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nagromme said:
As I see it, if Windows is running, a virus can delete or steal files--and those files could be Mac files as easily as anything else.

Since when does Windows read HFS+ disks?

If it can't do that (and it can't) then it can't touch your files. It can touch the partition, but it can't read or alter individual files.
 
SmileyDude said:
Most likely, Apple will continue to make their own motherboards and they will probably stick with Intel for the chipsets. My bet on the BIOS side will be that they will probably license an existing BIOS and modify it heavily to support the kind of things that Mac users expect (Firewire Target mode, network boot, hold down C to boot off CD, etc, etc).


Or Intel's EFI technology which like a blank slate where the computer manufacture programs in there what he wants. Remember, BIOS is IBM technology *shudders*







Did I mention that EFI is not reversengineerable?
 
steeldrivingjon said:
Since when does Windows read HFS+ disks?

If it can't do that (and it can't) then it can't touch your files. It can touch the partition, but it can't read or alter individual files.

True--that would be some measure of safety. I wasn't thinking about the disk format. I don't like the idea of it harming the drive/partition as a whole though! I'd demand total prevention of that--so Windows didn't see the drive at all.

I'd tend to WANT some access to my files, in order for Windows to be useful, though--but in a controlled way. Certain folders.

VPC CAN delete Mac files if you get a virus--but only in the folders you have designated for Windows access.
 
geerlingguy said:
To add to that:

Microsoft could find more legitimate Windows customers by allowing installs on Macs; I know that I would seriously consider purchasing Longhorn to dual-boot on my Mac, simply because my job (computer support for many different people) requires that I have both PC and Mac. That's over $200 to Microsoft right there! But this would *mostly* destroy any market for Virtual PC (however, a few people might like the ability to run many virtual machines...).

Also, while I like to be an idealist, I don't think any of this will put much of a dent in Microsoft's marketshare—at least not for the next 20 years. There are still too many people out there clueless about Macs (but that's why we're around ;)).

Good point; most Windows users purchase the $99 XP Home Upgrade.

Mac users will need to spend $200 for the full Home Edition. M$ will make a double the money off Mac users than they make off PC users.
 
nagromme said:
As I see it, if Windows is running, a virus can delete or steal files--and those files could be Mac files as easily as anything else. I would NOT dual boot to Windows without UNMOUNTING my Mac drive first! I want my Mac security!

Sure, and do you mind explaining how, exactly, Windows--or any Windows programs including viruses--understands the HFS+ filesystem? Magic?

Edit: Oops, already covered....

--Eric
 
nichos said:
The question is, will microsoft make it somehow inpossible to install windows on these machines in the future?

You do understand that Microsoft is a software company who could give a rats ass what kind of hardware their software is running on, don't you?
 
nichos said:
The question is, will microsoft make it somehow inpossible to install windows on these machines in the future?

i doubt it. you'd have to buy a version of windows. that makes bill happy. i don't see why ms would care what box you install windsows on as long as you're installing windows.
 
nichos said:
The question is, will microsoft make it somehow inpossible to install windows on these machines in the future?

why would they want to they dont care what kind of computer you have as long as it has windows on it
 
Are these things dual or multi-processors? I've haven't heard any mention of it. -thanks
 
Wonder Boy said:
i doubt it. you'd have to buy a version of windows. that makes bill happy. i don't see why ms would care what box you install windsows on as long as you're installing windows.

Isnt M$ announced next version of Office and Virtual PC will support new intel macs (without mentioned universal binary) in WWDC?
 
pighuddle said:
Are these things dual or multi-processors? I've haven't heard any mention of it. -thanks

The Intel Developer Macs use a Pentium 4 660 series - which is a single processor, single core, EM64T (64-bit) capable chip.

More info the Pentium 4 660 here...
http://www.intel.com/products/processor_number/info.htm#p4htt

It uses a 945G chipset.
http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/945g/index.htm

As many have pointed out, these are just developer systems and don't necessarily say much about future hardware.

Cheers!
 
iGary said:
But I don't wanna. :p

I want my blue logic board back.


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Price of new PowerMac + $5 for a can of spray paint.
 
I'm surprised.. there aren't many retarded posts as the last such 'rumour' posting ( which is a good thing). This being posts such as:

- its ugly
- its slow
- its a virus portal
- apple will get more than 5% marketshare - I'm elitist and don't want this.


Especially when this is a developer machine and will probably bare little resemblance to the final production Intel Macs. Perhaps people are getting the message that:

Developer Mac Intel != Production Mac Intels

I'm hoping Mac users are being aware of the actual BENEFITS of moving to Intel such as a reliable road map, faster processors than IBM or Moto could provide Apple in the long term - especially in the quantity that apple want.

Here's hoping
 
stephenli said:
Isnt M$ announced next version of Office and Virtual PC will support new intel macs (without mentioned universal binary) in WWDC?


Well with Ms. Ho speaking who knows what was really said.
 
mainstreetmark said:
It's like the first look at your ugly newborn baby, knowing that everyone else is looking at it too, and hoping that one day, it'll shed it's ugliness and evolve into something great.

Sadly though, it won't...The Mac is dead.
 
Where's the Graphics Processor?

Pardon my ignorance. But where is the honking graphics processor? That vid card looks empty doesn't it? And what's that tiny socket where the third PCI slot should be?
 
Multimedia said:
Pardon my ignorance. But where is the honking graphics processor? That vid card looks empty doesn't it? And what's that tiny socket where the third PCI slot should be?

Can't answer the first one (but you are absolutely right about it not being on the card) due to NDA (since no one's figured it out yet), but the answer to the second one is PCI express x1. Interestingly, the PCI express x16 slot appears (though I could be wrong) to only have electrical connections for 8 lanes rather than 16, AFAICT... doesn't matter though... this is, after all, only a developer preview.
 
rendezvouscp said:
That's really encouraging to me that you can't install Mac OS X onto a PC, even at this early development stage. I think that just made my day. :D
-Chase

Oh, I'm sure it will work sooner or later. Somebody will manage to use Darwin as base system and transfer the remaining Mac OS X components. It won't be straight forward, so nothing for casual users, but it will happen.
 
Multimedia said:
Pardon my ignorance. But where is the honking graphics processor? That vid card looks empty doesn't it? And what's that tiny socket where the third PCI slot should be?

The graphics processor is probably on the motherboard in the northbridge chip. (Note the large heatsink without active cooling)
The "Vid Card" is probably only there to provide the hardware to get the DVI output. If you look at some full-up video cards, you'll see that Silicon Image is the company that makes the glue between the GPU and the DVI connector. The card is an OEM "Silicon Image" device.

The tiny socket is probably for a small communications riser card slot for a chipset integrated modem. Many PC motherboards have`em. I forget the acronyms. I actually just threw away one of those types of cards, Different motherboards have different risers. Some provide modem, Ethernet or audio. If you look at directron.com or newegg.com and shop for PC motherboards, you will see these riser card slots, and sometimes you will find the cards to fit them.

I think Apple had a neat approach. On some motherboards, the internal modems were USB. I think that beats taking up the space where a PCI card should go.

EDIT: Someone mentioned PCI-E and I looked at the link to the Intel site with the photos. I had no idea that the PCI-E was so small. Cool. On the photo, you can see PCI-E. No 64 bit PCI-X though. :)
 
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