I don't get the need for MMS messaging. A simple e-mail solves that. And if AT&T were smart, it would just fowarded all incoming MMS messages to your e-mail address.
I am sure Apple thought of this.
Problem solved.
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First iPhone Review from Walt Mossberg
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I don't get the need for MMS messaging. A simple e-mail solves that. And if AT&T were smart, it would just fowarded all incoming MMS messages to your e-mail address.
I am sure Apple thought of this.
Problem solved.
not really.
i work in a law firm so my opinions about law should always be held as a general standard?
Lepton
macrumors 6502a
I think AT&T's new improved EDGE is supposed to give us something like a max of 10K/sec real-world. That's about 2x dialup.
You'll notice in the iTunes Store Terms of Service, it specifically forbids songs being used as ringtones. I think there is just some legal problem here. I'm sure they will be happy to sell you separate ringtones, but then everyone will bitch about having to rebuy the songs. I think the record labels might be most to blame for this and Apple just said "screw it, it's all messed up. Just forget it." I think they're going to leave it to AT&T to rape us for ringtones and just wash their hands of it. I'm hoping there will be some clever workaround in the future that won't piss of the labels (like you can add any uprotected AAC file as a ringtone, and if that file just happens to be a song...)
I posted some EDGE speeds in another thread...
But i'll do some more tests in the next half hour and post them here for ya.
These will be from a MacbookPro, running, i'll use 10.4 instead of 10.5 this time, off a tethered Blackjack locked on the EDGE band. All Caches will be emptied (Like, from the drive itself; Safari will be forced to make a new folder in the caches dir(s)).
I don't cheat 🙂
Typically, its about 24KBytes per second. I'm gonna try yahoo's page since The Poguemieser found that one to be painful.
I won't even turn off flash...but i know they have a lot of "junk" on that fning portal page 🙂
But i'll do some more tests in the next half hour and post them here for ya.
These will be from a MacbookPro, running, i'll use 10.4 instead of 10.5 this time, off a tethered Blackjack locked on the EDGE band. All Caches will be emptied (Like, from the drive itself; Safari will be forced to make a new folder in the caches dir(s)).
I don't cheat 🙂
Typically, its about 24KBytes per second. I'm gonna try yahoo's page since The Poguemieser found that one to be painful.
I won't even turn off flash...but i know they have a lot of "junk" on that fning portal page 🙂
hmmm
both reviews show text input with one finger wheres the multi touch crap in action?
and keyboard in landscape, where are you?
both reviews show text input with one finger wheres the multi touch crap in action?
and keyboard in landscape, where are you?
You told me a lot about yourself by noting you work in a law firm. You know a lot about me by noting I do music reviews and commentary. Psychology principles + statistics = predictive power. Opinion didn't even come into play.
But Good Charlotte really do suck 😉
puckhead193
macrumors G3
Thanks. I know its a phone first and web/email second but i would like to know about how fast it would take to load a page. I have to see if i should wait for a rev B.
i do agree good charlotte sucks hahaha. But of coruse that's my opinion. And we have a wide range of personalities here in the office =P
lameness
I smell Apple PR intervention. This review sounded like a press release.
I will wait until some more reliable, less affected reviews come out.
- sample photos the camera took (edit: scratch that)
- call clarity and quality
- can it be tethered
- more details about people with existing ATT data plans; i.e., do you HAVE to have the iPhone data plan or can ya have a PDA plan
- how well the speaker works
- etc
Saturday will be dedicated to YouTube. I want to know what everyone REALLY thinks after spending hard earned dosh on it.
I smell Apple PR intervention. This review sounded like a press release.
I will wait until some more reliable, less affected reviews come out.
- sample photos the camera took (edit: scratch that)
- call clarity and quality
- can it be tethered
- more details about people with existing ATT data plans; i.e., do you HAVE to have the iPhone data plan or can ya have a PDA plan
- how well the speaker works
- etc
Saturday will be dedicated to YouTube. I want to know what everyone REALLY thinks after spending hard earned dosh on it.
So PM me then... I won't tell on you. If you say ridiculous things or try to make mountains of molehills I'm goint to point it out. You don't get a free pass.
You make valid points: there are things the iPhone doesn't do. It's just impling that these things completely invalidate the iPhone is ridiculous... like saying the iPod is worthless because it lacks DivX support or something like that.
Totally agree.
The reviews look ok so far, the iPhone isn't brilliant but it's not rubbish either, not bad for a first attempt.
Hopefully, the niggles will all be sorted before it's released over here 😀
I tether with my Macbook pretty often and I average around 20-25 kilobytes/sec. With dial up I used to get maybe 5 kilobytes/sec so for me, it's 4x to 5x faster. I don't mind.
I'm sure 3g is faster but I'm OK with EDGE.
What most people don't realize often is that sometimes if you're out of EDGE coverage you'll fall back into GPRS which is dial up speeds. Luckily, I'm mostly blanketed by EDGE so I can squeak by on 20-25kb/sec instead of 5kb/sec.
Porco
macrumors 68040
Generally I think the iPhone looks fantastic. I think the apps being Web 2.0 only is not as big an issue as some seem to think it is, and all the multi-touch stuff is great. I think I am a natural iPhone lover, many things about mobile phones have driven me crazy for years - design, UI issues, responsiveness etc. Being in the UK it remains to be seen if we'll get a very similar model or a newer, 3G iPhone version 2, but anyway...
Concerns I have (sorry if I missed anything):
1) Vibrate function? Haven't seen it mentioned. Please tell me it's there.
2) Ringtones - The think the handling of these is really big issue. I'm sure it'll be possible to hack my own onto it if Apple don't provide a proper option for it, but if I can add my own MP3s and AACs on a SONYericsson phone I can't see why I couldn't on an Apple phone. It's not so much just about the ringtones themselves, rather I think it's a feature that many will see as a benchmark of how a good a phone it is before knowing much else about it. Not being able to use your songs or at the very least add your own screams 'corporate control' in the worst possible way, because we all know there is no technical reason to lack this capability. I personally, will never, ever, buy a ri[p-off]ngtone and if that's the direction Apple is going with that then it really sours the whole buzz about the product for me a little.
3) Video + audio recording. It has a microphone and a camera - There's no reason not to do these two things.
4) Flash. It needs it, or it isn't my internet experience on a phone, it's exactly the sorta kinda internet they said it wasn't.
As you can see, only point 1) is a hardware issue, I think the other three are political/commercial decisions that can be fixed in software easily. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what happens, I think Apple will sell millions of the things regardless.
Concerns I have (sorry if I missed anything):
1) Vibrate function? Haven't seen it mentioned. Please tell me it's there.
2) Ringtones - The think the handling of these is really big issue. I'm sure it'll be possible to hack my own onto it if Apple don't provide a proper option for it, but if I can add my own MP3s and AACs on a SONYericsson phone I can't see why I couldn't on an Apple phone. It's not so much just about the ringtones themselves, rather I think it's a feature that many will see as a benchmark of how a good a phone it is before knowing much else about it. Not being able to use your songs or at the very least add your own screams 'corporate control' in the worst possible way, because we all know there is no technical reason to lack this capability. I personally, will never, ever, buy a ri[p-off]ngtone and if that's the direction Apple is going with that then it really sours the whole buzz about the product for me a little.
3) Video + audio recording. It has a microphone and a camera - There's no reason not to do these two things.
4) Flash. It needs it, or it isn't my internet experience on a phone, it's exactly the sorta kinda internet they said it wasn't.
As you can see, only point 1) is a hardware issue, I think the other three are political/commercial decisions that can be fixed in software easily. Anyway, it'll be interesting to see what happens, I think Apple will sell millions of the things regardless.
why do people need MMS? Its a very limited technology.
You can just use email, every phone has an email address, so send whatever multimedia stuff to that address from the iphone.
You can just use email, every phone has an email address, so send whatever multimedia stuff to that address from the iphone.
Digital Skunk
macrumors G3
If DivX was standard on all mp3 players and Apple jumped in the market after 20+ years and charged $500 for the first iPod the it would be.
Sorry about the attitude, I won't PM. The big problem with justifying the iPhone's limitations is that most don't look at it in context. The device was wonderful when if first came out... I was a month away from my service contract being up with Sprint. But as the details came I decided to renew. There wasn't much that would compel me to get an iPhone.
Now that the cat is out of the bag it is a bit more limiting then it was 6 months ago. The next few iPhones will fix many of the issues but I just don't think (as a die hard Apple FanBoy) that this phone is a good representation of Apple's innovation. The UI is where it is at. But the phone is just a phone with some good additions that were only made possible with the touchscreen UI.
I know that the iPhone is a big gamble on the Apple brand name but that should mean that pushing back Leopard, iMac updates, MacMini updates, DotMac updates, MacPro updates, a possible and much desired mini tower...
Not that we need these things all at once, but many people (especially the ones not getting the iPhone) still use Apple's other products. Now that the entire industry has it's eyes on the iPhone it better not fail... then I won't see OS X.6.
Basically... the iPhone is nice... it will be even nicer after the next revision. The phone industry is now forced to make better looking interfaces and UI's which is much needed in the stagnating cell phone UI industry. They can't give us crap anymore which is good, and why I am mad at Palm for not updating after many many years of an outdated OS that mimics the 10 year old Palm V.
BUT
That doesn't mean the iPhone is perfect or that Apple's method of distribution of the iPhone is the best method. Once people realize that, then Apple can make a better phone and other products. If no one speaks the truth then the cell phone market will turn up like the MP3 market... lead by the iPod and stagnating.
Porco
macrumors 68040
yep, just read so in another review and came back to edit my last post... thanks 🙂
So, just a few software issues for me, lovely. Well that and which network / price plans they go with in the UK.
MrCrowbar
macrumors 68020
There's a ringtone tab in iTunes when syncing the iPhone. So I guess you could purchase them from the iTunes store or kinda infiltrate your own files in there. Playing a complete song from your library is stupid:
- Imagine you're listening to your iPhone (iPod feature) and it's ringing. It will sound just like it was crossfading to another song... chances are you would miss the call even when you hear the ringtone.
- Usually, a ringtone is just a part of the chorus of a song, played in a loop. If it plays the intro of any song, you won't perceive it as a ringtone.
- Don't you hate it when other people's phones start playing stupid music and they wait for the "good part" of the song before taking the call? It's extremely annoying in the office or public transportation. I think normal ringtones are much better. I prefer the default nokia tune over some 50cent ...music.
The ringtones suck big time on that phone tho... the default one is ok. I hope there's an old school ones that sounds like a ringing phone. 😛
I'm still laughing....
Now that was funny.
I must say as I've read macrumors for the past year or so I'm beginning to wonder more and more...what is the main demographic of people that are on this site? Is it mostly teenagers who want the "cool factor" of the apple products? Or are there still some adults who can make educated decisions about products without being swayed by "the ringtone factor"?
Now that was funny.
I must say as I've read macrumors for the past year or so I'm beginning to wonder more and more...what is the main demographic of people that are on this site? Is it mostly teenagers who want the "cool factor" of the apple products? Or are there still some adults who can make educated decisions about products without being swayed by "the ringtone factor"?
Europe?
Why are we even talking about European "standards?" They will certainly come in due course, though if I were running Apple I would hardly be bothered. Europe has been a pain in the neck for Apple. You gotta have 3G, you gotta have this and that? Really? It's important to get this thing off the ground in the US, then worry- if that is even worth the energy-- about pleasing the Europeans, a task hardly accomplishable since you have to give 'em so much free stuff, it has to be more than cutting edge and oh! SO un-American in order to be even considered for adoption. Really!
Oh! and we are getting three iPhones on Friday--- doing our bit for Apple locally, I am proud to say.
Why are we even talking about European "standards?" They will certainly come in due course, though if I were running Apple I would hardly be bothered. Europe has been a pain in the neck for Apple. You gotta have 3G, you gotta have this and that? Really? It's important to get this thing off the ground in the US, then worry- if that is even worth the energy-- about pleasing the Europeans, a task hardly accomplishable since you have to give 'em so much free stuff, it has to be more than cutting edge and oh! SO un-American in order to be even considered for adoption. Really!
Oh! and we are getting three iPhones on Friday--- doing our bit for Apple locally, I am proud to say.
korndog2003
macrumors regular
ewww you cant take videos and you cant use your music for ring tones, glad I dont have the money to wast on this. Lol the razr v3i can do the same stuff except for the screen, and the touch and the nice web browser the iphone has...
No ringtones?
I don't even like having any ringtone, just vibrate, but let me tell you this:
No custom ringtones?
I don't even like having any ringtone, just vibrate, but let me tell you this:
No custom ringtones?