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no flippin kidding. every where i go now i'm inundated with people's ****** taste in music! at least for the moment the iphone won't be an offender of this travesty... so listen you 40 year-old, midlifed crisis moms -- having ac/dc's 'back in black' on your cell phone is not fun and trendy, it's as pathetic as your fake tan and botox, and you lame white kids co-opting black youth culture, having 'this is why i'm hot' does not make you 'street'.

that's one of the reasons i have an ipod so i don't have to listen to anyone else's crappy taste in music, i get to listen to my crappy taste in music.

You hit the nail on the head!!

I won't be buying the iPhone for what I feel is a good reason; Cingular/AT&T. Man, talk about the worst network in the world. I was soooo happy to hear my company switched their phone carrier standards from Cingular/AT&T to T-Mobile. I am now using a Dash that runs windows mobile and I CAN'T STAND Window. However, it is leaps and bounds better than being on that network. At the time, I could only be on the phone in one small corner of my house. Seeing my phone go from 4 bars to 1 without moving was just a sign of how terrible it is. Now that I am on T-Mobile, I get a minimum of 3 bars throughout my house consistently. When my company asked for recommendations from us for phones, I couldn't recommend an iPhone for this reason. Apple has got to get more carriers ASAP!! If what I have read about 2 year exclusive rights to AT&T is true, that is just disappointing.
 
Actually...there is one teeensy problem...

Excellent post! For those whom aren't smart enough to understand---he was being sarcastic. Yeah the iPhone isn't perfect, but it is a revolution of today. Do you want to be part of it or not? It's up to you. I sure do!

...i have with the phone...because it is more stupid than every other problem combined.

I'll still get it, because it is a software limitation and as such can be fixed, but its real, real, real stupid:

It appears that while the phone's bluetoothy-ness is 2.0+ Enhanced Data Rate...it doesn't do Stereo Bluetooth audio, according to the USA Today reviewer.

OS X 10.4.x doesn't either mind you...but apple has an OS that does and i'll be damned if I know why they didn't backport this.

Apple. C'mon. Guys. Seriously. Get that into like 1.0.1, please.

kthx
 
There are two things I want added to iPhone "immediately" based on this review.

1. Video capture both at 640x480 AND at FULL 2mp resolution (and be able to send the files to your server).

2. Copy and paste, OR, send selection to server.

Rocketman

God bless RnSK on the speed tests.
iPhone (ATN) is above all else the real internet on an actual mobile basis.
 
If you recall the original Steve Jobs Demo of the iPhone, there was a Ringtone tab in iTunes. This lead to lots of speculation at the time.

Expect to see an iTunes update when the iPhone is released and hopefully this little issue will be addressed then.

Here's hoping.:D

Furthermore there was an article on macrumors about two years ago (or more) about Apple "doing ring tones". Perhaps they were good to go way back then. The argument against it was the low price point thus the transaction cost. But iTunes has been doing 99 cent music since ~2002 seamlessly.

Apple will do ring tones. The settlement with AppleCorps Music allows them to "create and distribute" music now.

Rocketman
 
Europe is a far larger market than the U.S.

If the iPhone doesn't succeed in Europe and Asia then the iPhone becomes an obscure product and won't be successful like the iPod ( which Apple wants at the end of the day, it wants to sell as many iPhones as possible, like the iPod ).



Why are we even talking about European "standards?" They will certainly come in due course, though if I were running Apple I would hardly be bothered. Europe has been a pain in the neck for Apple. You gotta have 3G, you gotta have this and that? Really? It's important to get this thing off the ground in the US, then worry- if that is even worth the energy-- about pleasing the Europeans, a task hardly accomplishable since you have to give 'em so much free stuff, it has to be more than cutting edge and oh! SO un-American in order to be even considered for adoption. Really!

Oh! and we are getting three iPhones on Friday--- doing our bit for Apple locally, I am proud to say.
 
rjwill246 said:
about pleasing the Europeans, a task hardly accomplishable since you have to give 'em so much free stuff
Like what? The ability to choose a carrier or set our own songs as ringtones... Yeah I see, that's certainly too much to ask for.
 
what is the main demographic of people that are on this site? Is it mostly teenagers who want the "cool factor" of the apple products? Or are there still some adults who can make educated decisions about products without being swayed by "the ringtone factor"?

From what I've been reading... this site is mostly children. You have to read with the mental filters to skip the ringtone-like nonsense.
 
You hit the nail on the head!!

I won't be buying the iPhone for what I feel is a good reason; Cingular/AT&T. Man, talk about the worst network in the world. I was soooo happy to hear my company switched their phone carrier standards from Cingular/AT&T to T-Mobile. I am now using a Dash that runs windows mobile and I CAN'T STAND Window. However, it is leaps and bounds better than being on that network. At the time, I could only be on the phone in one small corner of my house. Seeing my phone go from 4 bars to 1 without moving was just a sign of how terrible it is. Now that I am on T-Mobile, I get a minimum of 3 bars throughout my house consistently. When my company asked for recommendations from us for phones, I couldn't recommend an iPhone for this reason. Apple has got to get more carriers ASAP!! If what I have read about 2 year exclusive rights to AT&T is true, that is just disappointing.

Well, I moved FROM Sprint to AT&T for the same reason. I get absolutely great coverage with AT&T. Obviously this type of stuff varies person to person, so I don't know what good all this anecdotal coverage opinion stuff is actually doing.

Sprint. Never again...
 
nice phone, but

nice phone. not perfect. too many features missing, but it's a new gadget with a good design. Apple made a big mistake to make it ATT exclusive. They could have launched a new phone and immediately grab a large proportion of the market. instead, they preferred trying to squeeze extra income with ATT.

All considered, I'm glad I have my Prada and Nokia E61.
 
Ringtones

can't copy/paste, that sucks. Also, no songs as ringtones...that's idiotic. That's like the first thing i would have done.

It's not that idiotic if Apple plan to sell ringtones through the ITMS!

Now if they do decide to do this and it takes off then they wont be the idiots will they?

And as mentioned in previous posts... No songs as ringtones is not exactly a deal breaker once you leave the early teenage years behind.
 
I think you are putting out a straw man argument that people are saying this phone is perfect for *everybody*. It's just perfect for what they want (or close enough to it, as is the case with me).

You bring up many valid features that the iPhone indeed does not have. BUT, all features are not of equal value. Imagine a scale from 1-10 where 1 means that the feature virtually useless or non-important, and 10 means that the omission is a really big deal: a total dealbreaker. Now, let's look at the iPhone negatives and try to put numbers on them. This will represent *my* opinion to show you how I came to the conclusion that an iPhone is a solid choice for me.

No removable battery = 1. iPhone has great battery life and the dock connector allows battery packs (rechargable or AA) that work just like an extra battery would (same hassle of carrying it around everywhere). The only *real* issue is having to send it in when the battery gets old, but that's a one-time hassle that may not even happen before you switch out the phone for a new one.

No 3G = 5. If you live in a 3G heavy area but have little Wi-fi access at the places you go you'll be majorly annoyed (a "10" for you). If you don't get 3G anyway but have tons of Wi-fi access you won't even notice the lack of Wi-fi (a "0" for you). It's going to depend on the user so I split it down the middle. For me personally, it's still a 5 (I am in a 3G zone but I'm also attached to a Wi-fi network almost everywhere I go except my car).

No video recording = 3 for me. I can think of a few occasions where I'd use it, but mostly it would sit there unused. For others, it's different. It would have to do really high quality video for me to be interested, but at that point the cost would not make it worth it (to me).

2 MP Camera = 2 for me. I'm a wannabe photographer, so I'd only use the phone camera when I don't care about quality too much anyway (informal things or unexpected things, for the rest it's a DSLR). I'd say the camera is perfectly adequate, nothing more, nothing less.

Searchable contacts = 1. It makes sense to add, but I don't have nearly enough contacts (100?) that scrolling will be all that hassle. Seems like an easily upgradable thing to me, anyway.

No Adobe Flash = 3 for me. Some sites I frequent do have flash and it will be a pain to not be able to quickly check out that content. It's really the only downside I see to the Browser which otherwise looks amazing. The YouTube client mitigates a lot of the pain.

No Custom Ringtones = 2 for me. I more just want to be able to put my own "beepy" ringtones than I do songs, but I see how a younger crowd will be sad they can't let the world know how much they love Kelly Clarkson every time somebody calls them. I think this is some legal thing and some custom ringtone solution will show up in software eventually

My point being that a few issues are somewhat big (3G, mostly), dealbreakers even for some out there, but most are way overblown as being things of any importance for many people. When you contrast with the indisputable positives:

- the "iPod" portion. The media portion of this thing just looks insane. Great interface.
- full email with pictures. Even exchange support (which I absolutely don't need, but others do)
- wonderful UI (this is so key it should get listed twice),
- visual voicemail. People complain about ringtones, but ignore this long-need feature? This has been a long time coming.
- really smart wi-fi management
- really great browser (arguably the best on a mobile device)
- awesome google maps implementation (even without GPS)
- Large, beautiful screen with a higher resolution than the competition
- Great conference call management.
- etc.

The picture painted is a phone that does what it is designed to do really well but with a couple of big caveats (3G...) and a few niggling software update issues (search, no IM). In total, much as the reviews seem to say, the iPhone mostly delivers but there are a few drawbacks. Decide how much those drawbacks matter to you and choose accordingly, If they don't apply (they don't apply that much to me and I have faith that most software gripes will get ironed out) and I don't see how you can say my decision to get an iPhone is wrong or that I'm falling for the hype or whatever it is. Trust me, I'm well aware of where this thing shines and where it doesn't, but it's mostly shine as far as my personal use is concerned. I'll be happy to see this thing get updated with time and probably get the REV C when it hits in 2 years (assuming my experience is positive).

There are very few phones with the "full" internet with 3G, but I *could* get one of those, sure. But what I'd gain in speed every now and then while I'm out and about I'd lose in other places (UI, screen, visual voicemail, prettiness, cost (N95), etc.)

Yeah, but what about "Copy and Paste?"

To me that is almost a deal-breaker. Almost.

However, I *hope* they come up with a "fix" for this. I think this is a *very* big deal that many of you seem to be avoiding. I can live without Flash (I'm positive this will come in an update). I can (almost) live without a replaceable battery. I can *barely* take not having 3rd party apps. However, the lack of "cut/copy and paste" is enormous that some of you won't realize you *miss* until you absolutely need it.

Just some basic examples:
1. Street addresses into contacts.
2. Street addresses into Google Maps

So your friend e-mails you an address *or* texts you an address on where everyone is going to meet up. Think of that scenario. Think of the steps you have to take to get the *address* from the email/txt msg over to the contacts or to google maps. Back and forth. Back and forth. Back and forth. It's why it's *almost* a deal breaker. Almost.

w00master
 
Or the fact that Jobs said the music will pause and you can hear the ringing going on outside of your earphones. Or the fact that all of sudden you will be hearing a different song playing then the one you started.



No copy and paste because it is still in Beta testing. :D



BETA TESTING!

Every damn phone I've ever owned feels like a big beta test. And nobody ever came out with an update. Just another beta. Current phones and smartphones are just crap. They're crap. Really horrible pieces of hardware and software. This thing may have it's shortcomings, but hell, it's practically a laptop in a phone. Give 'em time. Software will update for a while. But I'm guessing 3G will require the next gen.
 
Why are we even talking about European "standards?" They will certainly come in due course, though if I were running Apple I would hardly be bothered. Europe has been a pain in the neck for Apple. You gotta have 3G, you gotta have this and that? Really? It's important to get this thing off the ground in the US, then worry- if that is even worth the energy-- about pleasing the Europeans, a task hardly accomplishable since you have to give 'em so much free stuff, it has to be more than cutting edge and oh! SO un-American in order to be even considered for adoption. Really!

I nominate you for the most jingoistic and ignorant post of this thread.

You obviously have no idea of the dynamics of the European market.

IF you were running Apple, it obviously would have gone under a long time ago as roughly 50% of Apple's sales come from outside the US. Apple needs the European market if this product is to get off the ground.
 
Well, I moved FROM Sprint to AT&T for the same reason. I get absolutely great coverage with AT&T. Obviously this type of stuff varies person to person, so I don't know what good all this anecdotal coverage opinion stuff is actually doing.

Sprint. Never again...

And I moved from Tmobile to ATT for the same reason. Tmobile never worked anywhere except near a major highway. Get off the road and go home and it worked like in one room. 2 different houses.

So it's the same all over. One has holes in one area, and the other doesn't, etc. I'm sick of this argument.
 
Reply to all ringtone posts

Well my original comments have been much maligned. My expectations of an honest company have been insulted. My taste in music has been insulted by folks who've never heard the music. And to top it off, I have been enjoying the evening with a friend who refuses to get an iPhone because EDGE is too slow. Apparently we don't have 3G in our town so it wouldn't matter if the phone had it, but nonetheless, EDGE is faster than no internet at all, which is what I have on my phone now.

As for the quotes, here are the interesting ones and my responses.

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Well then enjoy your non-iphone

Expecting AT&T to give you free ringtones when the rest of the market charges is foolish.

My reply:
-I'm hoping Steve Jobs will see this and make a last-minute change. (Please Steve, let me play my music!)

-I'm an artist, I thought this was about the music? Artists can't even set their own music as ring tones?

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Well, if this is the brunt of the complaints, Apple has done a very good job.

My reply
-Perhaps. If this is the only problem, Apple will have done a very good job, with only one gaping oversight. (Although I haven't heard if you can use VPN to access internet through WiFi. I need to do this for my job.)

Quote
It kindof makes sense that you can't use songs as ringtones. ... If you're not paying full attention, you'll totally forget that you have to answer a call.

My reply
I have music that is specifically for phone rings. Music I don't otherwise listen to. Perhaps my attention is just better, but I can actually remember the song I choose as my ringtone, and I know from which artist I'm listening to and what album it is whether the sound is "music" or ringtone. I actually get confused the other way - when I hear the music I think someone wants to talk to me. It's little ray of sunshine in my day. But I understand your position. A 'friend' of mine has had the same preset ringtone on her little nokia for a long time - she still doesn't understand that the phone that's ringing is hers. If you get confused by this, then stick with one of Apple's pre-approved sounds, but don't stop the rest of us from having our own ringtones.

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i can't let this go without saying something. i'm dumbfounded on so many levels. the fact that you can't have a terrible song blaring out of your gorgeous new phone is a deal breaker? if anything, i think iPhone would be doing you a favor by restricting your heinous musical taste to your earbuds only. also, the unintentional comedy inherent in calling "Marimba" childish, while referring to a good charlotte song as "perfect" is, well...perfect!

My reply
-You have obviously not heard the song of which I speak. (The iTunes 30 s sample does not include the simple, beautiful part I use.) And as for restricting what kind of music people listen to, I guess you're a communist. I like punk, altough Beethoven is my absolute favorite.
Perhaps "childish" was not the right word. "Stilted" or "amelodic" might be better.

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wow, you guys take the ringing thing to heart huh? My personal metric is when out and about I have my phone on vibrate (mostly cause my stereo is waaay too loud and I'd miss all kinds of calls). When I am home and my phone is n the table (and since my cell is my home phone as well) it goes on ring. Since my wife and I will both have the same phone we need a way to tell who's phone is ringing. Well that and I like me some Planet Rock

My reply
-Most of the time my phone is on vibrate as well, but when it's not I want to hear the opening chimes of "A New Beginning" from an artist who admits the brokenness of our society and through rather harsh beat but creative and emotional melodies and excellent harmonies--- comforting those who have had similar experiences by letting them know they're not alone.

Besides their uplifting line "hold on, when you feel like letting go. Hold on, it gets better than you know. Don't stop looking you're one step closer. Don't stop searching, it's not over. Hold on." got me through some hard times. I've lived those lyrics.

As for my stereo - my bass is so loud I can't even feel the vibrating phone! But I can hear those high-pitched chimes from "A New Beginning," and if not at the beginning, then I can hear the choir "oh's" and if not then the string "plucks" work.

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You'll notice in the iTunes Store Terms of Service, it specifically forbids songs being used as ringtones. I think there is just some legal problem here.

My reply
-But I didn't buy the songs from iTunes, I bought the CD, which had no such restriction.

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-WILL PEOPLE STOP TALKING ABOUT THE RINGTONE ISSUE!!! You can't just set your songs as ringtones because that would be free, and ATT doesn't want that! They probably want you to pay for ringtones, WHAT!, NEVER! I could set my songs as ringtones on my other cell phone for free, oh wait, I COULDN'T!!!

My reply
-I can set any .mp3 on my razor as my ringtone for free. I could write my own song on my sony ericcson POC, and my nokia flip phone. I actually do compose music, so it's not hard at all - except for the totaly non-musical interface (these programmers don't know what music is). I once had a phone that would let me type in notes to a song I actually composed. Other people liked it and asked if they could have it.

If they don't give up the $.99 for the one ringtone, they'll have to give up the $60 for the rate plan, and Apple the $600 for the phone.

Besides, I'd be paying $600 for the phone and $60 a month to use the phone, why not charge for wallpaper? I mean, why can I use my own photos for wallpaper, but not my own personally composed music, recorded with garage band for ringtones?

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Thats a weak answer. Its probably an Apple decision too - wait for the ring tones on iTMS. Its a revenue generator. Squeeze the very last $ out of the consumer.

My reply
If I have to wait for Apple to figure out that the opening 30s of "A New Beginning" is the most awesome ringtone ever I might as well wait for um... ringtones to disappear entirely? We certainly don't seem to be gaining ability to select ringtones. Most of it is terrible nowadays.


Bottom line is, I'm an Apple "fanboy." (Oh for the days they just called us "Mac users") I have a PowerBook 12", PowerBook 15", a Cube, a G5 and a MacBook Pro 15". I have been waiting patiently for the iPhone since it was announced. But I'm not going to shell out $600 for a phone that doesn't let me choose my own ringtone!

Choosing my own ringtone was one of my requirements when I picked my current phone, which when combined with my other requirements (flip-phone with no external buttons, bluetooth synching) left me with no phones at all. I compromised on a motorola razor that had three external buttons but no way to silence the ringer without making silly blurping noises repeatedly and very loud without flat turning it off (which eliminates the missed calls logging). (When you NEED to silence a ringer you want the process to be silent as well!)

That said, I find the motorolla razor impossible to use in some cases because the screen backlight goes out and I no longer know what the general purpose buttons do, and they retain their function even when the screen is off, so I risk doing something expensive. I wish my phone had a proximity sensor. Today for the first time in 2 years I found out that one of the multi-purpose buttons will let me switch between phone calls! Without blacklight on the length of the phone call - how was I suppossed to know what button to push?

I would like to buy an iPhone--it has many features I would like, but I don't feel I can support a cell phone manufacturer that won't even let me choose my own ringtones, whether their phone is multi-touch or not, especially if I'm paying them $600 and they can fix the problem in software.

thought process -> iPod + cell phone = music as my ringtone
didn't anybody think of that?
 
Europe is a far larger market than the U.S.

I).
And a much poorer one where free and cheap dominates. Apple has done brilliantly without any help form European buyers. Of course, if they come on board great but they are no deal breakers or heart breakers. As I said, for Apple they have frequently been nothing but a pain in the ass-- look at the iTunes fiasco.
 
Like what? The ability to choose a carrier or set our own songs as ringtones... Yeah I see, that's certainly too much to ask for.

I don't see that choosing your carrier is that important-- you will clearly disagree but if you are looking at UK choices as compared to the US, the UK ones are dismally expensive and the services are poor as are internet services in general. As for ring tones- a small nitpicking item for crying out loud. Certainly does not fall into the category of critical-- well, except for adolescents perhaps, but my guess is that within a very short time you will be able to use your own stuff. Meanwhile, there are many phones on ALL carriers in the US that don't let you put on your own tones. Look at the websites that are dedicated to getting around just that!
 
I don't see that choosing your carrier is that important-- you will clearly disagree but if you are looking at UK choices as compared to the US, the UK ones are dismally expensive and the services are poor as are internet services in general. As for ring tones- a small nitpicking item for crying out loud. Certainly does not fall into the category of critical-- well, except for adolescents perhaps, but my guess is that within a very short time you will be able to use your own stuff. Meanwhile, there are many phones on ALL carriers in the US that don't let you put on your own tones. Look at the websites that are dedicated to getting around just that!

You epitomize a windows user - "we professionals don't absolutely have to have it, so if you as a consumer demand it, you're nothing but a sniveling child." The point of Macintosh is that you can easily do/get what you want, not just hardly get what you need after surfing the internet or getting a degree in computer science.
 
Quote
You'll notice in the iTunes Store Terms of Service, it specifically forbids songs being used as ringtones. I think there is just some legal problem here.

My reply
-But I didn't buy the songs from iTunes, I bought the CD, which had no such restriction.

thought process -> iPod + cell phone = music as my ringtone
didn't anybody think of that?

Labels: Fine Jobs, we'll let you sell our songs, but you have to promise you're not pulling the rug out from under us. We want our ringtone revenue so you can't use these things as revenue. If apple software will allow our songs used as ringtones, it's a breach of contract and we're gone.

Jobs: Okay

... and thus iTunes was forbidden from transferring songs to phones as a ringtone. Jobs probably didn't care 3 years ago before he started development a phone, but now it has bitten him in the ass.

Anyway, the point is that you are getting all political "I should have the choice to do what I want blah blah." It's not that Apple don't think you should have this ability, but more like they can't find a way to give it to you without seriously pissing off their partners. Or perhasp they are going to sell ringtones and are just greedy. It's silly, but not unprecedented. Have faith that there will be a workaround. Those ringtones are just audio files of some sort and I'm sure somebody is going to figure out how to get to them.

And don't be so sensitive. People are just giving you a hard time about Good Charlotte. You can't be all that surprised: they're not exactly critcially acclaimed. Of course you should like what you like and screw what others think.
 
Bottom line is, I'm an Apple "fanboy." (Oh for the days they just called us "Mac users") I have a PowerBook 12", PowerBook 15", a Cube, a G5 and a MacBook Pro 15". I have been waiting patiently for the iPhone since it was announced. But I'm not going to shell out $600 for a phone that doesn't let me choose my own ringtone!

Choosing my own ringtone was one of my requirements when I picked my current phone, which when combined with my other requirements (flip-phone with no external buttons, bluetooth synching) left me with no phones at all. I compromised on a motorola razor that had three external buttons but no way to silence the ringer without making silly blurping noises repeatedly and very loud without flat turning it off (which eliminates the missed calls logging). (When you NEED to silence a ringer you want the process to be silent as well!)

That said, I find the motorolla razor impossible to use in some cases because the screen backlight goes out and I no longer know what the general purpose buttons do, and they retain their function even when the screen is off, so I risk doing something expensive. I wish my phone had a proximity sensor. Today for the first time in 2 years I found out that one of the multi-purpose buttons will let me switch between phone calls! Without blacklight on the length of the phone call - how was I suppossed to know what button to push?

I would like to buy an iPhone--it has many features I would like, but I don't feel I can support a cell phone manufacturer that won't even let me choose my own ringtones, whether their phone is multi-touch or not, especially if I'm paying them $600 and they can fix the problem in software.

thought process -> iPod + cell phone = music as my ringtone
didn't anybody think of that?

You know, I'm not a ringtone fan at all, and my previous post discussed my issues of having no "copy and paste." However, I'm totally on your side an truly feel that a *lot* of members on this board have been completely and totally insensitive and d*ckish to you. As I have stated, I'm not a ringtone fan, but your points really make a whole lot of sense to me that honestly I don't think a lot of people here will take heart. I hope I'm wrong.

A lot of it I think has to do with undying love for Apple and Steve Jobs. Trust me, I'm a *HUGE* Apple fan, but I will criticize and actually *not* purchase certain Apple items. I truly think there a lot of members on here that will criticize, berade, and even insult people who disagree about something or *anything* that Apple made, does, or says. It's a shame.

Yes, Apple is innovative. Yes, Apple has revolutionized the tech industry. Yes, Apple makes the most amazing OS. Yes, Apple makes beautiful products. But, Apple also makes mistakes, and sometimes it seems as if Apple *purposely* ignores their customers. Yet many on here will ignore it, and think that Apple is perfect and often insult "other" users because Apple did something a certain way.

Shame.

w00master
 
From what I've been reading... this site is mostly children. You have to read with the mental filters to skip the ringtone-like nonsense.

I'm a grown man. Customized ringtones are functional and essential. This will be hacked fairly soon.
 
The only problem with this "Apple is innocent" scheme...

Labels: Fine Jobs, we'll let you sell our songs, but you have to promise you're not pulling the rug out from under us. We want our ringtone revenue so you can't use these things as revenue. If apple software will allow our songs used as ringtones, it's a breach of contract and we're gone.

Jobs: Okay

... and thus iTunes was forbidden from transferring songs to phones as a ringtone. Jobs probably didn't care 3 years ago before he started development a phone, but now it has bitten him in the ass.

And don't be so sensitive. People are just giving you a hard time about Good Charlotte. You can't be all that surprised: they're not exactly critcially acclaimed. Of course you should like what you like and screw what others think.

Is that its ridiculous :)

Even Apple knows that less than a quarter of the stuff people has on their iPods comes from the iTunes store. The likelyhood is much higher that a non-iTMS song would be a ringtone choice.

A lot of people here seem to be both new to the way Apple operates and not very schooled on the history of the company.

Its very simple...when given a choice of why Apple may or may not have done something, you can safely pick from the following two choices and be right over we'll say 90% of the time.

1. There isn't any money in it for them. Apple doesn't do the razors/razorblades thing.

2. They think they know better than you, and will market you into submission :)

You don't have custom ringtones because Apple can't make money on them (yet), someone at Apple thinks their choices in unique, expensively sound designed, meticulously tweaked built in ringtones sound better than "Milkshake" bleating out of *their beautiful phone* for 15 seconds :)

Seriously.
 
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