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I’m not making a judgement on one side or the other but quality of SSD and RAM (clock speed) probably need to be considered in this comparison.

I’m not saying Apple is definitively using higher quality components but they may be using higher quality components.
Apple doesn't generally use higher quality RAM or storage chips than Windows OEM's.
 
Hold on now, we’ve been over this. When using the Windows Media Creation Tool, how long does it take to download and create the flash drive? At least an hour.
How on earth would it take at least an hour? That's ridiculous.
Even when I use a slow USB 2.0 drive it doesn't take more than 8 minutes to write a Windows image with Media Creation Tool.
 
How on earth would it take at least an hour? That's ridiculous.
Even when I use a slow USB 2.0 drive it doesn't take more than 8 minutes to write a Windows image with Media Creation Tool.
The download portion takes a bit, then the writing with the stick generic tool takes 30-40 minutes.

I could take shortcuts, but I’m giving a direct comparison to what that facetious poster was doing for the Mac re-image.

Yes I could just burn the ISO to a flash drive in way less time, but that poster was talking about how it takes “half a day” to download the MacOS installer, write it to a drive, then image a Mac.

I gave him the equivalent process with downloading the Windows Media Creation tool, and using it to download and set up the flash drive. I do it several times a month (because I lose drives or reformat them constantly). It’s quicker than the equivalent on the Mac, but not by hours like that poster stated.

Hopefully that clarifies what I was describing?
 
No, that argument has been debunked. Apple are just being cheap and screwing us over...end of!
Shplock... You have been beating a dead horse for no reason.... How about you move on and buy a windows machine. The toxic environment of Apple is ripping us all off and bs found in so many posts is really getting old on a site for Apple fans.
 
this laptop despite looking nice is a pass ... when someone is okay with 8/256GB they rather choose the M1 Air ...

with 16/512GB the price is not that far from base 14" Pro, which is better in every way

Looks like someone forgot about size, weight, portability, battery life, and color options.
 
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When spec'd with the same RAM/storage, the price difference from Air to 14" Pro seems to be 10-15%. Seems like a no-brainer unless you desperately need a thinner lighter machine. For the extra small bump in price you get a whole lot more computer.
A lot of people on the forum are saying get the 14" over the M2 Air but, there are a lot of people who don't need all the ports and other features of the 14". Why pay for features one isn't going to use just to say you got more bang for the tech buck? That argument doesn't make sense.
 
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A lot of people on the forum are saying get the 14" over the M2 Air but, there ere a lot of people who don't need all the ports and other features of the 14". Why pay for features one isn't going to use just to say you got more bang for the tech buck? That argument doesn't make sense.

Exactly! First off, I want something portable for travel. Second, I use a monitor, mouse & keyboard, and dock at my desk at home. Because of that, the built in ports, screen, and speakers are all but useless to me. The only real advantage for my work flow would be the ssd speeds and fans, but I’m no power user so there is 0 point of me shelling out the extra money for a brick with better features, simply because people deem it “better value”.
 
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Current Prices in Germany
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M2 MBP 13" 16/512 / M2 Air 16/512 / M1 MBP 14" 16/512
 
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Fastest EVER Geekbench single core numbers from a Mac, and folks are like "Nothing to see here really. This is what we've been expecting." Those folks don't understand processor development, thermals, or how to manage expectations.

Insanity. Absolutely nuts. For single core operations, my fully loaded 16-inch MacBooks Pro hits a single core score of 1794.

MacBook Air - no fan, limited thermal envelope, and this is the fastest ever.

Sure, synthetic benchmarks have limited usefulness and don't accurately model everyone's workflow, but I think folks have become incredibly jaded. Apple Silicon is absolutely amazing. The MacBook Air M2 is poised to be the killer Mac. Small, lightweight, long battery life, silent, and more than enough computing power for the majority of users.
 
Anyone knew there is a benchmark on dense matrix multiplication in numpy? or any BLAS/Lapack benchmark.
 
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