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Reasons to go with the more expensive MBP...

anim8or said:
I really dont see why your average student, who will most likely use the laptop for writing essays, surfing the internet, listening to music and using iLife apps, needs the power of a MacBook Pro, even for gaming it seems like overkill!

A Macbook should suffice in those stakes...Stop wasting our money on the Pro model just because you think you need it!

I'd pay more for the extras you get with a MBP 17":
- 8x DL Superdrive (currently, I expect these specs to update)
- Firewire 800 (External drives. I tell you, in 1 years time, you will want Firewire 800 rates) and more USB2/FW
- CPUs - Faster
- Storage - Bigger
- Battery life - Longer
- Graphics
- More future proof basically.

As said before, time proofing. I'm on an old laptop running XP. The reason it's lasted so long was that it was a decent spec when bought. You say they think they need it, I say I think they will too. And whilst some might need the power now, they will have it later on, as the world demands more from the laptop.

I would say that waiting for Rev B versions is going to be a much more painful/comfortable wait now that Intel is on board. Product cycles will be smaller for Apple, i.e. updates more frequently. Apple might easily use this to add small changes to speed bumps/chip bumps etc it does. So you're going to enjoy smaller waits till THAT "tuesday", but you're going to have more frequent revisions equalling mini-dilemmas in terms of purchasing (which it seems many of those that post on the boards have/have had). It's interesting, research on purchasing has shown that a lot of time before the purchase for a purchaser, is actually spent with them reassuring themselves they're making the right decision. Forum boards here are harsher, as you can ask for a confirmation of your thoughts just before purchasing, and hear contradicatory but still equally valid arguments).

All mac buyers are equal, but some Mac buyers are more equal than others? Do you really know what students do with their laptops? I'd say there are a fair few that know how to max out even a new MBP / Mac Pro 😀
 
axboi87 said:
Whatever happened to macs being twice as fast as the best pc's. Whatever happened to Apple Commercials apologizing for smoking the pentium with the powerpc. Apple's only selling point now is casing and the operating system, and now they can't even keep up with the latest stuff everyone else has. Sadness...

Macs were only twice as fast as the best PCs in the minds of the marketing department. Apple's selling point is the same as it always was, it just has a different brand of chip in it. PCs still get ravaged with viruses. PCs still run a shoddy operating system. Vista won't change that. Apple still has time. 🙂
 
axboi87 said:
Whatever happened to macs being twice as fast as the best pc's. Whatever happened to Apple Commercials apologizing for smoking the pentium with the powerpc. Apple's only selling point now is casing and the operating system, and now they can't even keep up with the latest stuff everyone else has. Sadness...

Both IBM and Motorolla came to the conclusion that they weren't making a whole lot of money off the Mac and did the least amount possible. to sell a couple chips.
 
t0mat0 said:
I'd pay more for the extras you get with a MBP 17":
- 8x DL Superdrive (currently, I expect these specs to update)
- Firewire 800 (External drives. I tell you, in 1 years time, you will want Firewire 800 rates) and more USB2/FW
- CPUs - Faster
- Storage - Bigger
- Battery life - Longer
- Graphics
- More future proof basically.

"More future proof" is a stupid line of thinking when it comes to computers, I used to think that too, and rigged up a dual proc workstation complete with 4GB of ECC memory and hardware RAID 5 controllers, it was pretty good, but today you can get that same grade of performance for what.... less than A$900?

$900 could barely have gotten me a workstation board and then some back in the day, today it got me the whole shebang complete with everything.
 
generik said:
"More future proof" is a stupid line of thinking when it comes to computers...
I used to think that too, and rigged up a dual proc workstation complete with 4GB of ECC memory and hardware RAID 5 controllers, it was pretty good, but today you can get that same grade of performance for what.... less than A$900?

$900 could barely have gotten me a workstation board and then some back in the day, today it got me the whole shebang complete with everything.

True - now you can buy more for less. I agree trying to future proof too much makes little financial sense over the long term, as you're paying through the nose for bleeding edge technology. But something that's less capableof being upgraded? Reselling whilst there is not too much depreciation helps.
e.g. External DVD drives early on, now you can get 18x internal drives...
Moore's Law more or less works for bang per buck.

You can play the field for working out if the depreciation rate is worse/better for a full specced laptop (the more you can config/upgrade the PC, the harder the calculation becomes)

Your dual proc is still able to work fine now though, right? And it's how many years? If you have a yearly budget say for a PC, then you can do small upgrades/resell old kit, or do less frequent bigger updates... Horses for courses 🙂
 
That's probably what's really driving Apple

sonstone said:
I'm less concerned about actual ship dates as I am about pricing. New chips usually means the older ones get cheaper. I don't want to buy a machine now only to find out that there is a price cut in 2 weeks.

As soon as they do release machines with the new Core 2 Duos, the value of existing models in inventory drops. This may have been a production decision to manage the existing inventory to some level. If that's the case, I can't see them waiting too long. I'd think we'll have new machines by mid-month, and they should be in stores when they make the announcement.

They could think that the cost of lost sales by not releasing earlier is offset by potential loss in value of inventory on hand.
 
Question:
Average Student = ??? I'm totally curious what you mean. Average = Business major? English Major? Sociology Major? IT Major? CS Major? ???

Comment:
I think those of us frothing for MBP's with C2D are doing so because we're out of the normal student lanes. Those folks are already snatching up MacBooks and quite happy with them. Hence shipment delays.

Me?:
STS PhD Candidate who works on an open source - cross platform game engine. Waiting for my C2D MBP.

People wanting C2D in straight MacBooks are waiting for the wrong reasons, unless you've got time to burn.

anim8or said:
I really dont see why your average student, who will most likely use the laptop for writing essays, surfing the internet, listening to music and using iLife apps, needs the power of a MacBook Pro, even for gaming it seems like overkill!

A Macbook should suffice in those stakes, and the games on mac are not brilliant i would never say i was a macgamer only a gamer who uses his mac for games. With the money saved from buying a MacBook, then said gamer could buy a PS2 or XBOX, etc!
 
axboi87 said:
Whatever happened to macs being twice as fast as the best pc's. Whatever happened to Apple Commercials apologizing for smoking the pentium with the powerpc. Apple's only selling point now is casing and the operating system, and now they can't even keep up with the latest stuff everyone else has. Sadness...

Oh my god! We've been PWNED by a troll! 🙄

dbit said:
I agree that Apple will go down if they don't keep up. Maybe they'll become a novelty cell phone/ipod manufacturer.

Honestly Apple, I want to stay loyal. I pay a premium for your machines and software. PLEASE adjust to the industry standard timelines that your new agreement with Intel has brought about.

If "Think Different" starts meaning "play with your consumers in order to flaunt your ego to your competitors" it's really doing nobody any good.

Just be a little patient. An announcement does not equal availablity. We'll probably all have the opportunity to get our new C2D MBP's, or whatever else they decide to release the merom, at the same time or around the same time as every other C2D PC system out there.

Vilifying a company for not conforming to your standards will just frustrate you again and again.

anim8or said:
I really dont see why your average student, who will most likely use the laptop for writing essays, surfing the internet, listening to music and using iLife apps, needs the power of a MacBook Pro, even for gaming it seems like overkill!

With it's current graphics chip, a MBP isn't that sufficient for gaming these days, let alone a regular MB. Of course, that depends upon what you want to play. But I know that my MBP is going to have problems keeping up with my gaming desires. Bye, bye Crysis. 🙁 But the benefits of having a MBP outweigh what I may be losing.

But I do agree that most college students probably don't need much more than a MB.
 
HecubusPro said:
Just be a little patient. An announcement does not equal availablity. We'll probably all have the opportunity to get our new C2D MBP's, or whatever else they decide to release the merom, at the same time or around the same time as every other C2D PC system out there.
There have already been reports of and links to systems with C2D that are on the shelf in retail stores.
 
HecubusPro said:
Oh my god! We've been PWNED by a troll! 🙄


Its funny that you'd want to point out that someone is a troll when you've been a member of these forums for a week. I personally think you're overdosing a tad on macrumors. Once you start dreaming of Ms.'Conroe' bringing over fresh 'woodcrests' topped with 'merom' coated chip, and sprinkled with a light 'santa rosa' mix, its time to step away from the screen.
 
knucles said:
yep man; you could be right but i am 19; i am not rich and i will buy a mbp, why?

because i need renders for architecture

I agree with you whole heartedly, but if you notice i wrote 'your average student'.

I do appreciate that students in the creative field NEED a MBP simply for the reasons you have outlined....

...i too am a creative student and therefor know the need for bigger screens and higher spec. graphics etc.

Apologies to those i offended with my post but imsure students in the creative industries would agree with me that your average word processing student does apply a little overkill.

PS When i say average student i dont mean any offence as in work rate i just mean using that laptop to its fullest potential.

I know people who spend 1000s of £$£$£$ on MacBook Pros, Powerbooks etc just because of the social value macs carry right now.

You have to remember that everyone out there who want a Merom MBP is dying on apple announcing them and would be gutted if they should be delayed in gettign one due to shortage.... ...something that is very likely to happen.
 
lessthandmb said:
Its funny that you'd want to point out that someone is a troll when you've been a member of these forums for a week. I personally think you're overdosing a tad on macrumors. Once you start dreaming of Ms.'Conroe' bringing over fresh 'woodcrests' topped with 'merom' coated chip, and sprinkled with a light 'santa rosa' mix, its time to step away from the screen.

Oh, I don't disagree with your assessment too much, but that's the great thing about a community forum. It's a community. And people either accept you, or they don't. What comes with being accepted is sticking to the topic that is being discussed and speaking on it in a somewhat intelligent manner. Just because I've been here for a short time doesn't mean I don't have anything to contribute to the conversation. It also doesn't mean I haven't been coming to this site for a long time reading the rumors pages and the forums.

That poster had one post. I know it all starts with one post, but he had one post and in my opinion (which run rife on the internet) he had nothing intelligent to contribue to the conversation other than stirring up s**t. Should I have responded to the comment? Perhaps not, but I did (maybe it had something to do with just having woken up.)

I appreciate your comment, but if you've read any of my posts, you'd know I'm not intersted in conroe, woodcrest, or santa rosa. I'm only interested in a merom MBP. Don't presume to know what I think or dream about. I am excited about the posibility of having a new C2D MBP, but no more or less than a lot of people on here. From that excitement comes a desire for new information and discussion with other people who are interested in the same thing. Will I stop posting once I get my MBP? No. Will I post less? Probably. But honestly, and again, thanks for your comment, what I will and won't do is none of your business.

I had merged my post with comments not just about that post/poster, but other topics related to the issue. All your post did was try to point out I'm "overdosing" as you say, and that I commented that someone was a troll, yet you didn't offer anything relevant to the conversation.

So if I offended your sensibilities by calling someone a troll, having only been a member of this forum for a little over a week, I appologize. I also appologize to the axbio87 if I offended him for calling him a troll.

danny_w said:
There have already been reports of and links to systems with C2D that are on the shelf in retail stores.

Now that I didn't know, and thanks for the links. My hope now is that we'll hear something from Apple on Tuesday, though I'm still thinking it won't be until the Paris expo.

Also, I saw this on a page linked from AppleInsider...

MacBook Pro are also EOL?
A report from a french student who wanted to buy a MBPro thanks to the Special Deal "MIPE":

Yesterday, August 30th, I have placed an order for a MB Pro 2.0GHz via the Special Deal "MIPE" from the French AppleStore Education. Today, while checking the status, I have seen that my MBPro was not mentioned anymore in my chart; but the other products I have ordered were still there on the list. So I have tried to add a new MB Pro to my current order, but I was unsuccessful.
So I called the French AppleStore (0800-046-046), and I was told that Apple ran out of stocks for the MBPro, the expected shipping delay is 3 to 5 weeks.
 
Merom MBPs

AidenShaw said:
There's always a next Tuesday, even on Tuesday !

I'd say it's either this Tuesday or next. I'd like it to be this Tuesday. I'd think Apple marketing would want to spread the good news by releasing a MBP update on a different day as a mini or ipod change. That would point to today!

I was just looking at the history of the MBP releases, and the last two updates have occured on a Tuesday, right about 9:00 AM EST. So what do you think. Are we due in a couple of hours? Will we at the store at 9:00 this morning?
 
This is really confusing......!!!

MBP are suppose to be upgrade with C2D, after we got rumors about a mini upgrade !!! Now imacs are in line to be upgraded !!! and eventually the MB !!! how could apple release all new upgrades for all of these products !!! And that should happen the same day ??? the 12th .....!!!

THAT SEEMS TO ME PRETTY AMAZING AND NOT VERY REAL !!!

BUT then we will see what happens .....!!!

Hope we still got a chance today that something shows up !!!

😉 😀 😉 😀 😉 🙂 🙂
 
louden said:
I was just looking at the history of the MBP releases, and the last two updates have occured on a Tuesday, right about 9:00 AM EST. So what do you think. Are we due in a couple of hours? Will we at the store at 9:00 this morning?

was that one of the same days when the macbooks were released? if so, the UK store went down at precisely 7:00 AM EST on that Tuesday. getting a little a late at this point.
 
The 12th it is

tekmoe said:
was that one of the same days when the macbooks were released? if so, the UK store went down at precisely 7:00 AM EST on that Tuesday. getting a little a late at this point.

Oh welll.. I will be so bold as to predict new MacBook Pros (or is it MacBooks Pro?) next Tuesday...
 
Everyone is at the online store refreshing it and waiting for it to go offline...that seems to have made it go offline, but not for new products lol 😉
 
hmmm

MacSA said:
Everyone is at the online store refreshing it and waiting for it to go offline...that seems to have made it go offline, but not for new products lol 😉

If we were all adding items to a shopping cart - that might create a bottleneck, but just to view a web page? Something's up... MBP?
 
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