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I will say I just saw that the Echo Show already does this turning around to face the person in the kitchen stuff lol.

And it has 50k reviews. $250. It looks fugly.

And in their case the turning around part is rotating around a cylindrical speaker.

I think it's a novelty design tho.

But to be fair I think the smart home stuff overall is a novelty. Not that I wasn't a bit jealous to see even my mother in law has a hi-tech thermostat now that came with her new furnace. The screen sure was purty.
 
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yeah i read what you wrote the first time. ;)
But did you? ;)

If you're moving around in the kitchen, you're going to miss the video playing no matter whether the screen is turning to face you or not. That is unless you're walking sideways and backwards and never looking at where you're going or what you're doing. And who does that? No one.
You may not be considering angle and glare, also people have different types of kitchens. If you ave an island and this is in the middle ic can follow you around the entire thing.

Nevermind an iPad on a stand has a viewing angle of 180 degrees practically. Plenty for moving around in a kitchen and still being able to see the screen. REmember too that kitchens are setup so you don't have to move very far between fridge, oven and sink. Or they are supposed to be to maximize efficiency.
No it doesn’t, at 120° you can tell its’ on and not much else. Maybe professional kitchens are are built tight like that for efficiency, but home kitchens use all the space they can utilize. I love cooking, I have chopping stations, washing stations an so on, it would be nice to have the screen facing me when my hands are dirty and I can’t readjust it’s positioning.

Always in a frame for a call? They have tech in ipads now to mitigate that called CenterStage.
Centre Stage is what I am talking about but it doesn’t work like this — It’a a wide-angle shot cropped to make use of the sensor. It adjusts a foot or so either way, it doesn’t actually follow you around. It’s a camera trick, not articulation.

small iphone screens? Kid has iPad? Buy another iPad. The 9th gen is $200 at big box retailers now as I type. IT's more than powerful enough for watching videos in the kitchen.
We don’t know the specs of this yet. Size, screen quality, sound quality, and additional features are all unknowns other than the robotic articulation. Having an additional iPad is a stopgap solution for all we know.

So ...I completely don't see the use case other than some really specialized niche or some pricey novelty.
We don’t know anything about it, but what I do know is that most apple products have been judged too harshly before announcement, specifically because they are unknowns. I have never said this is a must buy for everyone, but based on the specs, “magical” software inclusions we don’t know about, or if there are different models with varying prices, this could be a hit we don’t know about. Before, iPads were just thought to be big iPhones before launch but it matured. Mac Minis were just headless laptops and now they are server farms. Watches were wrist iPods now they are health devices. I say this with respect, many armchair apple pundits don’t have the foresight to see what a product CAN be because all they see is what the current crop provides, further influenced by solutions they cobble together to make "good-enough" solutions. take off the pragmatic hat and imagine where something like this could go. The stuff I had mentioned was just the tip of the iceberg.
 
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But did you? ;)


You may not be considering angle and glare, also people have different types of kitchens. If you ave an island and this is in the middle ic can follow you around the entire thing.


No it doesn’t, at 120° you can tell its’ on and not much else. Maybe professional kitchens are are built tight like that for efficiency, but home kitchens use all the space they can utilize. I love cooking, I have chopping stations, washing stations an so on, it would be nice to have the screen facing me when my hands are dirty and I can’t readjust it’s positioning.


Centre Stage is what I am talking about but it doesn’t work like this — It’a a wide-angle shot cropped to make use of the sensor. It adjusts a foot or so either way, it doesn’t actually follow you around. It’s a camera trick, not articulation.


We don’t know the specs of this yet. Size, screen quality, sound quality, and additional features are all unknowns other than the robotic articulation. Having an additional iPad is a stopgap solution for all we know.


We don’t know anything about it, but what I do know is that most apple products have been judged too harshly before announcement, specifically because they are unknowns. I have never said this is a must buy for everyone, but based on the specs, “magical” software inclusions we don’t know about, or if there are different models with varying prices, this could be a hit we don’t know about. Before, iPads were just thought to be big iPhones before launch but it matured. Mac Minis were just headless laptops and now they are server farms. Watches were wrist iPods now they are health devices. I say this with respect, many armchair apple pundits don’t have the foresight to see what a product CAN be because all they see is what the current crop provides, further influenced by solutions they cobble together to make "good-enough" solutions. take off the pragmatic hat and imagine where something like this could go. The stuff I had mentioned was just the tip of the iceberg.
YOu're arguing semantics at the end of the day. And that's when you know you don't have a good argument. In this case that's when you know you're talking about a niche case.

I didn't know that you didn't know that I know what we don't know.
 
YOu're arguing semantics at the end of the day. And that's when you know you don't have a good argument. In this case that's when you know you're talking about a niche case.
Not arguing semantics at all. We are discussing the usefulness of a product that hasn’t even been announced — much less has had features itemized in detail — it’s an argument of foresight. Looking at random line items and seeing is some potential usefulness can be gleaned from it. Saying I don’t have a good argument is ridiculous when neither of us have a concrete grasp of the actual product to say definitively — one way or the other — to say if something will have an audience or not.

You are assuming a niche case because you are assuming the elements of what has been leaked are all the product is, and I’m saying that’s never been the case. Apple’s products always have additional elements —both hardware and software — we don’t know about (since they usually split groups up within projects so if a leak happens, only fractions of the details come out) but I can see potential when looking at their other products, the roads they’ve gone down with them, and where this may converge. I’m not sure why you think a pessimistic approach to something we don’t know is a more viable perspective on this product than an optimistic one is, but it isn’t somehow a more legitimate take.

Lets just agree to disagree, and see what come out.
 
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Not arguing semantics at all. We are discussing the usefulness of a product that hasn’t even been announced — much less has had features itemized in detail — it’s an argument of foresight. Looking at random line items and seeing is some potential usefulness can be gleaned from it. Saying I don’t have a good argument is ridiculous when neither of us have a concrete grasp of the actual product to say definitively — one way or the other — to say if something will have an audience or not.

You are assuming a niche case because you are assuming the elements of what has been leaked are all the product is, and I’m saying that’s never been the case. Apple’s products always have additional elements —both hardware and software — we don’t know about (since they usually split groups up within projects so if a leak happens, only fractions of the details come out) but I can see potential when looking at their other products, the roads they’ve gone down with them, and where this may converge. I’m not sure why you think a pessimistic approach to something we don’t know is a more viable perspective on this product than an optimistic one is, but it isn’t somehow a more legitimate take.

Lets just agree to disagree, and see what come out.
You just wrote 2 paragraphs with no meaning.
 
But to be fair I think the smart home stuff overall is a novelty. Not that I wasn't a bit jealous to see even my mother in law has a hi-tech thermostat now that came with her new furnace. The screen sure was purty.
I don't think it is a novelty, the more people have these smart speakers in their house the more potential for them to add a switch, a lightbulb, thermostat, etc. For that simple stuff it all works really well. I have just about my whole house rigged up, and an Amazon eavesdropping device in just about every room. I say my good morning to Bezos and what I preprogrammed to light up in the house lights up. I let Amazon HQ I am leaving and everything shuts off. I let it know I am home and things light up once again. I can't even remember the last time I used a light switch or touched my thermostat. It all works really well and simple and customizable for the individual in what they want.
 
I don't think it is a novelty, the more people have these smart speakers in their house the more potential for them to add a switch, a lightbulb, thermostat, etc. For that simple stuff it all works really well. I have just about my whole house rigged up, and an Amazon eavesdropping device in just about every room. I say my good morning to Bezos and what I preprogrammed to light up in the house lights up. I let Amazon HQ I am leaving and everything shuts off. I let it know I am home and things light up once again. I can't even remember the last time I used a light switch or touched my thermostat. It all works really well and simple and customizable for the individual in what they want.
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