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First Intel Arrandale (MacBook Pro) Processors Due January 3rd?
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35W are going to make the fans run like little airplanes running all the time.
Now the MBP's can sound like the Airs. Oh joy.
I say that they Apple uses the Low-Voltage models or ULV models. 25W is much more palatable unless Apple throws in free earplugs for the user - and immediate family.
Now the MBP's can sound like the Airs. Oh joy.
I say that they Apple uses the Low-Voltage models or ULV models. 25W is much more palatable unless Apple throws in free earplugs for the user - and immediate family.
Either way whatever the configurations this will be good for consumers, K12 deployments (cheaper Unibody MB), and may pre-order a significant amount to satisfy developers before Q1'10 comes around end of January. Maybe then investors will silent be satisfied on $208+ Share price on the Nasdaq.
Still it'll be sometime before I get in on this joy train. Maybe rev.B.
Still it'll be sometime before I get in on this joy train. Maybe rev.B.
Close but I'd ix that up just a bit.
Yes get rid of the optical drive which is virtually useless. But the arrangement of the drives needs to take into account modern needs. That Modern need is for solid State Storage which right now means Flash.
Now I'm not talking Flash in the same old legacy mechanical format and silly SATA interface. What I want to see in the new laptop is one slot for a conventional high capacity magnetic drive and then slots for at least two Solid State Storage daughter cards. These daughter cards would interface over the latest rev of PCI-Express and one would be supplied with the machine for OS storage and apps storage, user data would go to the rotating media.
The Hope here is that Apple could benefit from the fast SSD for boot and app performance while keeping bulk storage relatively cheap. The thought is that 256 GB of SSD would be enough for most user as far as app storage goes. With data on rotating media the SSD should last a very long time due to being primarily a read only drive. That is apps get install and for the most part you don't see much in the way of change happening on the SSD. This might actually simplify the design of the SSD controller, making the storage both cheaper and faster.
Thanks
Dave
Yes get rid of the optical drive which is virtually useless. But the arrangement of the drives needs to take into account modern needs. That Modern need is for solid State Storage which right now means Flash.
Now I'm not talking Flash in the same old legacy mechanical format and silly SATA interface. What I want to see in the new laptop is one slot for a conventional high capacity magnetic drive and then slots for at least two Solid State Storage daughter cards. These daughter cards would interface over the latest rev of PCI-Express and one would be supplied with the machine for OS storage and apps storage, user data would go to the rotating media.
The Hope here is that Apple could benefit from the fast SSD for boot and app performance while keeping bulk storage relatively cheap. The thought is that 256 GB of SSD would be enough for most user as far as app storage goes. With data on rotating media the SSD should last a very long time due to being primarily a read only drive. That is apps get install and for the most part you don't see much in the way of change happening on the SSD. This might actually simplify the design of the SSD controller, making the storage both cheaper and faster.
Thanks
Dave
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2.40 GHz 2.93 GHz
2.53 GHz 3.07 GHz
2.67 GHz 3.33 GHzTurbos are up to 20%-25%.
Whishlist for the next Macbook Pro 13":
- Arrandale
- Ati 5xxx (codename: Park) (---> it's possible TDP-wise)
- no optical drive, dual HDD bay (---> excellent for HDD+SSD hybrid setups)
- even better battery life (thanks to 32nm cpus)
- NO 16:9 ratio
- NO changes in resolution of any model (13", 15", 17")
Dream:
- IPS panels (it actually happened in a few laptops, IBM I think, a couple of years ago)
- Arrandale
- Ati 5xxx (codename: Park) (---> it's possible TDP-wise)
- no optical drive, dual HDD bay (---> excellent for HDD+SSD hybrid setups)
- even better battery life (thanks to 32nm cpus)
- NO 16:9 ratio
- NO changes in resolution of any model (13", 15", 17")
Dream:
- IPS panels (it actually happened in a few laptops, IBM I think, a couple of years ago)
Actually I think just the opposite.
Arrandale is likely to be used in the lower end hardware. Think about what in integrated into the chip and you will realize that that 35 watts isn't that bad other than being a point load. That is the total power used compared to the older hardware is likely to be lower.
Not that I have hard numbers here but the GPU and hub of old designs do add significantly to the power budget of the low end laptops. It is the overall power budget of the new machine that you need to be concerned with and the cooling of the point load.
As tot he 17" model I would suspect hat Apple would go to a high performance solution. This might or might not be Arrandale as I've heard rumors of Arrandales that come without the built in GPU.
Dave
Arrandale is likely to be used in the lower end hardware. Think about what in integrated into the chip and you will realize that that 35 watts isn't that bad other than being a point load. That is the total power used compared to the older hardware is likely to be lower.
Not that I have hard numbers here but the GPU and hub of old designs do add significantly to the power budget of the low end laptops. It is the overall power budget of the new machine that you need to be concerned with and the cooling of the point load.
As tot he 17" model I would suspect hat Apple would go to a high performance solution. This might or might not be Arrandale as I've heard rumors of Arrandales that come without the built in GPU.
Dave
i like the dvd drive, I travel frequently and its great to be able to grab a dvd to pass the time. I literally do this weekly.
oo saving pennies for a new apple laptop, not sure whether to refresh my air, or save up for 15" powerhouse
If Apple are as serious and concerned about the environments as they say they are - they should skip the 35W design.
Yes, quad core mobile Core i7 laptops are here or almost here (said to ship in November, I haven't seen any confirmation that they're readily available).
These use the Clarksfield45nm mobile Core i7 CPU.
Arrandale is a 32nm dual core part.
So yes, the Windows Core i7 mobile chips are different from the upcoming chip. The HP Envy (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/11/16/review_laptop_hp_envy_15/) is one such system.
My Guess is it means nothing initially, but...
The qualification here is that Apple might go with a low speed Arandale if the over all power budget is lower. However it doesn't look like Intel will initially release a the low power models. As to AIR I'd cancel anyways but that is me, I really don't think much of that model. Apple could redeem themselves with an overhauled AIR or they could simply cancel the unit outright.
Dave
The qualification here is that Apple might go with a low speed Arandale if the over all power budget is lower. However it doesn't look like Intel will initially release a the low power models. As to AIR I'd cancel anyways but that is me, I really don't think much of that model. Apple could redeem themselves with an overhauled AIR or they could simply cancel the unit outright.
Dave
Specifically I was meaning the laptop segment... these Arrandale CPUs are kind of pathetic. Intel has locked NVidia out of making IGPs for these new chips. If AMD's Fusion is any good, it could take significant laptop marketshare away from Intel. AMD's current Caspian CPUs aren't terrible.
256GB SSD would double the price to the OEM.
With 500GB drives @ $70 retail Apple will be using HDD for a while.
You can always drop in your own SATA solution (AFAIK, there's no standard PCI daughtercard interface for SSD)
With 500GB drives @ $70 retail Apple will be using HDD for a while.
You can always drop in your own SATA solution (AFAIK, there's no standard PCI daughtercard interface for SSD)
users can always fallback to 1280x800, it's not like apple would take that setting out...
According to Gizmodo review, that Envy 15" has 1h20m of battery life....
It's still too early to see quad cores on a Macbook Pro. The current 45nm Clarksfield quad cores are too HOT.
Let's wait the 32nm quad cores (H2 2010?).
In the mean time, 32nm dual core (quad thread with HT) are good....and don't kill the battery life....
I like the Air except that the RAM is limited... If the Air had upgradable RAM I likely would have bought one last time. The other limitations of Air don't effect me.
Just ordered a 13" MBP 2.53ghz w/ 4gb, 250gb for $1300 AR w/ free printer and WMware fusion at Macconnection. Really wondering if I should cancel this order. Been debating because of the new chips in January. Wont really be needing a laptop the whole month of January anyways.
What I am concerned with is, has any of the past updates upped the ram and hd space? Would really like to see a better graphics card, but I any speculation on whether 4gb of ram and 250gb hd will be standard?
I really want to get in on the entry level price point on the MBP just wondering what other people are speculating. Right now at $1300 I get a lot of the extras basically topping out the current MBP 13" for 200 less than retail.
What I am concerned with is, has any of the past updates upped the ram and hd space? Would really like to see a better graphics card, but I any speculation on whether 4gb of ram and 250gb hd will be standard?
I really want to get in on the entry level price point on the MBP just wondering what other people are speculating. Right now at $1300 I get a lot of the extras basically topping out the current MBP 13" for 200 less than retail.
But lets say I have a 3GHz C2D, is it that much better to have a 2.6GHz i5 when the TB is only giving you .3GHz when the other pipe is free (which is prolly never?). I'm only nick-picking because I'm sure they are going to charge a lot for these new machines and I don't see the big improvement like with the iMac's.
i7 720QM is Clarksfiled, not Arrandale.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Nehalem_(microarchitecture) for details.
BTW... no quad, no deal for me.
It is a brand new architecture!!!!!!!!
I'm not sure what you are missing here but these new CPU's should offer a significant improvement in the same way that the architecture did on the iMacs. In any event read up on i5 & i7 and what they bring to the table.
dave
I'm not sure what you are missing here but these new CPU's should offer a significant improvement in the same way that the architecture did on the iMacs. In any event read up on i5 & i7 and what they bring to the table.
dave
Arrandale performs better (at least 10% I think) than Penryn at the same clock speed and that's before throwing Turbo Boost and Hyper-Threading in.