Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Microsoft was on the right track IMO, but the hardware and software had not matured enough. iOS was necessary due to size, weight, battery life, etc so it had to be a scaled down OS. Thankfully Microsoft has progressed on and provided a tablet as thin, light and battery life as the ipad without having to sacrifice having a full OS, and the surface line is gaining traction as one of their best selling divisions. I HIGHLY agree with you, the surface line would not have existed in it's current form if it wasn't for the competition from the ipad, but then again the ipad would not have existed in it's current form if not for the pioneering companies like Microsoft had done prior to that. At the end of the day technology isn't just a single company having ideas come out of nowhere, it's more of a conglomeration and constant refining of ideas and Apple has proven themselves the masters of that. All of those other ideas would have came around eventually, and we can only surmise what ideas did NOT make it because of Apple. Things like stylus support, or something as insanely evolutionary as continuum which is the complete opposite direction Apple takes with iOS, these things wouldn't exist without other companies innovating, and in spite of Apple not implementing them. I definitely recognize the incredible job Apple did in single handedly making the tablet ubiquitous, but at the same time lament the dumbification of the tablet as a computer because of the ipad.

Plus I had an email client on my windows tablets, not sure which one you used. I do see Apple as very innovative, but at the same time they bank a lot on marketing and brand loyalty which puts blinders on many. Apple's genius is in this strategy, convincing their customers they need 3 devices, a smartphone, a tablet and a computer so they can rake in triple the profit, sheer genius.


My comments about no email client were relating only to the Kin and Courier, products that never saw the light of day for consumers. MS engineers argued with Gates they didn't need an email client when they could use webmail. The ridiculous belief that a tablet must have a full blown OS has been totally debunked. Has MS sold that many Surface tabs that proves this point? No. Apple realised that only a condensed version of OS X would work without the need for massive RAM or CPU hardware. It was a smart and innovative move, but people STILL argue for full blown OS's on tabs. History has proven you all wrong, no matter what you believe. The numbers do not lie.
 
What makes you say the PowerPC macs were superior.

Macs are PCs now. There is not advantage hardware wise.

The original Mac had the UI interface that the Windows couldn't touch. It had a much sharper, albeit smaller, black and white monitor. True you gave up color but you got much better text on the screen. Text with fonts and which was easier to read. Things like networking was built in, so you had built in stuff like instant chatting and you could set up your own server or blog type page. And this was in the early 90s. You could use a Mac Classic 2 in 1991 and the experience would be at least recognizable to your computing experience now. Windows was still a mess and it still looked like a low resolution mess.
 
My comments about no email client were relating only to the Kin and Courier, products that never saw the light of day for consumers. MS engineers argued with Gates they didn't need an email client when they could use webmail. The ridiculous belief that a tablet must have a full blown OS has been totally debunked. Has MS sold that many Surface tabs that proves this point? No. Apple realised that only a condensed version of OS X would work without the need for massive RAM or CPU hardware. It was a smart and innovative move, but people STILL argue for full blown OS's on tabs. History has proven you all wrong, no matter what you believe. The numbers do not lie.

There were many full windows tablets around, the TC1000 was one of my favorites and quite an awesome tablet. The courier was never released to my knowledge so I'd hardly call it a failure, lest we delve into Apple's unreleased products and call them "failures" also. The Kin was awful, even if the iPhone didn't exist the Kin would have bombed it was so bad.

As for "the ridiculous belief that a tablet must have a full blown OS has been totally debunked" that's not true in the least. The surface tablets are doing quite well and are very profitable for MS, demonstrating a 117% increase in revenue. Yes that's a very small amount compared to the iPad but it is very good progress and it's reflecting a very short time in relation to the surface 3 release which is a much cheaper, and better battery life tablet which should be more popular with the non enterprise crowd. You couldn't pry my full blown OS out of my hands ever, I would never go back to an iPad in a million years. I don't expect that sentiment to be the majority of the market, but I do predict it will be enough of the market to give Microsoft a decent portion of the market. Something like continuum seals the deal, it's such an incredible concept for computing. Dock your tablet (or smartphone!!!) into your full monitor/keyboard/mouse setup at home and work and enjoy a "full blown OS", no desktop or laptop required. Simply amazing. And the iPad doesn't even have mouse support, lol.

Anyhow my point isn't to denigrate the iPad, there are plenty of consumers who just want email, to look at pictures, YouTube, and play games. The cool thing is the windows tablets can do that ALSO so there is no downside to having a full blown OS. No downside in size, thinness, weight, battery life, etc. The app market is more robust on Apple's side so that's a decision a consumer has to make if certain apps are more important, and it's great that consumers have the ability to decide. Personally I think having dual natured apps is the way to go, when in tablet/phone mode the app acts like an app on a small touchscreen, when docked it acts as a full desktop program with a mouse.

So no, history has not proven me wrong, looking at the profit spreadsheets it's actually proven me quite correct, "the numbers don't lie". Apple did the right thing, they released an incredible tablet that was thin, light and had long battery life but to do it they had to massively water down the OS, a necessary evil. Times have changed and a watered down OS is no longer required, but to put OSx on a tablet would mean sales of desktop and laptops would suffer. Don't kid yourself on Apple's motives.
 
And you make judgements on character flaws of people you have never even met. So in your judgement wouldn't that make you a jerk?

Right... I'm sure all these movies are based on meeting Steve Jobs. The book he personally authorized has been dismissed by his buddies at Apple.

I'm not making a character judgment. I'm making a point about people dismissing jerk behavior because money. If you don't see that behavior on the web in these types of conversations, maybe you're part of the problem. But then I've never met you. I've also never met any of the other people written about throughout history, nor did many of the authors of such books and articles and studies...

But keep going with your redirection logic fallacy if you like.
 
Alex Gibney makes great documentaries. The recent Scientology one was very good. He also did the Enron one which is one of my favorites.

I have also enjoyed several of Gibney's documentaries: Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room, Client 9: The Rise and Fall of Eliot Spitzer, and The Armstrong Lie.

However, this review of Steve Jobs: The Man In the Machine gives me cause for concern. Here's an excerpt:

ReThink Review -- Steve Jobs: The Man In the Machine -- An Apple Hater's Manifesto

...Steve Jobs: The Man In the Machine
, from Oscar-winning director Alex Gibney, a man I've interviewed in the past and whose work I greatly respect.

That's why it really bums me out that The Man In the Machine makes little attempt to portray someone who was, by most accounts, a complex, iconic, but all-too-flawed man who, over the course of his career, could be both inventor and thief, monk and businessman, brat and sage, tyrant and beloved leader, and managed to use those conflicting traits to both change the world and create the most valuable, influential, and admired company on the planet. Instead, The Man In the Machine is focused largely on the thesis that Jobs was always and only a jerk, that people who enjoy Apple products and admire Jobs are idiots and cult members, and that the computer revolution that was born of Jobs' vision must inevitably contain the same ugly darkness Gibney feels is Jobs' defining trait, despite any evidence to the contrary.
 
I have also enjoyed several of Gibney's documentaries: Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room, Client 9: The Rise and Fall of Eliot Spitzer, and The Armstrong Lie.

However, this review of Steve Jobs: The Man In the Machine gives me cause for concern.

Sounds like Gibney is another professional content creator not happy with and betrayed by Job's pursuit of mobile toys for the masses and abandonment of the pro market. Certainly not the only person whose livlihood depended upon Apple not happy with the man and his direction in his last years. It is easy to ascribe the negatives of greed and cult leader leanings to someone who choose a ton of money over servicing a highly loyal and highly invested high end customer base that had given Apple COMPUTERS much of their innovative cachet for decades.

While some of this damage has been mitigated somewhat in recent years, Apple will never regain the trust or the share of the market it had in Hollywood and among pro content creators.
 
  • Like
Reactions: bobob
But the ones who survive....do the work of their lifetime. No?
q.v.: Whiplash

Tough teachers/coaches/managers/senseis are out of fashion at the moment, but there's no arguing that they can get the job done (if their pupils, as you say, survive).
 
My medical school forced, ahem, "strongly advised" us to get a Mac laptop to run their crappy software back in the late 90's. I paid waaay too much for it, and the hinge broke on it within the first few months (it was a common problem with that model). I swore I'd never buy another Apple product ever again!
Were you successful?
 
I watched this film today, it didn't reveal anything I didn't already know about Steve and I expect most here who've been a fan of Apple for the past decade would know as well.

Steve was a flawed human being that's pretty much the tl;dr of the documentary and it's not shining a light on anything new.
 
Well at least one thing's for sure - - Edison was a saint!

Edison,_the_Man_FilmPoster.jpeg
 
  • Like
Reactions: pdaholic
Well at least one thing's for sure - - Edison was a saint!

Edison,_the_Man_FilmPoster.jpeg

A Saintly bastard. He made jobs look like mother Theresa ;-), except saint mother Theresa was by all account herself a bastard... Oh well... Maybe, all icons are just as flawed as the rest of us! Humans!
 
  • Like
Reactions: bobob
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.