nichos said:
Why would they want to? They already make Virtual PC for Mac OS X. Why not just sell Windows XP for Mac Users. They make the same amount of money and more people will want it becuase its the real Windows and not a converted version.
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Why would they want to? They already make Virtual PC for Mac OS X. Why not just sell Windows XP for Mac Users. They make the same amount of money and more people will want it becuase its the real Windows and not a converted version.
oh please please please PLEASE don't tell me that the next gen macs will be run-of-the-mill PC's with apple logo's. i was really hoping apple would do something cool with it instead of copping out like that...although it is only a developer's preview, so HOPEFULLY the production model's won't be like that.
candan9019 said:
If you weren't there, head over to www.apple.com/developer and watch Steve's keynote speech. Its about an hour long but really is enjoyable to watch. Made me want to switch to Macs instantly. Still want a mac mini at some point soon but think I'll wait for the Intel switch right now since I've just invested silly amounts in a 3ghz Athlon 64 system. Had Apple already have had a decent system with SLI out with Intel then I probably would be using Tiger by now.
Oh how I wish for Tiger. But anyway, seriously, watch the Keynote, makes you want to stand up and salute Steve Jobs, become a developer and throw any pc hardware you own out the window. Awesome.
Phil
mvc said:Hey iGary, stop suppressing it, just let that vomit come out once and for all, you'll feel much better once the PPC kool-aid is out of your system and then you can be assimilated just like the rest of us!
But I don't wanna.
I want my blue logic board back.
Space at last
Even if they make the case smaller it looks like there will be enough space to put a few extra hard drives without resorting to third party hacks.
Though I hope they will keep the size and allow more expansion options . At least for a High-end Pro machine.
I work with Hi-Res After Effects film files and HD video, I'd love to have a medium sized raid inside the machine 4 drives and one for the system.
Kinda like the old 9600, ahhh those were the days.
mdr
Even if they make the case smaller it looks like there will be enough space to put a few extra hard drives without resorting to third party hacks.
Though I hope they will keep the size and allow more expansion options . At least for a High-end Pro machine.
I work with Hi-Res After Effects film files and HD video, I'd love to have a medium sized raid inside the machine 4 drives and one for the system.
Kinda like the old 9600, ahhh those were the days.
mdr
iGary said:
I will be right behind you.. except a 20inch iMac G5 (trys to look like a badass)
But im not pissed about the change. I just want to switch before PPC goes so I can say I came before intel. (just want to, may sound weird)
Hey, could someone answer this question for me?
If you have Windows on a partition and OS X on another, what will the situation be with virus's and all the other Windows problems? Will the Windows issues affect the OS X partition at all? If XP goes nutso, will you Mac booting or its system? Please pardon my ignorance on the specifics of this subject.
If you have Windows on a partition and OS X on another, what will the situation be with virus's and all the other Windows problems? Will the Windows issues affect the OS X partition at all? If XP goes nutso, will you Mac booting or its system? Please pardon my ignorance on the specifics of this subject.
Anyone planning on getting a mactel, should start reading more on PC hardware websites so that they will know what they are getting in the future, and understand it better.
That is the lowest end intel chipset in intel's line, it is the same thing that Dell puts into their lowest end intel PCs! that is why it only cost $999.
Intel will make a custom chipset for them but not a motherboard, all generic intel boards are made by Foxconn. If i was apple i would be looking towards DFI, MSI, or ASUS motherboard makers which make some in creditable motherboards with lots of custom goodies. Also i would be calling up nvidia asking them if they can develop an intel chipset for the mac(which they already do for the PCs) becuase atm they are the BEST and highest quailty motherboards around Specially the nforce4, nothing can touch it.
That is what i would do.
That is the lowest end intel chipset in intel's line, it is the same thing that Dell puts into their lowest end intel PCs! that is why it only cost $999.
Intel will make a custom chipset for them but not a motherboard, all generic intel boards are made by Foxconn. If i was apple i would be looking towards DFI, MSI, or ASUS motherboard makers which make some in creditable motherboards with lots of custom goodies. Also i would be calling up nvidia asking them if they can develop an intel chipset for the mac(which they already do for the PCs) becuase atm they are the BEST and highest quailty motherboards around Specially the nforce4, nothing can touch it.
That is what i would do.
IBSNOWEDIN said:
Most likely, Apple will continue to make their own motherboards and they will probably stick with Intel for the chipsets. My bet on the BIOS side will be that they will probably license an existing BIOS and modify it heavily to support the kind of things that Mac users expect (Firewire Target mode, network boot, hold down C to boot off CD, etc, etc).
This raises a question I have been running around in my head for a while. A pointless question but one I want answeared none the less. Will the new boards be green or remain blue. I know no one knows but do all boards HAVE to be green. I had no idea how sick I am of green boards until I saw the inside of a Powermac for the first time with lucious blue boards *drool*.iGary said:
If you have the ability to dual boot and get 1,001 viruses on Windows you will have 0 on OSX. No matter if its seperate hard drives or partitioned or anything else. They are two totally seperate beasts, viruses don't work the same on OSX as it does on Windows. The virus would have to be written for OSX, not just Windows.Plymouthbreezer said:
So in other words anything bad that happens to Windows should not affect OSX in the least.
Thank you. I figured as much so, but it's juts been something I've been leery of and haven't hear much about.Dr. Dastardly said:
Dr. Dastardly said:
Actually, the thinking goes like this, if you boot into Windows, and Windows has read/write access to the OS X partition/drive, and access to the hardware, then the virus does as well. So if it's the kind of virus that goes havoc on your HD... OS X won't be exempt, since it's Windows that's running the virus, not OS X. If the virus decides to goes for the neck and kill the hardware, then OS X will be defenseless since it's Windows that's running the virus.
This cannot happen in Virtual PC because Windows has no access to the hardware, and because it's being run in a sort of a quarantine, in it's own "world" on the HD. It cannot access the OS X drive as a whole.
IBSNOWEDIN said:
Actually Foxconn makes all of Apple's motherboards also as I remember. It would be stupid for Apple to still develop there own chipsets when they can have Intel do it for much less money. The cool thing here is that it should be no problem for Apple to have a chipset supporting PCI-express,PCI-X,Gb ethernet, SATA RAID(4channels), Firewire 800/400,USB2(6ports)and 5.1 digital audio all in the chipset
Note: The photos, which were at formymac.com, are no longer there. Instead, it says "Photo removed... just in case."Macrumors said:
Microsoft sells Virtual PC for Windows...
You mean destroy market for "Virtual PC for Mac" - in fact both VMware and Virtual PC makes lots of money running Windows virtual machines inside of Windows.
geerlingguy said:
You mean destroy market for "Virtual PC for Mac" - in fact both VMware and Virtual PC makes lots of money running Windows virtual machines inside of Windows.
Funny that you would only hear complain about the "look" of a DEVELOPER box on a Mac site. How does the thing perform? Thats the question.
Mac on Intel likely won't result in ANY increase in market share. You run a UNIX system, akin to LINUX, but, you are destined to pay thru the nose for the hardware.
Macs still don't play so nice with NTFS shares, so even if a decent $800 price point could be established for a Intel system (Which, considering the gouging Apple uses when selling iPods/accessories, we will never see), I can't see corporate offices switching to Mac.
On that note, why does Apple have to ask for developer's support to "complete" the transition, then charge $1000 to developers already paying hefty fees to Apple for development packages just to get hands on a development box for a year?
What's next Apple? 1cent charge for every 30s song sampled on iTMS?
I also think this Windows dual boot, and working with the Mac OS is overblown:
1. You will likely need a separate paritition to house Windows to Dual Boot (Akin to multibooting DOS/Win3.1/95/98/NT/2000/Linux on one box.)
2. Reboots are a royal pain
3. Windows running from within Mac will require some sort of emulation. There will be a performance hit, and I expect apps that take advantage of DirectX or OpenGL will not work properly within a Window.
For those needing both systems, or working in QA, you should already be comfortable using VNC, RDP, or VirtualPC (On Windows). It's a much more effective and quicker solution. Whomever commented on the confusing user experience going from one OS to another needs to get out more.
Mac on Intel likely won't result in ANY increase in market share. You run a UNIX system, akin to LINUX, but, you are destined to pay thru the nose for the hardware.
Macs still don't play so nice with NTFS shares, so even if a decent $800 price point could be established for a Intel system (Which, considering the gouging Apple uses when selling iPods/accessories, we will never see), I can't see corporate offices switching to Mac.
On that note, why does Apple have to ask for developer's support to "complete" the transition, then charge $1000 to developers already paying hefty fees to Apple for development packages just to get hands on a development box for a year?
What's next Apple? 1cent charge for every 30s song sampled on iTMS?
I also think this Windows dual boot, and working with the Mac OS is overblown:
1. You will likely need a separate paritition to house Windows to Dual Boot (Akin to multibooting DOS/Win3.1/95/98/NT/2000/Linux on one box.)
2. Reboots are a royal pain
3. Windows running from within Mac will require some sort of emulation. There will be a performance hit, and I expect apps that take advantage of DirectX or OpenGL will not work properly within a Window.
For those needing both systems, or working in QA, you should already be comfortable using VNC, RDP, or VirtualPC (On Windows). It's a much more effective and quicker solution. Whomever commented on the confusing user experience going from one OS to another needs to get out more.
iGary said:
Yes, Apple should spend large amounts of money to make an entirely new case to make a machine which is not intended for developers and not public sale look good.
Why does it look like an HP? Because it is basically a stock intel series 915 Micro ATX board motherboard which has been modified to fit inside a PowerMac G5 case. It is a practical solution to get programs to run on Mactel machines when they are released.
Plymouthbreezer said:
The virus won't know how to deal with the Mac OS X filesystem, so it couldn't do anything to the files. If it mucks with the partition table, or tries to write raw data to the Mac OS X partitions, there might be trouble. I don't know if there's any way to protect from that.
I have no idea what a Windows virus would do to an OS X volume on a firewire drive. I wouldn't be surprised if Windows virii just ignored such things, because they aren't common on Windows machines.
So that might be an option : set up a backup on a firewire disk, or even a RAID mirror.
The safest way to use Windows on an Intel Mac would be to run it inside VMWare or VirtualPC. With those, you can create the Windows volume as a disk image-type thing on your disk. This lets you run Windows in its own sandbox.
Plymouthbreezer said:
Yeah really - But this virus scenario could happen today under Linux, and it hasn't yet. Also, it would be kind of tough for the virus to spread.
Plymouthbreezer said:
As I see it, if Windows is running, a virus can delete or steal files--and those files could be Mac files as easily as anything else. I would NOT dual boot to Windows without UNMOUNTING my Mac drive first! I want my Mac security!
Solution: run Windows in some kind of sandbox (if that's the term)--like we can do now with Virtual PC. The PC doesn't see any folders you haven't explicitly shared. So don't share any important folders with it
I'll be looking for a solution along those lines. I LOVE the peace of mind of OS X security, and I'm not giving that up even if there are Windows apps I might run.