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Intel doesn't pick and choose who buys their CPUs - anyone is free to buy them. Apple just doesn't buy the latest and greatest.

Why? Because they're cheap. They buy last gen parts and sell the computers as if they're next gen, and just rake in the profits.

What a load of nonsense. At no point has Apple released a machine that didn't have the latest suitable Intel chip available for it.
 
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Intel is making a new 'drone' platform? Really? That's what they identified as a business big enough for them to invest in? I'm surprised they aren't researching a new platform for mixers and blenders...I feel sorry for Intel as they don't see mot have a focus anymore. I'd like to be in the meeting though..." What the hell should we do, now?" "How about drones, I mean lots of kids like those things!" "And it goes so well with our expertise!"

Are u kidding

Weapons contractors man - big money - its the next thing theyll use to kill and assasinate people in other parts of the world, like afghanis, egyptians, syrians) essentially any colored person) in the name of democracy and security. This is also something americans are skilled at, far more than isis, except they use democracy as a cover man. Anyways big business, they will probably have great accuracy, intelligence, and other related abolities, us gov and weapons contractors will flood in to buy them to use and sell them to governmentd and many wars taking place
 
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Weapons contractors man - big money - its the next thing theyll use to kill and assasinate people in other parts of the world, like afghanis, egyptians, syrians) essentially any colored person) in the name of democracy and security. This is also something americans are skilled at, far more than isis, except they use democracy as a cover man. Anyways big business, they will probably have great accuracy, intelligence, and other related abolities, us gov and weapons contractors will flood in to buy them to use and sell them to governmentd and many wars taking place

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Except that maybe CPUs for 13" MacBook Pro, but those for the 15" were available just by a couple of months.

Weren't they available in April? Its now mid August.

Other manufacturers managed to get their laptops on to shop floors after these suitable processors became available...
 
Apple can only release KL MBP's when Intel releases the suitable Intel KL processors.
Clearly, although it's not clear to me that suitable MBP KL processors won't be available this year.
If the competition has KL laptops on the market sooner, it is because they are not actually competition for the MBP, but for low power machines.
No, the competition at the moment is one step ahead in the MBP segment. E.g. the XPS series, the Surface Book etc. Apple is up-to-date solely in the ultra low power segment (rMB - Core M), where there's little competition and little consumer interest, due to very low performance. In fact most other laptops in this form factor use a better chip.
 
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Now that Windows has BASH I'm actually weighing up the pros and cons of going back to a 'PC' in November. I do two 'things' on my Macbook Pro; web development and lately 4K video editing and my Macbook Pro is starting to feel a bit dated.

I *want* to stick with Apple, I love the way OSX works, but there is a limit to how far that will tip the scale.
 
i think apples current line up is great anyways. I dont think there is anything wrong with the design of the retina macbook pro, and performance is pretty good just a bit weak on graphic power side, newer chips arent going to solve many things i am not sure why everyone is after them. If its not broke dont fix it applies here. Sure HP and Dell may get it first but then buy an HP and you will never dare buy an HP or dell Again!
 
Clearly, although it's not clear to me that suitable MBP KL processors won't be available this year.

No, the competition at the moment is one step ahead in the MBP segment. E.g. the XPS series, the Surface Book etc. Apple is up-to-date solely in the ultra low power segment (rMB - Core M), where there's little competition and little consumer interest, due to very low performance. In fact most other laptops in this form factor use a better chip.

Even though the roadmap states that the 28watt processors are only going to be available by the end of the year earliest and most likely early next?
 
Neat..

Makes sense from Apple's standpoint to wait, even though we all want the newest chips "now"..

You don't build a car half way though, and then engineer comes back and says.. "oh darn, you know what, i forgot the put ventilation grills in this thing"
 
Understood, like I said small increments. Not agreeing with speculation that Macs would be discontinued, but Apple's focus is clearly elsewhere these days and lots of Pro users are jumping ship. I'm good with my 2015 MBA for my purposes, but I am miffed that Apple charges 2016 prices for 2013-15 technology.
Apart from the Haswell processor in the 15" MBP, there is nothing in the current Mac laptop lineup that would be any different than things were five or ten years ago. Apple has always kept the same hardware design for several years. Four years (2012-2016) is quite a typical length in MBP hardware design. Apple has always charged full price for its products, whether they were one month or twelve months old, whether the graphic card was brand new or 18 months old.

Calling people "Drama Queens" is a little inappropriate, when they're just expressing their disappointment and speculating (as is appropriate for a "rumours" site) about possible discontinuation of certain products they love.
There is speculation and there is FUD/"I know this isn't true but it just feels to good to accuse Apple of doing it (killing the Mac)".
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Weren't they available in April? Its now mid August.

Other manufacturers managed to get their laptops on to shop floors after these suitable processors became available...
Yeah, because other manufacturers don't mind releasing a computer one day (Skylake) and then a few months later release a new version (new hardware design). Or maybe rather, other manufacturers simply have so many parallel product lines that they can release new versions for a given product line only once per year but still have new versions out every month.
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13-inch MacBook Pro (Mid 2010), I'm just saying. :cool:
That can't be, everything was better in the past. It must have been, if things are constantly getting worst, then things must have better in the past.
 
Yeah, because other manufacturers don't mind releasing a computer one day (Skylake) and then a few months later release a new version (new hardware design). Or maybe rather, other manufacturers simply have so many parallel product lines that they can release new versions for a given product line only once per year but still have new versions out every month.

There was a time when Apple would release new Macbook Pros fairly quick after CPU release.. no
more though.

Why would they need a new hardware design.. manufacturers would have had CPU samples from Intel in order to design hardware.
 
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Even though the roadmap states that the 28watt processors are only going to be available by the end of the year earliest and most likely early next?
The roadmap linked in the post explicitly as an old Intel roadmap is a 9 months old leak. So I wouldn't put so much faith in it.

In the meantime, at IDF Intel just announced that more than 400 devices will ship with KL CPUs this autumn. Now it could well be that no MBP-suitable CPUs are going to be released this year at all, but at the moment it looks more likely than not that there will.

In any case, as a large customer, I'm sure Apple has access to detailed roadmaps and preferential access to silicon from Intel, should they want it. It seems to me that they don't have much interest in actual computing platforms and, under Mr Cook's direction, are focusing on fashion tech, where Mr Cook thinks the cash is.
 
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The roadmap linked in the post explicitly as an old Intel roadmap is a 9 months old leak. So I wouldn't put so much faith in it.

In the meantime, at IDF Intel just announced that more than 400 devices will ship with KL CPUs this autumn. Now it could well be that no MBP-suitable CPUs are going to be released this year at all, but at the moment it looks more likely than not that there will.

In any case, as a large customer, I'm sure Apple has access to detailed roadmaps and preferential access to silicon from Intel, should they want it. It seems to me that they don't have much interest in actual computing platforms and, under Mr Cook's direction, are focusing on fashion tech, where Mr Cook thinks the cash is.

So, really, we shouldn't go on their roadmap and should instead go based on your feelings?
 
Apart from the Haswell processor in the 15" MBP, there is nothing in the current Mac laptop lineup that would be any different than things were five or ten years ago. Apple has always kept the same hardware design for several years. Four years (2012-2016) is quite a typical length in MBP hardware design. Apple has always charged full price for its products, whether they were one month or twelve months old, whether the graphic card was brand new or 18 months old.

I disagree. Under Mr. Cook, the hardware design has taken an extremely aggressive anti-consumer stance with non upgradeable ram, proprietary SSD HD, and glued in components, and Applecare or warranties voided if any customization seen. Upgradeability monopolized with huge mark ups, maintenance monopolized by Applecare, obsolescence guaranteed.
 
Kaby Lake is out, great! That means that Apple is well on its way for upgrading this laptop lines to Core Duo. What a time to be alive...

Kaby Lake is hardware accelerated for the HEVC Main10 profile, meaning it can "play the highest quality 4K premium content on the market today without a hitch.

What does this even mean? That the current computers can't run 4K? I thought 4 year old computers can run 4K easy.
 
Yeah let's compare last years phone (iP6s) with this year's phone (GS7). I've dabbled in the Galaxy/Android space. Garbage.

Then compare it to a S6, those are still better. What I don't like about Samsung is the Android OS, the hardware is great. They offer so much more than iPhones. Apple is just slowly adding stuff, because they know it'll sell anyway. But it seems like people (general consumers, who don't compare every detail like us) are getting less ignorant.
Samsung offers waterproof phones, fast AND wireless charging, better cameras, better screens and more.

If it was the other way around, people would not stop ******** on Samsung and how crap they are compared to iPhones. But since it's Apple, people somehow accept that they offer less features, just because it's 'Apple'.
 
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What does this even mean? That the current computers can't run 4K? I thought 4 year old computers can run 4K easy.

Currently, computers without HEVC hardware can still play HEVC compressed video, however, it does so by using software encoding and therefore relies heavily on CPU power to be able to doe the encode. HEVC h265 transcoding can be very CPU intensive.

Hardware encoding, is a dedicated set of silicon (either standalone, or embedded into the CPU) that can handle the transcoding via hardware and natively. This allows for hardware devices with native encoders to play the media back with almost zero CPU overhead. This has great benefits y not requiring higher performing CPU's / GPU's just to playback video. it also allows for some extremely lightweight hardware that can still play back highly compressed media.

Similar happened when Hardware H264 encoding came out, Now, virtually every single modern device comes with native H264 encoding, allowing for these extremely low powered, HD video playback devices like Apple TV's and Rokus ,where you really don't want a high power fast CPU, but need to encode/decode video quickly and efficiently
 
There was a time when Apple would release new Macbook Pros fairly quick after CPU release.. no
more though.
And there was a time when Intel released all CPUs of a new generation (excluding Xeons) within a few months instead of spread out over almost a full year.

Why would they need a new hardware design.. manufacturers would have had CPU samples from Intel in order to design hardware.
You misunderstand the new hardware design comment. New hardware design refers to things you can see from the outside, from weight, over thickness, to bezel size, number and kind of I/O ports, keyboard, trackpad etc.. Apple doesn't need a new hardware design for Skylake (except very likely in regard to I/O ports). But Apple won't release new MBPs with Skylake in the second quarter to then release MBPs with a new hardware design in the third quarter.
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I disagree. Under Mr. Cook, the hardware design has taken an extremely aggressive anti-consumer stance with non upgradeable ram, proprietary SSD HD, and glued in components, and Applecare or warranties voided if any customization seen. Upgradeability monopolized with huge mark ups, maintenance monopolized by Applecare, obsolescence guaranteed.
Correlation is not causation. Soldered RAM, proprietary SSDs, glued in components are all largely driven by miniaturisation. Standard 2.5" HDD/SSDs simply could not fit into a MacBook One or an MacBook Air, even for the retina MBPs it would be very tight.

Tell me, was Jobs not into miniaturisation? Did he not release iPhones with non-removable battery in 2007? Did he not gave us the original MBA with soldered RAM and non-standard HDD/SSDs in 2008? Did he not switch MBPs to non-removable batteries in 2009? Did he not preside over the second MBA generation which moved to a completely proprietary SSD in 2010? And did we not have complaints that Apple considered any customisation as a reason to void the warranty for as long as we can remember (for sure dating back to the Jobs era)?
 
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Tell me, was Jobs not into miniaturisation? Did he not release iPhones with non-removable battery in 2007? Did he not gave us the original MBA with soldered RAM and non-standard HDD/SSDs in 2008? Did he not switch MBPs to non-removable batteries in 2009? Did he not preside over the second MBA generation which moved to a completely proprietary SSD in 2010? And did we not have complaints that Apple considered any customisation as a reason to void the warranty for as long as we can remember (for sure dating back to the Jobs era)?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, and all of that sucks too. MBP is not the MBA, and using the excuse of *thin is better* to gimp options for consumers to create a monopoly sucks even worst.
 
So, really, we shouldn't go on their roadmap and should instead go based on your feelings?
It wasn't about my "feelings", it's about what's known. Their roadmap is a 9 months old leak, i.e. doesn't mean jack.

And by all means, go with whatever pleases you.
 
Bring also SDXC with extra pins, supporting maximum read/write speeds (300 MB/s).
 
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