First Vehicles With Next-Generation Apple CarPlay Announced Ahead of 2024 Launch

[Sevendaymelee]

I use to think CarPlay was futuristic until I got a Tesla. Now it just feels like a flip phone. My daughter uses it in her ICE car, and it's like... no.

Until Apple builds their own car, I won't be using it.

 

[Onelifenofear]

Which is increasingly a reason to not own a Tesla.

It not a reason really...I'd love it and you can have pretty lock solid hack to get it on there with warranty voiding.

But it does need its own App Store. Missing stuff like audible and various media apps... BBC. Paramount etc... we did just get Apple Podcasts todays update though... so that's good.

 

[Iconoclysm]

That doesn't address Skyscraperfan's point, though, which was about the aesthetic. I like using Carplay when I need it, and it moving with me, in my configuration, from car to car, is definitely a plus, though that is an exceedingly rare need. But I like the aesthetic of the Porsche display more. It also happens that for the majority of my use-cases, it also happens to function perfectly fine for me, as well, limiting my Carplay use to edge cases where I'm messaging or using a 3rd party nav app.

True, but I meant to infer that every car company out there has a sub par software experience that is inconsistent from car to car even from the same manufacturer. Tesla is the best at it, and I still think their software is weak. We all have a pocket sized device that has more than a dozen times more power than any car compute units, and you can't upgrade that without buying another car.

A better alternative would be for car manufacturers to make alt display apps of their own that only work with their cars but run on your phone hardware, utilizing better mobility functions, shared subscriptions, and apps...or just work with two of the biggest software companies in the world to do it for you.

 

[Iconoclysm]

It not a reason really...I'd love it and you can have pretty lock solid hack to get it on there with warranty voiding.

But it does need its own App Store. Missing stuff like audible and various media apps... BBC. Paramount etc... we did just get Apple Podcasts todays update though... so that's good.

Two people in this thread have already claimed they will not buy a Tesla for this reason. So yeah, it's REALLY a reason.

 

[toobravetosave]

The entire point of Android Auto and CarPlay was to stop people from looking at that little screen in your hand. This disables nearly anything that requires reading, puts anything you do look at (like the map) in the place that was designed to keep you looking at the road while doing so. The opposition to this really isn't thinking of the alternative.

I have no opposition to a map being presented on a screen but we have now gone so far down the rabbit hole that you need to be distracted by the screens again just to adjust the temperature

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Two people in this thread have already claimed they will not buy a Tesla for this reason. So yeah, it's REALLY a reason.

I'm in the market for an electric, and it's a reason (one of a few) that I'm not considering a Tesla.

I do wonder if Android will have an equivalent, or anything, in these vehicles. The wife and I's current vehicles have both CarPlay and Android auto.. I have an iPhone, and she uses Pixel.

CarPlay is pretty buggy, too.

 

[Iconoclysm]

I have no opposition to a map being presented on a screen but we have now gone so far down the rabbit hole that you need to be distracted by the screens again just to adjust the temperature

"Hey Siri, set the temperature to 72" is even less distracting. Especially if you often drive rental cars with controls that could be who knows where.

 

[toobravetosave]

"Hey Siri, set the temperature to 72" is even less distracting. Especially if you often drive rental cars with controls that could be who knows where.

"OK, applying parking brake"

 

[hagar]

way better than tesla's junky, buggy software. can't wait to throw it away and get a porsche.

How do you know it’s better? The only point of reference is the current CarPlay and that’s buggy as hell.

(Not necessarily blaming Apple here, could also be the car manufacturers)

 

[Iconoclysm]

I'm in the market for an electric, and it's a reason (one of a few) that I'm not considering a Tesla.

I do wonder if Android will have an equivalent, or anything, in these vehicles. The wife and I's current vehicles have both CarPlay and Android auto.. I have an iPhone, and she uses Pixel.

I'm not sure what the Google/Android strategy is. Android Auto isn't directly in competition with Android Automotive, but I feel like Android Automotive is the safer bet to keep their foot in the door in the car. So Android runs the OS layer with a consistent base, and CarPlay is the skin over that.

 

[Iconoclysm]

"OK, applying parking brake"

That is hilarious...but not possible.

 

[guzhogi]

The problem is these days that the infotainment system is so tied in to the rest of the car, Toyota were actually quite late changing to this style of integrated system, other manufacturers were 3 or for generations ahead of them.

Understandable. I don't entirely like it, but I understand it.

 

[ender21]

"OK, applying parking brake"

Except that doesn't actually happen.

Note, the last time the driver didn't have to look away from the road in order to adjust climate, this is what climate controls looked like:

I'm just guessing but I'd say the majority of users on this site don't have climate controls that look like this anymore, which means those drivers are looking away from the road to adjust, even without touch screens.

 

[Iconoclysm]

How do you it’s better? The only point of reference is the current CarPlay and that’s buggy as hell.

(Not necessarily blaming Apple here, could also be the car manufacturers)

It's definitely mostly the car manufacturers, many of them tried to cheap out with non-touch displays and under powering their USB chipsets in the early days. Or hamstringing CarPlay unless you bought their best infotainment packages, which then add subscriptions on top of CarPlay. It's a freaking mess.

 

[mattopotamus]

I use to think CarPlay was futuristic until I got a Tesla. Now it just feels like a flip phone. My daughter uses it in her ICE car, and it's like... no.

Until Apple builds their own car, I won't be using it.

I sorta feel the same way. The CarPlay UI seems childish for lack of a better word in comparison.

 

[dguisinger]

No thanks... I've had too many connection issues with Car Play... I'm guessing its 50/50 for who to blame, buggy software on both sides. Apple needs to figure out how to fix their software instead of marketing bullet points being all about adding useless emojis to iOS updates.

 

[toobravetosave]

Except that doesn't actually happen.

Note, the last time the driver didn't have to look away from the road in order to adjust climate, this is what climate controls looked like:
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I'm just guessing but I'd say the majority of users on this site don't have climate controls that look like this anymore, which means those drivers are looking away from the road to adjust, even without touch screens.

I don't need to look to adjust the 1 knob that controls temperature in my car...nor must I look at the knob that controls the fan speed...and the glance plus adjusting of the fan direction knob is significantly faster than on a touch screen

 

[Mac Fly (film)]

Tesla needed to double up on that glass because people were complaining of their soundproofing not meeting their competition. They have really had to learn the hard way that people notice things like fit and finish in a nearly $100k car (S and X). Their decision to not use Lidar because it's too expensive is the scariest cost cutting I've ever seen (not that I've seen a lot lol).

Yes, and I would say beyond the overly firm suspension the next complaint for Teslas is the complete lack of physical controls for the everyday basic functions such as HVAC, which two multi-function dials would be great for.

 

[hagar]

It's definitely mostly the car manufacturers, many of them tried to cheap out with non-touch displays and under powering their USB chipsets in the early days. Or hamstringing CarPlay unless you bought their best infotainment packages, which then add subscriptions on top of CarPlay. It's a freaking mess.

I don’t know. My iPhone screen freezes when I plug it into my Mercedes. Even if the problem is with Mercedes, it shouldn’t freeze the iPhone.

 

[james2538]

I’m not a fan of touchscreen controls for everything (I hate it in my Ford Mach-E) but if I’m forced to use them by manufacturers I’d prefer Apple design them

 

[Mac Fly (film)]

I’m not a fan of touchscreen controls for everything (I hate it in my Ford Mach-E) but if I’m forced to use them by manufacturers I’d prefer Apple design them

I agree. One of the reason I don't like eBook readers is the overly small displays and terrible software. Even touch targets are too small. It's quite frustrating. Apple had no controls on the AirPods Max during development and eventually figured out that adding a physical button and a dial really made the product that much better that it was needed. That's how I feel about Tesla dashboard. Even just two multi-dials before the wireless chargers could make a huge difference. The ID.2 prototype has that, albeit one dial, for it's a small car.

Notice the black gloss around the dial, just to piss me and people like me off, lol. BTW those charing pads in the ID.2 with be Qi2, and one of the back of each seat for rear passengers also. VW said this during the presentation.

 

[CloneBB]

but what about safety. GM dropped CarPlay because they claimed that it wasn't safe .

The only that isn’t safe is GMs share price.

 

[james2538]

That’s nice… hopefully it comes to more affordable / attainable cars soon.

The original wired CarPlay made it to mainstream models pretty quickly. One of the first cars to get it was actually the Kia Soul!

 

[philstubbington]

Is this only available for new cars? Hoping it’ll work with existing models too….

 

[james2538]

I am just afraid of what will happen when there will be an update issue, or the end of support. My cars are all more than 10 years old, the previous one went more than 20 years before dying, how can I expect similar reliable longevity from any mobile OS ?

That’s what Apple sold as one of the main benefits to CarPlay when introducing it. Under the idea you upgrade your phone a lot more often than your vehicle.

So the brains reside in the phone, with the vehicle just providing a display.

We’re going on 9 years from the first CarPlay models being on the road and I haven’t heard about any issues.