't like the way Safari opens new windows rather than new tabs and I can't seem to find a way to change this behaviour.
 
Until firefox is totally written in cocoa, osx services, and keychain work with it, I can't use it as primary browser. It seems like a fake mac browser. I love the extensions. I would love to have the downloadhelper extension on safari. Most of the extensions I have in firefox is also in safari. Some like glims are incredibly powerful.

One other thing I have to give credit to firefox on is memory usage. I would have thought with safari 4 that apple would have put an end to this but she is still a hog.

Instead of copying chrome and having those ugly tabs, I would have liked to see them take the sandboxing of tabs. I can't believe apple did not add this in.
 
str1f3 said:
Until firefox is totally written in cocoa, osx services, and keychain work with it, I can't use it as primary browser. It seems like a fake mac browser.
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firefox is 95% in cocoa since version 3. But yes, OSX service and keychain are two issues. But thats because there are deeper problem related to those that Mozilla does not want to switch lightly.

Firefox allows remembering of multiple username/passwords on same page, to use keychain, there will be lot more work to be done. Which currently doesn't seem to present compelling necessity. So is service menu.

I consider that there is pros and cons related to those things. Each person can judge for themselves based on their usage to decide if they want to pick one way or the other.
 
clevin said:
firefox is 95% in cocoa since version 3. But yes, OSX service and keychain are two issues. But thats because there are deeper problem related to those that Mozilla does not want to switch lightly.

Firefox allows remembering of multiple username/passwords on same page, to use keychain, there will be lot more work to be done. Which currently doesn't seem to present compelling necessity. So is service menu.

I consider that there is pros and cons related to those things. Each person can judge for themselves based on their usage to decide if they want to pick one way or the other.
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I totally agree - Firefox 3 is much better than Firefox 2, in terms of Mac integration. I suspect, though, that the keychain problem is on Apple's end, not Mozilla's.
 
The only thing that bothers me is that neither Safari version 3 nor version 4 beta can log in to my online banking service. Firefox 3 has no problems doing that. I think I know it's my bank that is at fault here but I sent off my reports to Apple hoping that they can look into supporting the bank's way of using secure logins(HTTPS)

I'm using Safari4 beta every day all day and only using Camino or Firefox for the banking service which I can live with doing.

My Safari is already pumped up with Glimmerblocker, Glims, DeliciousSafari, Stumbi, Cooliris, 1password, Cosmopod, SafariStand and Greasekit. I don't need Firefox for any of the extensions. Safari has got me covered.
 
I use the WebKit nightly builds running on top of the Safari 4 Beta, and it runs like a freakin' cheetah. Blazing fast. Add on Glims, SafariStand, and a couple ad-blockers, and I've got my perfect browser.
 
Sergeant Pepper said:
I use the WebKit nightly builds running on top of the Safari 4 Beta, and it runs like a freakin' cheetah. Blazing fast. Add on Glims, SafariStand, and a couple ad-blockers, and I've got my perfect browser.
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I just switched back to Firefox 3 from Safari 4b. Perhaps I should have given the WebKit nightly build a shot because I was finding Safari to lag a little bit on new tabs and links. Firefox is more responsive.

Though the one deal killer for me with Safari, and this might seem petty, is the lack of tab navigation with Command-(numbers). Seriously, if Safari would integrate tab keyboard navigation the same as Firefox I would be hard pressed to ever leave Safari again.
 
clevin said:
firefox is 95% in cocoa since version 3. But yes, OSX service and keychain are two issues. But thats because there are deeper problem related to those that Mozilla does not want to switch lightly.

Firefox allows remembering of multiple username/passwords on same page, to use keychain, there will be lot more work to be done. Which currently doesn't seem to present compelling necessity. So is service menu.

I consider that there is pros and cons related to those things. Each person can judge for themselves based on their usage to decide if they want to pick one way or the other.
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I understand where you're coming from but with the exception of office all of my apps are in cocoa. It may be only 5% that isn't written in cocoa but that 5% is noticeable and sometimes very irritating.

Keychains is kind of important when it relates to the iphone. In OS 3.0 there will be keychain support. I'm OK with bookmarks because I use foxmarks to sync safari and firefox as I do use both.

Firefox is a great browser and in many a way better than safari. I would never tell anybody to steer clear of it. It's just every time I try to switch to firefox, I always end up coming back to safari. If firefox felt more native, I would switch over in a heartbeat. I'm hoping that they complete the transition to full support for the mac in firefox 4.
 
Safari 4. I got rid of the tabs-at-the-top (which suck big time) and I love it. Occasionally, Safari 3 would have trouble opening a long, encoded url. I haven't noticed this at all with 4.

I used to love Firefox when I used Windows - and of course, it's a great browser and a whole hell of a lot better than IE of any variety, but once I began using Safari, Firefox just feels a bit clunky to me. I never had add-ons, so the power Firefox offers for third-party development never pulled me in.
 
allan.nyholm said:
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My Safari is already pumped up with ... Greasekit. I don't need Firefox for any of the extensions. Safari has got me covered.
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Is this true for Safari 4? I used GreaseKit in Safari 3 and found it to be okay. However, the bugginess of SIMBL in general was causing frequent beachballs and crashes, so I am hoping that whatever GreaseMonkey like feature that Safari 4 receives will use something other than SIMBL. Too bad Safari doesn't really support an add-on infrastructure like what Firefox does...
 
creon said:
Here is my two cents:

Firefox does not support the Gestures on my Macbook...


I cant swipe to go back or forward...


Yet, some sites have a hatred for Safari, so i always have Firefox installed if that occasion should occur.
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Lack of gesture support is the deal breaker for me and firefox.
 
I have totally switched over to Safari 4 Beta on my iMac and at work on PC.

My main reasons are:
-RSS management (prefer Safari)
-Resource usage (Safari seems to be better with resources)
-Acid3 Compliance (Safari get's 100%)
-Adblocking (Safari has that too)
-Clean and simple UI (Firefox doesn't look right on Mac for me)
and my last reason:
-Safari works on every site I visit, why have two browsers installed when 1 does the job ;)
 
mikeinternet said:
Lack of gesture support is the deal breaker for me and firefox.
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for me, when I think about it more, gesture is a big deal breaker for me and safari. i am quite addicted to firegesture to operate the browser with my mice.

btw, 3,1beta3 support trackpad gestures, actually it supports more gestures than safari now.
MacAndy74 said:
I have totally switched over to Safari 4 Beta on my iMac and at work on PC.

My main reasons are:
-RSS management (prefer Safari)
-Resource usage (Safari seems to be better with resources)
-Acid3 Compliance (Safari get's 100%)
-Adblocking (Safari has that too)
-Clean and simple UI (Firefox doesn't look right on Mac for me)
and my last reason:
-Safari works on every site I visit, why have two browsers installed when 1 does the job ;)
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first time I see anyone praises safari'4 resource usage...
 
clevin said:
for me, when I think about it more, gesture is a big deal breaker for me and safari. i am quite addicted to firegesture to operate the browser with my mice.

btw, 3,1beta3 support trackpad gestures, actually it supports more gestures than safari now.
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What the heck are "mouse/trackpad gestures" anyway? I never used them - in fact I've never had a Mac that supported them out of the box.
 
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