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Even if its 10% more (leaked specs were showing a 10% mAH bump from 3270ish it is now to 3500) that is a lot. May be another hour or 2 of use with more efficient hardware.

That's a lot more time honestly and put it up there with Samsung an Huawei in various battery tests people do on Youtube running the same stuff side by side.

I doubt 4-5 hours more use as claimed (but I dont know how Apple tests those battey life numbers; there is no uniform way as everyone's usage varies)
 

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Start disabling some useless background processes & notifications and you might have saved quite a lot.
 

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Even if its 10% more (leaked specs were showing a 10% mAH bump from 3270ish it is now to 3500) that is a lot. May be another hour or 2 of use with more efficient hardware.

That's a lot more time honestly and put it up there with Samsung an Huawei in various battery tests people do on Youtube running the same stuff side by side.

I doubt 4-5 hours more use as claimed (but I dont know how Apple tests those battey life numbers; there is no uniform way as everyone's usage varies)
Yeah even if not truly 4-5 hours, it seems like it should be a meaningful increase.
 

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These iPhones are thick and heavy. I’m expecting to see a more fit and thin iPhone next year. Battery optimizations will be needed for the reduction of thickness. This year’s iPhones are reaping the benefits for the preparation of the iPhone 12.
 
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I’ve been waiting for year after year hoping that a year would come when Apple makes a leap not a tiny step in improving battery life. Today was a leap.

To put it into context, at last year’s keynote Apple announced that the iPhone XS would have an extra 30 minutes compared to the X and this year it’s an extra 4 hours on the 11 Pro compared to the Xs! That’s a whole different scale of increase. This year Apple made worthwhile increases in efficiency on both screen (for the Pro at least) and the A13, about 15% I seem to remember, and didn’t squander it by reducing battery capacity but instead increased battery capacity as well.

I’m not a keen photographer and I don’t game so many improvements pass me by. So many people here are seriously underwhelmed by today’s update so it’s a bit weird to find myself sitting here thinking it’s the most exciting upgrade I can remember for a while.

I have an Xs and posted last Friday that I would be willing to upgrade just for battery life if Apple managed a 30% increase and honestly I think I would have given Apple a bit of leeway and been fine with 25% increase. The Xs was quoting something like 12 or 13 hours of video watching or internet browsing which I think is what Apple is talking about so an extra 4 hours is about an extra 31% to 33%. If all my assumptions are correct, and with the battery increase plus reduced power consumption on key components it sounds about right, then Apple beat my threshold so it gets my money on launch day - I’m definitely getting the 11 Pro. Just please Apple don’t p*#s away these gains again next year with some silly razor-blade thin design and tiny battery.
 

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These iPhones are thick and heavy. I’m expecting to see a more fit and thin iPhone next year. Battery optimizations will be needed for the reduction of thickness. This year’s iPhones are reaping the benefits for the preparation of the iPhone 12.
Why in the world would you expect that next year? Maybe two years but doubtful.
 

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Why in the world would you expect that next year? Maybe two years but doubtful.
Why wouldn’t you expect it next year? The iPhone is trending at three year redesigns. Next year is the predicted redesign. Two years from now will be the second iteration of the new design.

Not following the logic.
 

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I’ve been waiting for year after year hoping that a year would come when Apple makes a leap not a tiny step in improving battery life. Today was a leap.

To put it into context, at last year’s keynote Apple announced that the iPhone XS would have an extra 30 minutes compared to the X and this year it’s an extra 4 hours on the 11 Pro compared to the Xs! That’s a whole different scale of increase. This year Apple made worthwhile increases in efficiency on both screen (for the Pro at least) and the A13, about 15% I seem to remember, and didn’t squander it by reducing battery capacity but instead increased battery capacity as well.

I’m not a keen photographer and I don’t game so many improvements pass me by. So many people here are seriously underwhelmed by today’s update so it’s a bit weird to find myself sitting here thinking it’s the most exciting upgrade I can remember for a while.

I have an Xs and posted last Friday that I would be willing to upgrade just for battery life if Apple managed a 30% increase and honestly I think I would have given Apple a bit of leeway and been fine with 25% increase. The Xs was quoting something like 12 or 13 hours of video watching or internet browsing which I think is what Apple is talking about so an extra 4 hours is about an extra 31% to 33%. If all my assumptions are correct, and with the battery increase plus reduced power consumption on key components it sounds about right, then Apple beat my threshold so it gets my money on launch day - I’m definitely getting the 11 Pro. Just please Apple don’t p*#s away these gains again next year with some silly razor-blade thin design and tiny battery.
Yeah it's a solid upgrade. I am selling my pixel 2 XL this week to music magpie. The 11 Pro will be my 2nd iPhone. The last one I owned was a 5S roughly 4-5 years ago.
 

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I saved myself a ton of cash by spending $30 on a battery case for my iPhone 7 instead

Up to the 5, I was one of those people sitting at my laptop at 11:59pm on launch day, desperately refreshing to be the first to buy the new phone...same with the watch...but a couple of years ago I upgraded to a 7 and that phone does everything I need it to. I have no doubt that sometime next year I'll take another look and see if there is a good enough reason to upgrade, but I feel as though the huge price hikes aren't relative to the new features they offer...apple just trying to squeeze as much money as they can out of everyone. Apple doesn't care of course, for every person like me that doesn't buy, there is another person who will.
 

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Yea but how much is that down to using dark mode? And you’ll get dark mode on your Xs so may not be as big a difference as first appears.

With apple you always gotta be careful as they really know how to play people. Wait till people get them in hand and we find out what’s really going on. History backs this up.
 

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and of course when they use the term 'up to' it basically means that 10 out of the 100 phones they tested saw this...but they don't tell you under what conditions this occurred...but we all know it was 'ideal' conditions, minimal processes running, screen brightness turned down etc
 

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Why wouldn’t you expect it next year? The iPhone is trending at three year redesigns. Next year is the predicted redesign. Two years from now will be the second iteration of the new design.

Not following the logic.
Next year will be an “S” iteration. Has been the case forever. Every other year is a mild “S” upgrade.
 

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Next year will be an “S” iteration. Has been the case forever. Every other year is a mild “S” upgrade.
No.

The iPhone is in a three year design cycle, has been since the 6. If you would like to research this yourself, I suggest Google.
 
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No.

The iPhone is in a three year design cycle, has been since the 6. If you would like to research this yourself, I suggest Google.
I don't want you to be right but I agree with your logic and fear that you might be. If it does happen then, as you say, it will very probably be when transitioning to a totally new design which now seems to be every 3 years so very likely 2020.

My only comfort is that I suspect once the numbers are out there, e.g. the Pro 11 specs on the Apple web site are quoting up to 18 hours of video playback for example (https://www.apple.com/uk/iphone-11-pro/specs/) , I can't see Apple wanting to have to announce any year-on-year regressions. What might happen though is that Apple do do the trick we've seen done quite a few times before when the next generation electronics have resulted in reduced power draw vs the previous generation but, rather than using that to increase battery life, Apple has instead used it to allow it to reduce the size of the battery in the next gen model so that they can make extra space for new features (e.g. the haptic engine) or make it thinner while keeping battery life constant vs the previous generation. I can see that happening when we go from this 2020 range to a totally redesigned 2021 lineup. I'd love to be wrong though.

Still waiting for battery to last multiple days....
Me too. I really want to get to the stage when I could at least go on a single overnight trip and not have to worry about remembering to take a charger. Then the next step would be 2-night weekend away and then a 3-night long weekend away. I know chargers aren't big but it is another thing to have to remember to pack.

At the moment I keep a tiny little 10cm long charging cable in my travel wash bag so that as a last resort, even if I can't find anyone I can borrow a USB charger from, I can plug it into a USB port on the TV in my hotel room to at least get some charge into it. That can be a bit of a pain though because some TVs power down their USB ports when in standby so there have been times when I've had to sleep with the TV on so that I could keep power on the ports to get it charged overnight!
 

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Yea but how much is that down to using dark mode? And you’ll get dark mode on your Xs so may not be as big a difference as first appears.
I suspect not. The extra numbers claimed are about 30% extra time vs last year's equivalents and given that this year the rumours have been for about 20 - 25% increase in battery capacity (we'll find out reality once we get the tear-downs) plus some very worthwhile reductions in power consumption of key components that were mentioned explicitly in the keynote, I can easily see that alone giving the announced gains. Also, they are saying those numbers are compared to last year's phones so if iOS 13 dark mode adds an hour say just for dark mode, surely they would need to be comparing it with a 2018 phone also running iOS 13 so the dark mode gains would cancel out? And finally, the numbers they tend to talk about here are things like video playback time, those are certainly the numbers you can see bumped up significantly on Apple's own spec sheet for the 11-Pro series, and when playing video on a loop light or dark mode won't be a factor at all.

By the way, although I don't think they are factoring in efficiencies from iOS 13 since those would also benefit 2018 phones, another nice extra for some of us might be the new iOS13 "Low Data Mode" feature (search for it on this page - https://www.apple.com/uk/ios/ios-13/features/). I don't know if third-party app vendors need to opt into it but anything that might reduce the time that the radios are lit up for is also surely going to help battery life. There is very little on my phone that needs anything like constant updating so I'm certainly going to enable that feature as soon as I get my phone and see how it affects my user experience.

They usually say "Up to 1/1.5 hours more" but this time 5 hours is a serious claim. Maybe the Foxconn specs leak was right about the battery.
The leaks on the increase for the 2019 non-Max model were pretty consistent, about a 20 - 25% increase in battery capacity vs the 2018 model. For the 2019 Max model the rumours were varied with rumours split between a very modest increase and one other rumour I saw saying a similar 25%-ish increase to the non-Max rumoured increase. From looking at Apple's announced gains I would say the non-Max rumour was definitely true and for the Max it was the most optimistic (biggest increase) rumour that turned out to be correct. We'll find out soon enough when we see the tear-downs.
 

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Yea but how much is that down to using dark mode? And you’ll get dark mode on your Xs so may not be as big a difference as first appears.

With apple you always gotta be careful as they really know how to play people. Wait till people get them in hand and we find out what’s really going on. History backs this up.
Dark mode is not extending your battery more than 10-20 minutes, let alone 4-5 hours. The OLED dark mode savings are extremely overblown
 
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I suspect not. The extra numbers claimed are about 30% extra time vs last year's equivalents and given that this year the rumours have been for about 20 - 25% increase in battery capacity (we'll find out reality once we get the tear-downs) plus some very worthwhile reductions in power consumption of key components that were mentioned explicitly in the keynote, I can easily see that alone giving the announced gains. Also, they are saying those numbers are compared to last year's phones so if iOS 13 dark mode adds an hour say just for dark mode, surely they would need to be comparing it with a 2018 phone also running iOS 13 so the dark mode gains would cancel out? And finally, the numbers they tend to talk about here are things like video playback time, those are certainly the numbers you can see bumped up significantly on Apple's own spec sheet for the 11-Pro series, and when playing video on a loop light or dark mode won't be a factor at all.

By the way, although I don't think they are factoring in efficiencies from iOS 13 since those would also benefit 2018 phones, another nice extra for some of us might be the new iOS13 "Low Data Mode" feature (search for it on this page - https://www.apple.com/uk/ios/ios-13/features/). I don't know if third-party app vendors need to opt into it but anything that might reduce the time that the radios are lit up for is also surely going to help battery life. There is very little on my phone that needs anything like constant updating so I'm certainly going to enable that feature as soon as I get my phone and see how it affects my user experience.


The leaks on the increase for the 2019 non-Max model were pretty consistent, about a 20 - 25% increase in battery capacity vs the 2018 model. For the 2019 Max model the rumours were varied with rumours split between a very modest increase and one other rumour I saw saying a similar 25%-ish increase to the non-Max rumoured increase. From looking at Apple's announced gains I would say the non-Max rumour was definitely true and for the Max it was the most optimistic (biggest increase) rumour that turned out to be correct. We'll find out soon enough when we see the tear-downs.
I think you’ll find apple is notorious for playing the figures.
The new iPhone is heavier so maybe it’s more battery as well. If you want a heavier iPhone (I certainly don’t) you’ll get one with better battery life.
I still think they are playing the figures though to give the illusion of the greatest increase. It’s what apple does. It’s all marketing to get your money.
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Dark mode is not extending your battery more than 10-20 minutes, let alone 4-5 hours. The OLED dark mode savings are extremely overblown
I haven’t tried it so don’t know. Only 10-20 minutes longer? Wow that’s not good at all.
 

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Note: All my numbers on this post are screen-on time.
First: Apple’s stats for the non-plus, bezel devices are insanely overblown. They quote, for example, 12 hours of Internet use for the iPhone 8, 11 hours for the 6s. I have used the 6s for three years, on iOS 9 the whole time, and it got 8-9 hours. Never more than 9, and I’m not a heavy user.
The battery on the iPhone 8 isn’t that much better than my previous 6s, or so I’ve seen, but it can’t get 12 hours on-screen. No way. I would guess that it’s around the same my 6s gets on iOS 9.
I used a 7+ on iOS 10 extensively. It got 10-12. Apple quotes 13. Overblown by around 1.5 hours (keep in mind I’m a light user, I don’t play games on my phone, nor do I use something like Facebook. I don’t even use social media. My numbers are, I would guess, as high as you’re going to get with all on-screen time).
Apple quotes 15 for the Xʀ, I got 10.5 on 40% remaining, I guess, taking previous iPhones’ history into account, that I would have gotten at least 14 hours. I haven’t used my Xʀ extensively yet, but let’s assume 13-14. Slightly lower.
Apple doesn’t quote internet use for the new phones, but it’s generally one hour below the video playback quote.
So, 17 hours for the 11 Pro, 19 for the 11 Pro Max (absurd naming scheme, by the way).
I won’t get the new devices, but assuming this is all true, I would expect 15-16 hours on the xs2, and 17-18 on the xs2 Max with my usage. Pretty nice.

Now, regarding my personal thoughts and use-case on the matter: the battery on the 7+ on iOS 10 was enough, anything higher is obviously better but the real-life implications, for me, are nearly zero. The Xʀ lasts more than my 7+ on iOS 10, but if it lasted the same as the 7+, I’d be equally happy.