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Protruding camera, terribly obvious antenna lines, no 3d touch will mean no upgrade from my 4s, a time when good clean design principles actually mattered to Apple. I will wait another two more years or change brand.

No insult intended, but do "terribly obvious antenna lines" matter that much? My gf might, possibly, worry about that if is was on a piece of jewelry of some sort..but for a phone? Really? Change brand?
 
They may have looked better, but the antennas sucked compared to the new design. I had to send 6 iPhone 4's back because of anttena signal drops in an area where all other phones were getting full bars.

And you would drop the functionality of iOS because of two bands that are probably hidden under a case? Just curious.
That user was talking about the 4S, which has redesigned antennas from the 4.
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This is news? A case? Not the phone itself... but a CASE?
You're a 6502A member which means you've been here long enough to not be a casual reader. MacRumors has always reported on case designs before the release of a new phone because they do give some clue as to what the phone could possibly look like. It happens every year.
 
Protruding camera, terribly obvious antenna lines, no 3d touch will mean no upgrade from my 4s, a time when good clean design principles actually mattered to Apple. I will wait another two more years or change brand.

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The iPhone 4/4S is the most beautifully designed phone I've ever used. I plan on buying the SE & would then buy the 7 months later if it copycatted the iPhone 4 design.

Yes, the 4 series iPhone also represent the height of form over function.

I can't imagine a more stupid design than sandwiching $700 worth of sensitive electronics between two sheets of glass on a highly portable device, prone to drops and breakage by its very nature.

Can't wait for Apple to return to that high water mark of creativity. /s
 
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I jumped from 5s to 6S+. Best decision of my (iPhone) life. I thought that I would've never loved it, now I can't live without it.
My personal preference is to carry a smaller device. I use an iPad mini for more in depth work which isn't much larger than 6s+.
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I'm sorry, but are you seriously so concerned about details that you'll switch brands just for minor things you wouldn't even notice while using it?

I mean, I love details, so I choose the iPhone. Have you ever used Android? Particularity with a skin from the manufacturer?

3D Touch remains to be seen, all depends on price point.
Yes, I am concerned about these things. I've used Nokia in the past. My 2009 touch screen Nokia had stereo speakers which is essential when watching videos, 7 years later Apple might do something like this. So yes, if a new device enters the market with a great proposition and Apple doesn't lift it's game, I would switch.
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There are lots of people like this.
They don' t even like the design of the 5/s.
" back in de old days".......

I think the 4s was great for its time, I loved the design. But when I got hold of the stealth black iPhone 5, I never looked back.
The 4s looks dated now, really...
Try something new, you could grow to like it...
It's not necessarily about nostalgia or trying something new and getting used to it, but more about instinct and acknowledging what is fundamentally better design. iPhone 6/6s is a design filled with compromises. A shift to an iPhone 4s for 2016 is what is needed, not a rehash of antenna breaks and protruding cameras.
 
Your personal taste doesn't necessarily represent better "design principles", fyi.
It's not a matter of personal taste, but a critical observation of the two designs. A pop out camera and mismatched coloured antennas are the result of incomplete design iteration processes and the belief that compromise is a suitable standard to live by.
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They may have looked better, but the antennas sucked compared to the new design. I had to send 6 iPhone 4's back because of anttena signal drops in an area where all other phones were getting full bars.

And you would drop the functionality of iOS because of two bands that are probably hidden under a case? Just curious.
iPhone 4s gave improved reception. Yes, the whole package matters, so I would drop iOS. But the point is the 6/6s antenna bands shouldn't be where they are. Apple puts many $ into research and development to bring harmony to the design and function of the products it makes. Protruding cameras and mismatched antennas might be features of other manufacturers. Apple has dropped the ball on this one for two years.
 
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A pop out camera and mismatched coloured antennas are the result of incomplete design iteration processes.

Yeah...still personal opinion (which you are, of course, entitled to). And sort of an arrogant one, implying that you understand the design iteration process more so than one of the most celebrated industrial designers on the planet.
 
Yeah...still personal opinion (which you are, of course, entitled to). And sort of an arrogant one, implying that you understand the design iteration process more so than one of the most celebrated industrial designers on the planet.
Take a step back, evaluate the models, scrutinise them, critically, objectively. One model is fully developed for its time, the other isn't. It's not arrogance but instead the ability to assert and to call this issue as it is. There are unresolved careless aspects of the design in 6/6s.
 
I jumped from 5s to 6S+. Best decision of my (iPhone) life. I thought that I would've never loved it, now I can't live without it.
Amazing that people tend to enjoy and/or justify expensive purchases. You would never have even considered jumping to the plus model if you thought the screen size would be a significant down side, and the price of buying it means that even if you didn't like it, you would never admit your mistake anyway.

People wanting an up-to-date 4 inch phone have very specific design needs, and I would hazard a guess that most people wanting such a phone think that the plus model is absurdly huge for a hand-held device.
 
Amazing that people tend to enjoy and/or justify expensive purchases. You would never have even considered jumping to the plus model if you thought the screen size would be a significant down side, and the price of buying it means that even if you didn't like it, you would never admit your mistake anyway.

People wanting an up-to-date 4 inch phone have very specific design needs, and I would hazard a guess that most people wanting such a phone think that the plus model is absurdly huge for a hand-held device.
I believe the marketing line was absurdly bigger than big.
 
Amazing that people tend to enjoy and/or justify expensive purchases. You would never have even considered jumping to the plus model if you thought the screen size would be a significant down side,

I didn't need to justify it. My iPhone 5s broke, I went to the Apple Store, and they gave me $200 cash back for the broken phone. So why did I chose the 6S+ ? For the camera, simple as that; I wanted to take better pictures and I said to myself, why not let's try it. Two days later I was addicted to it, and my need for a "regular" iPad was gone (will buy an iPad pro for my wife).

and the price of buying it means that even if you didn't like it, you would never admit your mistake anyway.

mmm I think I would have returned it or I would admit it. the iPad Mini was probably a mistake. so?

People wanting an up-to-date 4 inch phone have very specific design needs, and I would hazard a guess that most people wanting such a phone think that the plus model is absurdly huge for a hand-held device.

Buy whatever you think it's the best for you, and try it. If it works, keep it. I am just saying that I had a preconceived notion, I took a skeptical leap and bought it, and didn't regret it.
 
My 2009 touch screen Nokia had stereo speakers which is essential when watching videos, 7 years later Apple might do something like this.

I'm sorry, the use of the word "essential" to describe watching videos on a phone is a bit of a stretch for me.

Not to mention keep in mind the Nokia was twice as thick as the iPhone, which gave some pretty low-quality speakers any kind of performance at all. Two of the type of speakers found in the iPhone are going to do very little more than one speaker is doing presently in terms of sound quality, and hardly serve an "essential" function on a phone.

Maybe you'll point out something I haven't considered, but on the surface of it, I can't imagine what purpose it would serve that isn't improved by headphones.
 
I'm sorry, the use of the word "essential" to describe watching videos on a phone is a bit of a stretch for me.

Not to mention keep in mind the Nokia was twice as thick as the iPhone, which gave some pretty low-quality speakers any kind of performance at all. Two of the type of speakers found in the iPhone are going to do very little more than one speaker is doing presently in terms of sound quality, and hardly serve an "essential" function on a phone.

Maybe you'll point out something I haven't considered, but on the surface of it, I can't imagine what purpose it would serve that isn't improved by headphones.
It's essential. Maybe the realisation will come when it is presented in Apple's marketing someday. When watching a video, widescreen, without headphones using the mono speaker, the iPhone/iPad 2016 experience is poor, with sound directed at just one ear. Is Apple serious? That lack of sound balance is almost unforgivable for a device lauding itself as a great music, video and gaming device.
The Nokia in 2009 was not twice as thick, just slightly thicker (3mm) than the iPhone at the time, but was more compact in height and width. The fact that sound for such a small device was stereo and good quality, directing sound at both left and right ears through barely noticeable smart ultra thin cut outs is commendable.
 
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i wonder what would be the % of manufactures with cases out only based on rumors which do not fit the released phone, ever partially, or totally missing visual openings. (like power on/off switch a few millimeters off)
 
Anybody out there feel "over" the bigger iPhones? I went from a 5 to a 6+, couldn't stand it, then found peace in a 6. Now I keep picking up my iPod touch and I admire how light it is and how easily I can use it with one hand. It would be nice if the 5se would be this sleek, but I agree with others that a lack of features like 3d touch is hard to swallow.
 
Protruding camera, terribly obvious antenna lines, no 3d touch will mean no upgrade from my 4s, a time when good clean design principles actually mattered to Apple. I will wait another two more years or change brand.

As someone that's had the 4s, 5s and now the 6s, all I can say is that you have issues and are only hurting yourself. The 4s is basically unusable on up to date software. That means that you either haven't upgraded your OS or that you're using a hopelessly out dated system. Trust me, anything you'd get would be a massive improvement over the 4s. The 4s was indeed great in it's day, but that day has long past and phones have become much more powerful.

Perhaps what's funnier though is that you claim to be a discerning customer with strong design demands, yet you threaten to go to another platform. Really?? Which device / OS do you really think matches something like the 6s running iOS 9? Good luck with that.
 
As someone that's had the 4s, 5s and now the 6s, all I can say is that you have issues and are only hurting yourself. The 4s is basically unusable on up to date software. That means that you either haven't upgraded your OS or that you're using a hopelessly out dated system. Trust me, anything you'd get would be a massive improvement over the 4s. The 4s was indeed great in it's day, but that day has long past and phones have become much more powerful.

Perhaps what's funnier though is that you claim to be a discerning customer with strong design demands, yet you threaten to go to another platform. Really?? Which device / OS do you really think matches something like the 6s running iOS 9? Good luck with that.

yeah, if protruding camera is a big problem, and old apps and OS are not, I wonder how he uses the iphone.
 
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