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What? Why is Apple Intelligence needed to record a call?
And then it’s so intelligent that when both parties use it, it can’t handle it properly and everyone will hear the same message twice lol omg this Apple Intelligence stuff is too funny
 
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Pretty soon talking will be too dangerous, and silence and 'bad vibes' will land you in jail.

But most people are safe from eye contact, their faces fixated on the phone
 
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I don't understand why anyone would do this when all you have to do is say, "Siri, call Eric Slivka". That's a lot easier than pecking at numbers.
I'd imagine for people who don't want to use their voice, and typing numbers or the name is pretty easy. This has been a thing on android for over a decade.
 
No, as my law professor explained it decades ago, it's "the law of where your feet are" when it comes to the person doing the recording.
Decades is a long time to rely on the possibly of referencing outdated laws. Ever think laws and the case law around those laws have been updated?

Was your law school professor referring to all states, a specific state and/or federal laws with regard to wiretapping or eavesdropping laws? Was your professor referring to criminal vs civil liabilities?

All of this is something that Apple would take into account when requiring notice to all parties being recorded and making it a feature within their software.

I've had cases where this arose as an issue within divorce litigation where the parties lived in different states from both a criminal and civil standpoint. Depending on the state this could mean the preclusion of evidence because it is deemed by a judge as an "illegal recording". It can also lead to criminal charges separate from the divorce action.

Without turning this into a CLE you can look at California as an example of why what you stated above is not accurate.

California is from from the only state with various, sometimes seemingly conflicting, laws with regard to single and all party consent. There are also various carve-outs within a general law in many states. Again, Apple would take all of that into account when making it decision about noticing all the parties on the line.
 
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What? Why is Apple Intelligence needed to record a call?
It's not. Only the summarization feature requires Apple Intelligence. Recording and transcribing are available on all devices.

The general iOS 18 preview page says "Phone. Record and transcribe a live call directly from the Phone app. You can also search call history more easily, dial smarter, and switch SIM cards seamlessly."

The Apple Intelligence page says "Just hit record in the Notes or Phone apps to capture audio recordings and transcripts. Apple Intelligence generates summaries of your transcripts, so you can get to the most important information at a glance."

I think people are getting confused because it happens to be in 18.1 and that's currently only in beta for AI-supported devices.

 
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I wonder how the spam/scam callers react to these phone recording features, if at all. Apparently recording will work for both outgoing and incoming calls.
 
Did they finally fix the voicemail app? Playing a voicemail is such a bad experience now. Is it on speaker mode or no? Can you scrub through the voicemail? Will it even play? Will it stop playing when you bring it up to your ear to listen?

It’s so buggy and has been for years.
 
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So it's the call initiator who states this call is being recorded, but what about a person who is BEING called? I want to be able to record a call from some weirdo who calls me and I want to record it. Is that not possible?
 
I will, once Siri doesn't call the wrong person 50% of the time. Siri can really do this, assuming that it understands the names, which it doesn't always. It depends on type of name, background noise, and unknown other factors whether Siri gets it right. I have some names in my contact list that Siri never understands.
Exactly + “Siri, call my (…it is not of your business who I am calling )” is not convenient when in a public space and needing to call someone quickly (ie doctor for your STD test result or whatever). Instead, with T9 it takes you 3-4 taps (if predictive T9, like the good ol’ Nokia days). But GenZ will learn the glory of T9 hopefully soon ;)
 
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I don't understand why anyone would do this when all you have to do is say, "Siri, call Eric Slivka". That's a lot easier than pecking at numbers.
Simple : You haven’t saved your pizzeria in your contacts, so each time you have to dial the full number. Now, you’d only need to enter the first three digits and get auto fill.
 
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It's not. Only the summarization feature requires Apple Intelligence. Recording and transcribing are available on all devices.

The general iOS 18 preview page says "Phone. Record and transcribe a live call directly from the Phone app. You can also search call history more easily, dial smarter, and switch SIM cards seamlessly."

The Apple Intelligence page says "Just hit record in the Notes or Phone apps to capture audio recordings and transcripts. Apple Intelligence generates summaries of your transcripts, so you can get to the most important information at a glance."

I think people are getting confused because it happens to be in 18.1 and that's currently only in beta for AI-supported devices.

They edited the article. It originally said call recording required Apple Intelligence, hence my comment.
 
Decades is a long time to rely on the possibly of referencing outdated laws. Ever think laws and the case law around those laws have been updated?

Was your law school professor referring to all states, a specific state and/or federal laws with regard to wiretapping or eavesdropping laws? Was your professor referring to criminal vs civil liabilities?

All of this is something that Apple would take into account when requiring notice to all parties being recorded and making it a feature within their software.

I've had cases where this arose as an issue within divorce litigation where the parties lived in different states from both a criminal and civil standpoint. Depending on the state this could mean the preclusion of evidence because it is deemed by a judge as an "illegal recording". It can also lead to criminal charges separate from the divorce action.

Without turning this into a CLE you can look at California as an example of why what you stated above is not accurate.

California is from from the only state with various, sometimes seemingly conflicting, laws with regard to single and all party consent. There are also various carve-outs within a general law in many states. Again, Apple would take all of that into account when making it decision about noticing all the parties on the line.
She was referring to all states.

I haven't lost any sleep over how caselaw might or might not have evolved.
 
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No, as my law professor explained it decades ago, it's "the law of where your feet are" when it comes to the person doing the recording.
A lawyer once told me that it depends on the more restrictive party if it's an interstate call. i.e. if I live in a one party state but I call an all-party state, I have to go by all-party rules.

Which leads me to an interesting question about this sorta thing. Suppose I call a customer service line and activate recording while I'm on hold. The other party will never hear the alert they're being recorded, since I'm in the call queue. Also suppose it's an all-party state. Have I violated any law at that point?

(What I have never gotten a clear answer on is: if the party you call says they're recording, do you also gain the right to record simply by THEIR notification? Assume all-party state. If I call a business's customer service and they tell me the call will be recorded, am I then by default allowed to also record the call without explicitly notifying the person I'm speaking to?)
 
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A lawyer once told me that it depends on the more restrictive party if it's an interstate call. i.e. if I live in a one party state but I call an all-party state, I have to go by all-party rules.

Which leads me to an interesting question about this sorta thing. Suppose I call a customer service line and activate recording while I'm on hold. The other party will never hear the alert they're being recorded, since I'm in the call queue. Also suppose it's an all-party state. Have I violated any law at that point?

(What I have never gotten a clear answer on is: if the party you call says they're recording, do you also gain the right to record simply by THEIR notification? Assume all-party state. If I call a business's customer service and they tell me the call will be recorded, am I then by default allowed to also record the call without explicitly notifying the person I'm speaking to?)
What happens of you're phoning another country that has a rule... can of worms. Lol!
 
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What happens of you're phoning another country that has a rule... can of worms. Lol!
I am far from an expert in international laws and I have had very little dealing with them in my professional life.

However, I would say a foreign nation getting jurisdiction over US citizens operating on US soil to enforce its local laws is basically impossible. That would at the least negate any criminal issues.
 
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A lawyer once told me that it depends on the more restrictive party if it's an interstate call. i.e. if I live in a one party state but I call an all-party state, I have to go by all-party rules.

Which leads me to an interesting question about this sorta thing. Suppose I call a customer service line and activate recording while I'm on hold. The other party will never hear the alert they're being recorded, since I'm in the call queue. Also suppose it's an all-party state. Have I violated any law at that point?

(What I have never gotten a clear answer on is: if the party you call says they're recording, do you also gain the right to record simply by THEIR notification? Assume all-party state. If I call a business's customer service and they tell me the call will be recorded, am I then by default allowed to also record the call without explicitly notifying the person I'm speaking to?)
I think that's an interesting question that you pose and one I don't have an answer to in any jurisdiction nor will I do the leg work to see if I can find an answer 😁

You would likely be looking for appellate and court of final say cases that would address how black letter law is interpreted in situations where intent and spirit of the law become a necessary component. You may even want to look at the legislature and its intent when drafting and passing laws. You can usually find that in the house or chambers minutes. More specifically, if there is inclusive or exclusive language in the law when it comes to individuals and scenarios.
 
I don't understand why anyone would do this when all you have to do is say, "Siri, call Eric Slivka". That's a lot easier than pecking at numbers.
Except in my experience Siri will reply something like 'Calling Erica Sliver'.
 
IMO a weak set of changes: I've been waiting for the ability to have more power over calling back = calls that I've sent to voice mail, eg specific time, after x minutes, create a diary entry as well as schedule calls at a specific date and time.
 
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