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First Impressions of Photos for OS X: 'Vast Improvement' Over iPhoto
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Wow.
You seem to be pretty upset by this..?
If you have a product that works for you then great, but why get all worked up about other products that don't fix your needs?
No one is forcing you to use Photos. You didn't even use its predecessor.
And for some reason, I get the idea you are never going to use its successor.
Also for me! I hope photos will be easier in management. I would like also to support nas archive for accessing from the web instead of apple cloud services...
For you on the beta. Is it possible to have a master photo library on an external drive and have an other library on local drive that only use a smaller optimized version of the photos, or like itunes match view the photos directly from the cloud with only a small cache use? I think this works perfect for itunes where i can have all my music on external and access all my files with minimal impact on my local storage space.
Ok, you like LR and don't want to use Photos. Obviously then this product is not for you.
I do not trust iCloud. At all.
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No thanks. I'll pass on Apple and move over to Adobe's Lightroom to meet my photographic software needs. Apple's software is profoundly dumbed down.
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No thanks. I'll pass on Apple and move over to Adobe's Lightroom to meet my photographic software needs. Apple's software is profoundly dumbed down.
Neither do I. I have been through every Apple cloud iteration and none of them have been what would call reliable. I don't think Apple will ever learn how to do this stuff - they should leave it to the experts.
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iCloud is going to drain you of significant cash. Prepare to pay a lot to iCloud.
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Aperture created the entire software category of digital asset management. For many years Apple was the industry leader. Sadly, Apple's lust for more and more profits caused them to completely drop any focus at all on Aperture and they let it languish until it finally became the laughing stock of the industry. Now Adobe is the leader.
For sure, we all know that in 5-7 years, Photos will get abandoned for the next great thing and the whole cycle will repeat itself. Apple simply cannot be trusted with important software.
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Bang on sir! Very well said. Apple's software is today in a very very dismal state. Photos clearly demonstrates that Apple has no interest whatsoever in providing quality software. All Apple is trying to do with these "upgrades" (laughable) is shove iCloud down our throats.
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iCloud is going to drain you of significant cash. Prepare to pay a lot to iCloud.
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Aperture created the entire software category of digital asset management. For many years Apple was the industry leader. Sadly, Apple's lust for more and more profits caused them to completely drop any focus at all on Aperture and they let it languish until it finally became the laughing stock of the industry. Now Adobe is the leader.
For sure, we all know that in 5-7 years, Photos will get abandoned for the next great thing and the whole cycle will repeat itself. Apple simply cannot be trusted with important software.
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Bang on sir! Very well said. Apple's software is today in a very very dismal state. Photos clearly demonstrates that Apple has no interest whatsoever in providing quality software. All Apple is trying to do with these "upgrades" (laughable) is shove iCloud down our throats.
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You've surfaced some great points.
I don't like the company Apple is becoming. Monday's event is a step in the wrong direction. I'm reading blog posts about "oooh how are they going to sell the edition watch, Johnny Ive says he heard someone say they won't buy a watch unless they're standing on carpet!"
http://www.512pixels.net/blog/2015/3/the-watch-and-the-store
Seriously WTF? It sounds like Apple is becoming a playground for executives with way too much money trying to impress their friends. So instead of continuing to support Aperture they're going to worry about how to design a high end watch retrail outlet.
I really can't see what they cut when they decide to start building $80,000 electric cars.
I don't like the company Apple is becoming. Monday's event is a step in the wrong direction. I'm reading blog posts about "oooh how are they going to sell the edition watch, Johnny Ive says he heard someone say they won't buy a watch unless they're standing on carpet!"
http://www.512pixels.net/blog/2015/3/the-watch-and-the-store
Seriously WTF? It sounds like Apple is becoming a playground for executives with way too much money trying to impress their friends. So instead of continuing to support Aperture they're going to worry about how to design a high end watch retrail outlet.
I really can't see what they cut when they decide to start building $80,000 electric cars.
I have a quick question on this.
If the idea is that all your originals are stored in the cloud, and lower res versions are stored on your iPhone (or iPad), how would you go about changing original, higher res photos taken on your iPhone with lower res versions?
If the idea is that all your originals are stored in the cloud, and lower res versions are stored on your iPhone (or iPad), how would you go about changing original, higher res photos taken on your iPhone with lower res versions?
It happens by itself in the background. After you shoot an image on your iPhone, at some point in the future it sends the full size image to iCloud and keeps a device-optimized image on your phone. If you want to edit that image on your phone, when you click 'Edit' the full size version gets downloaded to your device. Once you complete the edits, it gets uploaded back to iCloud and out to all your other devices.
There is a delay between when you shoot an image to when the full size one gets put up to iCloud (some say 2 weeks). I think it is done this way so you have some time to make edits or do something to the full Rez image. If the image isn't touched for a while, it gets uploaded and optimized.
Thanks Mike - I wondered if it did something like that after a set period. Probably just haven't had any new ones that has happened to since getting all set up. Or maybe I have, but have looked at them on the phone, and they only get swapped for low res ones if you haven't looked at them for a set amount of time such as two weeks.
Having just ... finally .. bitten the bullet to convert over from iPhoto to Photos, the latter is just barely adequate for the consumer market, for as long as said "consumer" has less than 500 lifetime photos. Anything more than that and the tool fails miserably.
I test-piloted both Lightroom & Aperture over the years .. and stuck with iPhoto, as it was effective for my workflow and had the rest of Apple's ecosystem (e.g., cards, books, ... iWeb (while it lasted)), plus it was friendly-enough for doing serious retouching in Adobe Photoshop. Needless to say, not anymore.
My last straw was how the transition from iPhoto library to Photos library seems to have had duplicated everything ... and at 2 * 1.1TB --- yes, that's how big my iPhoto library had grown --- I've also found that Time Machine has choked & died, so I'm running right now with no backups.
And no, the cloud ain't a viable backup: feel free to calculate just how many days/weeks/months it would take to upload to the Cloud over a terabyte of data, even if cost was no object.
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as far as I know, library shouldn't be duplicated but referenced. So, Photos library is physical, and iPhoto (old) library is mirrored (but still showing the real size).
I don't know, I've migrated and will probably switch to Photos + Affinity Photo when Aperture dies.
I just wish for a better workflow for external editors with Photos, so you don't have to jump through hoops to edit a photo externally.
Till then, Aperture.
That was my understanding too.
However, things are still wrong with Time Machine: while I'm waiting now for new 6TB drives to ship to replace my current 4TB Time Machine drives, I took one of my 4TB mirrors and wiped it to start a fresh backup. It ran once and has 330GB free, but is now failing on incremental backups (presumably because it thinks that I've made over 330GB in changes over the past week).
Pretty much. Lacking any good workflow provision for an external editor in Photos is downright insulting. So too are the elimination of the 'Stars' tagging. Even though I purposefully waited to avoid the "1.0" shortcomings, it is now six months later and it is still a steaming pile of yet another "Final Cut X" fail.
There's never been a personally owned Windows PC in this household, but that option is looking more & more likely because of negative customer experiences such as this.
-hh
"Vast improvement over iPhoto"??
I have no idea how these reviewers came to such conclusion. Photos improves editing tools but it is seriously lacking when compared iPhoto when it comes to organisation of pictures.
Has it occurred to anyone at Apple that some people actually use things like keywords, ratings and folders for organisation? Apparently not because Photos is seriously lacking in these areas compared to iPhoto...
I had too many problems with Time Machine and I'm looking for alternative at the moment.
Previously I would have never thought about moving away from OS X but if things don't improve I may have no other option. 10.11 isn't doing enough under the hood improvements as I was hoping for...
I have no idea how these reviewers came to such conclusion. Photos improves editing tools but it is seriously lacking when compared iPhoto when it comes to organisation of pictures.
Has it occurred to anyone at Apple that some people actually use things like keywords, ratings and folders for organisation? Apparently not because Photos is seriously lacking in these areas compared to iPhoto...
I had too many problems with Time Machine and I'm looking for alternative at the moment.
Previously I would have never thought about moving away from OS X but if things don't improve I may have no other option. 10.11 isn't doing enough under the hood improvements as I was hoping for...
"Seriously lacking" is being excessively kind on the organization workflow tools.
Everyone's apparently focused on ad-hoc iOS selfies which promptly get shared on Facebook...it will take them a few years to realize that with just a "heart" toggle for culling/prioritizing shots within any sort of portfolio that they'll shortly have the chaos of 1,000 unorganized 'keepers'.
While we're at it, those same developers need to go spend a year on an IP connection that represents how their products work in the marginal bandwidth of the real world, rather than to allow the instant gratification of a high bandwidth connection in a state-of-the-art IT enterprise to masks design sins.
I've yet to find it as useful as its promise; my strategy has been to (in parallel) clone all user data over to a spare drive and then take it offline -- for off-site backups, its usually one copy to the office desk drawer and the second going into the safety deposit box down at the bank.
Its not just the OS: with the abolishment of the tower-style Mac Pro, I need to decide what my next local data repository hardware is to be ... the three options are: (a) Mac w/ two Thunderbolt Promise Pegasus R4/R6 externals; (b) Windows Tower PC; (c) Mac w/locally networked Linux Server (which carries a huge performance hit on merely a GBit Ethernet connection)
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I have been wondering the same thing, at this point it looks like Apple is no longer interested in prosumers or professionals...
I'm using similar methods but I also like to have versioning in case I need to replace a corrupt or malformed document. Previously Time Machine was acceptable for this role but after having problems with it since 10.10 was released I no longer trust it.
Maybe Apple improves its reliability if enough people complain but I am not holding my breath...
Oh, it is a "with a pinched nose" option...but it is still an option.
I've been running Windows at work for a decade, and it hasn't been too horribly bad. I'd make it a point to keep it simple, just make it an Image management platform (preferably off-network too), and keep around a "thin" Mac around for interfacing to the outside world (email, surfing, etc). The main difference is that the revenue going to Apple will drop by around 75% ... instead of a $4-5K Mac Pro, it will be just a $1K Mac laptop (and $3K going into the Windows PC).
I have been wondering the same thing, at this point it looks like Apple is no longer interested in prosumers or professionals...
Oh, it is quite evident that they are not interested. Apple is chasing the iOS fad and while that's been great for revenues, the big question is how is it going to play out over the next decade.
While we equate it to 'insanely great tools' on the Mac, Apple's core businesses really has been to serve and cultivate innovators and creators ... and these are the "influencers" who create the future (and have the fat paychecks/budgets to buy stuff with) ... but with Apple's focus today on consumption, they've left their true core business to wither, despite the corporation having more resources than ever before in its existence.
That too. The software has become far too half-baked over the past five years.
Overall, I'm afraid that the only way that the Mac will become the best platform for creators again ... will be for iOS to catastrophically fail in the marketplace and for Apple to shrink by 70%.
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I don't think iOS has to flat out fail, but I think it's true it would help them notice one thing or another.
And I've thought an option of going for a slim Mac and a beefy Windows PC myself a lot and I might just do that the next time around.
I still have to decide on that.
I believe Apple got way too much into short-term thinking. A lot of the trust and emotions that I've put into the company have been crushed and whilst I wouldn't say they can't earn that trust back, they would have to take a very reflective and acknowledging take on that, something I don't particularly see coming so soon after eradicating Aperture of all their professional softwares, after all their focus on photography.
Guess when Apple starts focusing on something it's a bad sign these days, as they will try to automate and over-simplify and make it more "accessible to everyone" (paraphrasing) and the ones who aren't everyone are the ones who know a thing or two about it and like some control.
How can this company tout the "enabling everyone" horn so much still when they leave a good fraction of "everyone" as crumbs for other companies to pick up.
Hey, I don't need a Mac for Adobe or others.
Also, I believe the quality of OS X applications has gone down considerably as well over recent years, it's not just Apple's own software.
I miss the magic.
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And I've thought an option of going for a slim Mac and a beefy Windows PC myself a lot and I might just do that the next time around.
I still have to decide on that.
I believe Apple got way too much into short-term thinking. A lot of the trust and emotions that I've put into the company have been crushed and whilst I wouldn't say they can't earn that trust back, they would have to take a very reflective and acknowledging take on that, something I don't particularly see coming so soon after eradicating Aperture of all their professional softwares, after all their focus on photography.
Guess when Apple starts focusing on something it's a bad sign these days, as they will try to automate and over-simplify and make it more "accessible to everyone" (paraphrasing) and the ones who aren't everyone are the ones who know a thing or two about it and like some control.
How can this company tout the "enabling everyone" horn so much still when they leave a good fraction of "everyone" as crumbs for other companies to pick up.
Hey, I don't need a Mac for Adobe or others.
Also, I believe the quality of OS X applications has gone down considerably as well over recent years, it's not just Apple's own software.
I miss the magic.
Glassed Silver:mac
Fair enough ... my main point was that Apple needs something to put a good "scare" into them, to refocus.
"...… PCs are going to be like trucks. They’re still going to be around, they’re still going to have a lot of value, but they’re going to be used by one out of X people."
- Steve Jobs, 2010 D8 Conference
- Steve Jobs, 2010 D8 Conference
And to apply the famous 'Trucks' quote, there's always going to be farmers growing new content who need those trucks.
Which is why all of the 'Apple Car' rumors bother me so: it isn't CarPlay but a resource-suck that's just as unlikely to pan out for Apple as it is for Google (and possibly for Tesla too, but for different reasons).
Good point, particularly when one realizes is that the customers that they're abandoning are the influencers of the mainstream...each one influences scores to hundreds on what to buy, why, etc. Ultimately what this really comes down to is not one of 'capability', as the finger-doodling image correction on an iPad is merely a convenience, and not an actually more productive workflow. Even with all the change we've had, the core principles still hold true: from a workflow productivity standpoint, time is money and that requires tools.
EDIT: how timely is this article? (published just last night):
http://architosh.com/2015/09/smelling-blood-hp-pounces-on-apples-pro-mac-market/
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Exactly and wow, that article really came timely.
All of this makes me quite sad.
It'll bite them, professionals have a lot of influence all around, they try to exchange us with celebrities, models and other weird promotions, stuff that "you know who" would have never aspired for.
And just because "you know who" said not to ponder about what he'd do, doesn't make Apple's current actions any less awful.
Apple's always been better as underdog and it's not surprise, many companies are, it's quite obvious why.
But looking at that fact, I'm really wondering why people get such a hard-on for Apple's success.
Yes, I'm glad they are doing fine, yes I'm glad they aren't on the brink of bankruptcy, yes I'm glad they have a lot of money to use wisely for R&D, making sensible purchases and getting into philanthropy more, but what I really don't like is this new focus on profits, holding back your own features and spreading them thin, rushing software out the door, upselling left and right, ...
Apple used to be about a great out-of-the-box experience, but for customers without a desktop computer there isn't even a sensible way to backup their devices.
At the premium they ask for storage in iOS devices and the inability to use something like a Time Capsule or a USB drive to backup to you'd think they offered extra cloud storage for that. Especially as companies like Box, Microsoft, Google, ... are way more generous with their cloud offerings.
And that's sans selling you a high-price piece of hardware.
So for all the people without a Mac or PC it's "pony up the cash" time.
What they gain is little, what they lose is the trust that Apple has the tradition of providing a complete out-of-the-box experience.
I hate to be so cynic about Apple and their little games make me spend much less on their products, because I just don't feel the magic anymore.
My iMac 2011 is the last iMac I feel is a solid model, except of course it has AMD graphics, but I got that sucker replaced, hopefully this GPU will stay strong.
I see more value in adding an SSD than getting a new Mac.
My iPhone 5 is quite mature by now and I'd be ready for a new one, but I'm holding out. At this point I'll just rock it till it dies or isn't compatible with the latest iOS anymore.
My iPad, well, I have an iPad Air and I'm interested in an iPad Pro, but I don't like the dimensions for everyday use.
If they keep the Apple Pen exclusive to the Pro when the next iPads launch it's a wrap and I'll go with the iPad Air 3 likely anyways, because the Adonit Jot Touch is fair enough for note taking, albeit probably not as good as Apple's stylus, but I'm waaaay too tired of upsells and well, I don't want to lug around 13 inches of a TABLET.
Maybe if they gave me an iPad Mini for free for everyday use it'd be a good deal, but of course this will never happen.
Glassed Silver:mac