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So, the current M1 MBP16 is 0.6mm (less than 1/32") thicker than the 2019 MBP, and 1.3mm (about 3/64") thicker than the TouchBar MBP15 (and it's thinner than all the pre-2016 models). I don't get how 1.3mm qualifies as "so much thicker". I'd venture a guess that if we gave you (or most anyone) a 15.5mm thick block, in one hand, and a 16.8mm thick block in the other, you'd be hard pressed to tell which one was thicker, without putting them next to each other.
It feels thicker only because the edges aren’t tapered. I, too, am surprised when people talk about how thick it is.
 
No doubt apple has made great strides in fixing some of the problems with the Mac Line, but still has more to do. Modular and user upgradeable doesn't seem to be a priority, at least new models came, but Apple wants to milk customers for SSD and memory that is over priced.
 
This only happened because a certain long time Apple supporting studio decide to switch over to either Windows or Linux due to Apple's complete neglect of the Mac platform.

Remember when iPad was suppose to be the future of computing?
 
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Glad they did switch things around, was very busy working on Hackintoshes just so I could switch over to windows if they kept messing things up. My new test Studio comes tomorrow, will see if they really delivered!
 
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It seems these guys were way out of touch….And you can’t upgrade anything on these newer Macs in the future unless you shell out $6000 for the entry level Mac Pro. My 2012 MacBook Pro is a way more versatile machine than what they offer now.


No it isn't... The 2012 MacBook Pro has a limit of 16GB of memory. I can chew through that in PS alone.

You're limited to a quad core processor: many applications are written for multithreaded tasks well above and beyond 4 cores. Capture One Pro, FCP, Affinity Photo - would all be running like dogs in quicksand on that dinosaur.
 
To say that Apple delivered on its promise is an understatement. Not only did Apple release the modular Mac Pro and the since-discontinued iMac Pro, but it also finally ditched the problematic butterfly keyboard on MacBooks, announced its game-changing transition to Apple silicon, brought back a wide array of ports on the latest MacBook Pro models, gave customers an entirely new option in the Mac Studio, and more.
Ok, but let's not give them praise for bringing back ports they removed and fixing a broken keyboard that replaced a perfectly fine one...
 
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Apple silicon is the driving force that has revitalised the Mac line-up.

Having said that the software side of things is improving albeit slower than the chip development.

The future is looking very bright for the Mac compared to 5 or 6 years ago. Keep pushing the envelope Apple.
 
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I wonder what happened with the AMD Dseries GPUs. It seems like they made one gen only for the trashcan, then gave up. Why didn’t they produce a second and third gen GPU? That would have helped the trashcan remain relevant.
 
It's too bad that I think the 2019 Mac Pro is gonna be the last upgradeable and expandable Mac for the Pro's.

I just don't see Apple doing anything beyond doubling the m1 ultra to some m1 quad and call it a day.

I don't see expandable memory, or pci-e slots, no external GPU's unless its just like extra M1 GPU's on some proprietary cards.
Probably right, but I really hope not. I’m fine using a confit like a studio, given I can find a reasonable display. For pro work, like big time audio, and even major video production like with preservation and capture, a lack of PCI and other expandability will limit the Mac’s attractiveness.
 
I'd say that Apple still needs work here. Their current Macs are unquestionably powerful, but are utterly unrepairable and are more expensive.
The new Macs are unrepairable? It's easy to pick up the Mac Studio and take it to an Apple Store to have it fixed - or ship it to Apple. The Mac Pro was a heavy beast to lug anywhere.

As for more expensive.


2009 Quad Core Mac Pro:
2.66Ghz Quad Core CPU
3GB RAM (max ram = 48GB)
Nvidia GeForce GT 120 - 512MB VRAM
640GB 7200RPM HD (160MB/s transfer speed)

Original price = $2,500


2022 Mac Studio - M1 Max Chipset
10-core CPU
32GB memory (max ram = 64GB with M1 Max chip)
24-core GPU
500GB SSD (7.4GB/s transfer speed)

Original Price = $2,000

I can add a LOT of storage (external), or max out the RAM for an extra $500.

I can buy a Thunderbolt 3 NVMe SSD enclosure for $80 + a 2TB NVMe SSD (2500MB/s transfer speed) for $280 total. Or... buy an 18TB 7200 RPM enterprise drive + Mercury Pro Elite Aluminum USB 3 drive enclosure for $380.

The Mac Studio is a little powerhouse. I can't remember the last time Apple had a $2,000 computer that can do what this little beast can do. ...so it's like....never.
 
I was waiting for the 2022 iMac 27" M1 - never materialized. My 2011 iMac and 2012 mac pro may be my last Macs. I've had 9 since 1984. Sad day.

Tim Cook has been riding on old designs and tweeking them for the last 11 years. Time for a change and a better approach.

The new Studio Display and Mac Studio is for such a narrow audience. Tim Cook really need to be replaced.
Really the base Studio is really good. It certainly has it use case. Did you forget the 2021 MacBook Pro and 2021 iMac redesign?

There is the MacBook Air to be redesigned this year.
 
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And yet, the MBP cannot be upgraded by consumers. Remember when you could buy cheaper RAM and SSD and upgrade them yourself? Remember those beautiful matte displays that helped Photographers, Editors, Graphic Designers and others edit their work without reflections? Yes, the new offerings look great but as a freelancer, I cannot afford to upgrade every couple of years.
You would need 8 DIMM slots to provide the same bandwith that the M1 Max provides. Tell me can you fit 8 DIMM slots in a 14" and 16" MBP?
 
It's why I'm still holding on to my 2010 Mac Pro (with many upgrades) and considering a 2019 16" MacBook Pro/ 2019 Mac Pro (or just going to a custom built PC/FrameWork laptop).

I can still comfortable use a 2010 Machine because of it's upgrades and standard components. I really enjoy that aspect of the machine and it's hard knowing that a simple SSD swap is impossible going forward. Let alone the ability to natively run Windows or other Linux distributions. The 'other OS' side of things will adapt and change in the coming years, but being able to use Bootcamp and run Windows natively was a large selling feature for a lot of folks.

For the enthusiast who cares about upgrades, Apple doesn't have a product for me. I'll either adapt to the Apple way, or move on.
I don't get people like you. If your still hanging to a 2010 Mac Pro when its this outdated in 2022. It must have been overkill for you in 2010. I mean why haven't you built a PC if all you care is about upgradeability cause performace is clearly not your priority.

Framework is a good laptop but its clearly has its disadvantages being modular like not using LPDDR4X/5 RAM which is more efficient and its also not as powerful as M1.

IMO, do not get the 2019 Mac Pro what a waste money. Investing in a platfrom that will not be supported in the future is poor planning. As for the 16" Intel, again the latest 12th gen chips put that laptop to shame. Best to get a Windows laptop with 12th gen and VM macOS.
 
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I remember how barren those times felt. They'd screwed up the low end desktop, the high end desktop, the laptop, and even the iMac was hurting.
 
The Mac is in an incredible place now, and it’s only getting better. Awesome to see them deliver on those promises.
too many products though, Apple is is going in the direction of Samsung, Dell, 30 different products, any Apple products going on sale every day, it is confusing to people.
 
No it isn't... The 2012 MacBook Pro has a limit of 16GB of memory. I can chew through that in PS alone.

You're limited to a quad core processor: many applications are written for multithreaded tasks well above and beyond 4 cores. Capture One Pro, FCP, Affinity Photo - would all be running like dogs in quicksand on that dinosaur.
Your missing the point. In terms of upgrading the machine it’s way more versatile. Yes I know it’s an old 2012 out of date machine and never said it could match the new ones…but what can you upgrade on the new MacBooks they offer ? …ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You’re stuck with what you get….and I can run Affinity Photo and Cad software just fine on this old dinosaur.
 
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