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……and only 5 mostly old native games to show the Mac’s gaming.

Apple can‘t do AAA gaming.

They ought to leave that to those in the games industry to head a dedicated AAA games division within the company and change the corporate culture.
 
Talk about old crappy games!! You don’t buy a Mac to play games…
Yep and until Mac gamers are will to accept Apple can’t do AAA games, then they can either accept this or push Apple to do far better.

Let’s stop defending/excusing Apple and demand better or Apple will not bother to do better.
 
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I bet the same people who complain about expensive Macs and lack of games will spend thousands to buy the next gen AMD/NVIDIA GPUs (if they can find one) and 1000W PSUs to power them and get an extra job to pay the electric bill just to play the latest titles. Yeah, buy a pc for gaming. ?

 
What a hysterical article. Nobody, and I mean nobody who is even remotely serious about gaming gets anywhere near a Mac. Macs are not for gaming.
It's about to change with Apple Silicon though.

A game optimized for M1 Max and Metal can outperform any mid-range gaming PC. That's crazy, considering it's on a laptop.

It's just a matter of time before the graphic performance of even an entry-level Mac can match that of a one to two-year-old high-end GPU from AMD or Nvidia. And it's just a matter of time before people start waking up to that fact.

x86 chips just can't compete with Apple Silicon and they're falling off the list of the fastest chips, fast.
 
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It's about to change with Apple Silicon though.

A game optimized for M1 Max and Metal can outperform any mid-range gaming PC. That's crazy, considering it's on a laptop.

It's just a matter of time before the graphic performance of even an entry-level Mac can match that of a one to two-year-old high-end GPU from AMD or Nvidia. And it's just a matter of time before people start waking up to that fact.

x86 chips just can't compete with Apple Silicon and they're falling off the list of the fastest chips, fast.
on contra, m1 cannot fight the stability on x86 and the flexibility. i'm still doing work on intel imac instead m1
 
on contra, m1 cannot fight the stability on x86 and the flexibility. i'm still doing work on intel imac instead m1
I won't argue with you on flexibility. That's one reason I got the 2020 iMac instead of waiting for the rumoured new Apple Silicon-based iMac Pro.

As for stability, I'm not so sure. Do you mean for programming or for gaming?
 
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Shadow of the Tomb Raider - 2018
Metro Exodus - 2035 ;) - 2019
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided - 2019
A Total War Saga: Troy -2020 - Woohhh
Baldur's Gate 3 - 2020 - Woohhh²

These aren’t games to show off anything hardware related… but they are fine to play.
Really? I've frequently see Metro Exodus on lists of the most GPU-demanding games. For instance, PC Gamer lists Metro Exodus as no. 2 on its list of most graphically demanding games. And Gaming Cutter ranks it no. 1 on theirs.

So what's your basis for saying that it's not a game to show off anything hardware-related?



Do yourself a favor and don’t buy Macs for games…
That I'd agree with. If were a gamer, I'd buy a desktop PC. And games, plus a few specialized Windows-only programs I need to use on rare occasions, would probably be all I'd use it for.

But let's check back in five years or so...
 
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Can these fancy/schmantzy Mac's play some other games that I typically go to? Even older ones than the ones mentioned in this article.

Like Neverwinter Nights 1 & 2.
Elder Scrolls: Skyrim.
Any of the recent Madden football PC games.
 
I won't argue with you on flexibility. That's one reason I got the 2020 iMac instead of waiting for the rumoured new Apple Silicon-based iMac Pro.

As for stability, I'm not so sure. Do you mean for programming or for gaming?
software development - programming - homebrew issue
 
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M1 Max chip is very capable and power-efficient to the point it's comparable to the mainstream desktop CPU and GPU. It's nothing less than admiration for the hardware achievement.
I see. I read what you were saying wrong
 
It's about to change with Apple Silicon though.

A game optimized for M1 Max and Metal can outperform any mid-range gaming PC. That's crazy, considering it's on a laptop.

It's just a matter of time before the graphic performance of even an entry-level Mac can match that of a one to two-year-old high-end GPU from AMD or Nvidia. And it's just a matter of time before people start waking up to that fact.

x86 chips just can't compete with Apple Silicon and they're falling off the list of the fastest chips, fast.
No it won't. Apple has never gotten gaming and they never will. Everyone develops for Windows and for good reason. The hardware/software isn't gimped, is expandable, customizable among many many other reasons. That will never change despite what wool Apple tries to pull over its customer's eyes
 
No it won't. Apple has never gotten gaming and they never will. Everyone develops for Windows and for good reason. The hardware/software isn't gimped, is expandable, customizable among many many other reasons. That will never change despite what wool Apple tries to pull over its customer's eyes
macos is really low market round the world . ios maybe around 30% to 40% and some country 10% only. Unless apple open to open market then shall the market stick to that. Nobody want risk investment low margin unless to show off.
 
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"Oh Granny, what a big notch you have."
 
Im not an avid gamer, well maybe when i was younger, but now Im more a casual gamer and many years ago I stop thinking buying a mac for gaming but for my work!, photography and macOS/iOS development. For casual gaming, i enjoy it more on my series X.
I lost faith in mac gaming after starcraft 2 and diablo 3.
But seeing that m1 max performance on native games makes me wish i ordered the max instead of the pro. ?
 
Im not an avid gamer, well maybe when i was younger, but now Im more a casual gamer and many years ago I stop thinking buying a mac for gaming but for my work!, photography and macOS/iOS development. For casual gaming, i enjoy it more on my series X.
I lost faith in mac gaming after starcraft 2 and diablo 3.
But seeing that m1 max performance on native games makes me wish i ordered the max instead of the pro. ?
they suppose to market gaming in apple tv instead but the proc in apple tv. And not much gaming apps in apple tv.
 
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3. Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

However, with an M1 Max chip, the game can achieve an average of 70-80fps at 1080p resolution on High graphical settings, with an M1 Pro machine hitting around 50-60fps at the same settings. Switch to 1440p resolution and Deus Ex still manages a respectable (and highly playable) 45-55fps on M1 Max.

That is honestly not particularly impressive. On my already aging RTX 2070 Super, I get framerates about double of that under Windows.

All old games. Meh.
Baldur's Gate 3 - 2020 - Woohhh²

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Just recycled games!
Baldur's Gate 3 isn't even fully released yet. The game is still in Early Access.
 
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I admit it. M1 Max is as powerful as mobile RTX 3080 even with Rosetta 2. At this point, it's up to game developers to support Apple Silicon for native performance just like Baldur's Gate 3.
Nobody cares about the gaming performance on battery. None of those machines last even nearly long enough for that to matter. You want to game, you plug in. What next, gaming comparison with every possible power saving feature on, screen dimmed to 10% and using just the touchpad? Because that's how Real Gamers play!
 
These are so-so ports compiled for Intel Macs running on an emulation layer. Emulation layers typically have a performance hit, yet these games are performing as well as or better than they do on the hardware they were compiled for. A lot of folks are meh, but it makes me wonder what a well-optimized, M1-native AAA title could achieve.
Exactly. It makes me wonder. That doesn't change the fact that the listed games are meh and the performance listed is honestly a bit meh. That is, for actual gamer. If you play a bit every now and then for fun you don't need to turn all the settings to max and still expect close to 100fps.

It would've made more sense to post something like this when Apple had even one decent game to show. And maybe include these oldies for comparison. Now...meh.
 
It's about to change with Apple Silicon though.

A game optimized for M1 Max and Metal can outperform any mid-range gaming PC. That's crazy, considering it's on a laptop.

It's just a matter of time before the graphic performance of even an entry-level Mac can match that of a one to two-year-old high-end GPU from AMD or Nvidia. And it's just a matter of time before people start waking up to that fact.

x86 chips just can't compete with Apple Silicon and they're falling off the list of the fastest chips, fast.
Just no. What you think, who's gonna code for a proprietary gfx chip with a target audience not into games (or play elsewhere)?

Exaclty what happend with the PS3 and Cell. Only a few studios besides Sony could and were willing to code properly, the platform was full of bad ports, while it had a huge potential at the time and was the clear winner selling 80+ millions.

You see some similarities here?
 
Many of these games are not even native on Apple Silicon - why not promote some native games, such as the new Myst, which supports Apple Silicon and Metal natively?
 
All the 20 year old gamer boyz are in this thread in FORCE (why are they even on this website?)

As a 40 year old dad of a three year old that hasn’t had time to play any of these games yet… this is awesome! I don’t even own a console because I don’t have time for that.
Why the need to put down everyone who doesn't agree with your opinion? I'm very close to 50 and I've got two girls and I still agree with those 20yo "gamer boyz". The article was a poorly written piece of garbage. If you want to highlight the gaming capabilities of M1 macs you show off M1 optimized stuff. Not emulated 3-year-old games that still perform only semi-decently.

Mac has come a long way with the M1 cpus but I struggle to get the point of the article. Yes, you can play old games with medium settings. Yes, that's better than it was. Yes, there are so few gamers (and gaming capable macs) around that it's never going to change. There was some slight chance of having something happen when they had the same hardware as Windows machines. Now it'd require even more work from the gaming studios to come up with native games for Mac for all those 50 gamers wanting to play them. Why should they bother? They make more money forgetting Macs completely and concentrating on Windows. OR maybe the actual idea of the post was, that a few M CPU generations later they might actually be powerful enough to run Windows games through emulation, so Mac users would finally get more than 5 games to play?
 
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Just no. What you think, who's gonna code for a proprietary gfx chip with a target audience not into games (or play elsewhere)?

Exaclty what happend with the PS3 and Cell. Only a few studios besides Sony could and were willing to code properly, the platform was full of bad ports, while it had a huge potential at the time and was the clear winner selling 80+ millions.

You see some similarities here?
The difference is that today, many games are developed using third party game engines. Engines, such as Unreal Engine and Unity, support Apple Silicon and Metal, so supporting it should be relatively easy for developers using these kinds of engines.
 
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All the power of M1 Max, and no games to play with. Some may argue "Mac isn't made for gaming".. but then Apple spent the time and effort to design a 32-core GPU with 64GB unified RAM, just for FCP editing?
I've got plenty of video and photo material I need to edit, and that cannot happen fast enough. I couldn't care less about gaming on my Mac. I've got plenty of other platforms to do that in. And most of that is in VR.
 


If you're the proud owner of a new MacBook Pro, all things considered, gaming probably wasn't at the top of your priority list when you made the expensive purchase. Even so, when you're not doing resource-hungry work on your new high-end Mac, you can still have some fun with all that power under the hood. Granted, Macs aren't revered for their triple-A games catalog, but there are some popular titles worth firing up on your new machine, and you might just be surprised at how well they play.

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The following titles offer a taster of the gaming performance that Apple's latest M1 Pro and M1 Max chips can achieve, in some cases running code that isn't even optimized for Apple silicon. And with a little bit of luck, these impressive results might excite games developers and publishers enough for them to see the potential power of Apple's processors, and for us to see more triple-A titles ported to the Mac platform in future.

1. Shadow of the Tomb Raider

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Shadow of the Tomb Raider is one of the most high-performing games on Apple's custom chip architecture, despite not being an optimized Mac port that takes advantage of the macOS Metal graphics API. To play the game on Apple silicon, you need to run it through Apple's Rosetta translation layer.

Even so, the M1 Pro and M1 Max chips make light work of processing the complex outdoor environments and large draw distances of Shadow of the Tomb Raider, even when using the "High" graphics preset at 1080p, with the game averaging 50-60 frames per second on a 14-inch MacBook Pro with an M1 Pro chip.

As demonstrated by YouTuber MrMacRight, on a 16-inch MacBook Pro with an M1 Max chip, frame rates almost double at the same settings, while at 1140p resolution it's possible to achieve a sustained 50-60fps on the more powerful MacBook Pro chip if you switch the graphics to medium.

2. Metro Exodus

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One of the more recent triple-A game ports to macOS, Metro Exodus is one of the most impressive looking first-person shooters currently available on the Mac, and also one of the best performing on Apple silicon.

Even though the game requires Apple's Rosetta translation layer to run, the integrated graphics cores in the M1 Pro and M1 Max chips are well-equipped to deal with the effects-laden game engine, which makes extensive use of light and dark environments to deliver its blend of deadly combat, stealthy exploration, and survival horror. Frame rates average 40-50fps in native 1440p resolution on both chips, and run just shy of 100fps at 1080p.

3. Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

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Another macOS port that is still x86-only and therefore requires Arm translation via Rosetta, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is one of the more demanding games to come over to macOS, and Macs powered by Apple's first-generation M1 chip still struggle to run it at decent graphical settings.

However, with an M1 Max chip, the game can achieve an average of 70-80fps at 1080p resolution on High graphical settings, with an M1 Pro machine hitting around 50-60fps at the same settings. Switch to 1440p resolution and Deus Ex still manages a respectable (and highly playable) 45-55fps on M1 Max.

4. A Total War Saga: Troy

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Another Feral-developed title, A Total War Saga: Troy is the latest in the Total War RTS series and these games are traditionally considered CPU-intensive because of the sprawling land battles that need to be computed in real time.

Fortunately, Troy runs natively on Apple silicon, and the M1 Max clearly leverages the optimized code and achieves some blistering frame rates. At 1080p on high settings, the game consistently exceeds 100fps, while the M1 Pro manages 60-70fps at the same resolution.

5. Baldur's Gate 3

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Role-playing game Baldur's Gate 3 may not be officially released, but an early access version is available, which makes its performance on the latest MacBook Pro models all the more impressive given that the game isn't even finished yet.

Happily, the triple-A title runs natively on Apple silicon, and in 1080p resolution on Ultra settings, both the 14-inch M1 Pro and 16-inch M1 Max consistently hit 90-100fps.

At 1440p resolution, the action still regularly exceeds 100fps on an M1 Max machine where the M1 Pro sometimes flounders, fluctuating between 20-45fps. Even at 4K resolution on the "Ultra" graphics preset, the game stays in the buttery smooth 50-60fps zone on an M1 Max 16-inch MacBook Pro.

Other Titles Worth Considering

These are just some of the Mac games that enjoy increased performance on the new MacBook Pros. Other titles worth checking out include CounterStrike: GO, Hitman, Borderlands 3, and Fortnite.

If you're conversant with CrossOver, the compatibility layer that converts Windows graphics API calls into macOS compatible API calls, we've also heard titles like Witcher 3 and Grand Theft Auto V benefit from the extra graphics cores found in Apple's latest M1 Pro and M1 Max chips.

Have you found a game, new or old, that plays exceptionally well on the new MacBook Pros? Let us know in the comments.

Article Link: Five Games Worth Firing Up to Show Off Your New MacBook Pro
What about World Of Warcraft?
 
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