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They may be advancing in tech power , but the designs after jony left are mediocre at best and pig ugly at worst

I'm looking at you studio ( if i have to lol )
That's because it's the Luke Skywalker of computers.
Make the Studio as tall as it is wide... Yes, I'm once again calling for the revival of the Cube. Resistance is futile, y'all.

Maybe they're saving the cube for the Mac Pro. It's gonna need a bigger heatsink, right? Right?🧐
Top exhaust would also allow stuff to fall into the chassis, not good...?
Yeah. Stuff...like proton torpedos. We all remember what happened when the Boss's kid drop 2 proton torpedoes in the exhaust port of the Deathstar.😅
 
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I think there is an inflection point on user replaceability where longevity is enhanced.

On laptops, user replaceability of components will always be limited lest we want to go back to not particularly portable physical forms. Basically no one makes this product for the consumer market in 2022.

For desktops, there is a gradient that dependent on form factor. The tower is the one place where lifespan extending user replaceability is expected.
Yep - modularity doesn't necessarily mean upgrades in the future. On 99% of laptops, you can't upgrade the CPU at a later date.
 
There were many, many years of no processor upgrades, and sadly as devices were aging, the one thing that could have been done to increase the speed, were to replace the slow 5400 rpm drives with SSD.

The advantage to the Mac back then, and even to this day, is that there wasn't much of an incentive to upgrade. Buy a Mac today and three years from now, if the model did change, it wasn't "quite enough" to spend the $2,000+ to do so.

But, they were also shutting out a majority of customers who actually did have a need for speed and better technology and was watching the Mac mini, for example, stay on 7th generation Intel while Windows was getting 8th, 9th, and finally 10th generation before the Mac mini made the upgrade! If anyone has ever worked with HEVC, you can't do it on Intel's 7th generation and back. It only works with 8th generation and newer!

Buying new from Apple in regards to the Mac was like buying something older. It only goes so far until one really does need to upgrade and if choosing Apple, having to buy something slightly newer in technology than the previous Mac!

Some of that is Intel's fault. We all have heard stories where Apple lab-tests Intel processors day in and day out and send back feedback and corrections. How would you like to put four months into testing a processor only to find it has too many corrections and Intel not necessarily fixing them? Intel's passion for desktop processors and laptop processors also would drive anyone insane.

I am glad that Apple finally did recognize their pattern of not updating their product line to reflect the newer technology. Their OS kept improving, which was one of their saving graces.

Now that they are on their own processors, they aren't tied to Intel versioning and even better, you get to choose your own processor that is based on tasks and your level of needs. The only thing that I would change is this:

M1 Processor - MacBook Air
M1 Pro and Max Processor - MacBook Pro (Don't put the M1 on the Pro) - 32gb Minimum
Mac mini - all levels of M1 processors
 
Mac mini - all levels of M1 processors

I would like this also - but I think they'd tell us "that's the Mac Studio" (above the M1 in Mini now).

Look at all the cooling they jammed in the Studios.
It's unclear to me the Mini could actually handle anything but the base M1 chips
 
Mac mini - all levels of M1 processors

I would like this also - but I think they'd tell us "that's the Mac Studio" (above the M1 in Mini now).

Look at all the cooling they jammed in the Studios.
It's unclear to me the Mini could actually handle anything but the base M1 chips

Mac mini has a small heat sink & single blower fan...

The chassis could fit a larger heat sink & dual blower fans, just not the thicc bois in the Studio...

I would say the Mac mini chassis could handle the Mn & Mn Pro series of SoCs, but not the Mn Max or Ultra series of SoCs...

Main issue is the limited amount of rear panel space for exhaust venting...?
 
But, they were also shutting out a majority of customers who actually did have a need for speed and better technology and was watching the Mac mini, for example, stay on 7th generation Intel while Windows was getting 8th, 9th, and finally 10th generation before the Mac mini made the upgrade! If anyone has ever worked with HEVC, you can't do it on Intel's 7th generation and back. It only works with 8th generation and newer!
I’ll have to check, but that could have been around the time that the majority of folks interested in Macs slowed buying desktops of any kind. (Checked: The mini was introduced in 2005 and laptops have been consistently outselling desktops since I around 2006.) So, a lot of folks that bought mini’s or that would have bought mini’s likely saw some mobile system that had limitations, BUT could be with them wherever they happened to be, and went for that mobile system. So, Apple would have been focusing more on improving the mobile systems most were buying. And, if the mini as a percentage of those desktop sales were a small percent, I could see Apple putting focus on the iMac instead. There were many reasons to not do anything with the mini.

Found a page that has a chart that shows desktops becoming less important to Apple over time.

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For consumers the Mac lineup is in a very bad state right now. The current iMac is too small and aesthetically a absolute no go. That leaves only the very lacklustre Mac Mini and MacBook Air.
They need a new iMac. However I think the Mini and Air are great products if you are 100% in to the Mac ecosystem. Thankfully they continue to offer an Intel Mini. Unfortunately I run Parallels and unless they figure something out with Windows, my days of Mac exclusivity are over.
 
Mac mini has a small heat sink & single blower fan...

The chassis could fit a larger heat sink & dual blower fans, just not the thicc bois in the Studio...

I would say the Mac mini chassis could handle the Mn & Mn Pro series of SoCs, but not the Mn Max or Ultra series of SoCs...

Main issue is the limited amount of rear panel space for exhaust venting...?

Apple still sells the "premium performance" Mac Mini with an Intel i5. My guess is that they wanted to do a Mac Mini w/ M1 Pro but it got sidelined to assure M1 Pro production could go to their laptop lineup under supply constraints. Apple has consistently ended an Intel product whenever their alternative is offered. The 21in iMac 4K was gone as soon as the 24in iMac 4.5K was introduced. The higher "trim" 13in MBPs were gone as soon as the 14in MBP was offered. The 27in iMac Pro was just killed unceremoniously but the 27in iMac 5K was gone as soon as the Mac Studio + Studio Display were offered.

Yet those space gray Mac Minis w/ i5s are still offered as new products...so that is pretty telling to me.
 
I don't know about renaissance. They're at the exact inversion of where they were before, when people wanted Apple for the software and put up with mediocre hardware performance.

There are just so many bugs. And the UI has gone from great to pretty bad, IMO. So many crappy first party apps that should be an embarrassment to them.

It's difficult to understand how a company as large as Apple ships some of the built-in apps they do when some 1-person indie developers ship higher quality apps.

My latest pet peeve is things not working and just having no error message whatsoever.

If Apple notes can't sync because Apple's server is down, Apple Notes (the app) just crashes as it tries to sync. No error message.

And I'll keep repeating it. This has never been fixed:


Apple used to the iLife platform, the iSync platform, where devices from so many manufacturers worked beautifully with the Mac.

And now look at the lengths people go to, including me, to get an Apple iPhone to connect correctly to an Apple Mac.

I remember the first Intel Mac ad. It said something about imagine what an Intel chip could do in a Mac.

Well, they've now got even better hardware (although the notch . . . lack of USB A in the laptops), but the software quality just isn't good. Imagine what Apple Silicon could do if they cared about software quality as much as their chips.
My only frustration with the first party apps is I can’t watch downloaded movies or tv shows from the TV app if it’s been downloaded for a few days. I have tested this on 4 different macs! It’s a sad time when iTunes for Windows runs better!
 
My only frustration with the first party apps is I can’t watch downloaded movies or tv shows from the TV app if it’s been downloaded for a few days. I have tested this on 4 different macs! It’s a sad time when iTunes for Windows runs better!
Yeah, I don't get how some of the software is so bad, except that I wonder if a lot of the original team from NeXT is retired or has left by now. Or that they famously move on from one thing and work on something else. Design-wise, it really seems like they are trying to make all the OSes more similar, despite them saying otherwise, with the new side bars in macOS being very similar in app layout to iPadOS. But that aside, the bugs and lack of error messages to even let you know there is a bug, instead things just don't work and you have to figure out why. If you look at that link I posted about Image Capture, it seems like Apple users have collectively put in hundreds if not thousands of hours trying to fix bugs in the most profitable computing systems (iPhone and Mac) trying every trick possible to make it work, and I wonder if Apple has spent any time on it at all. I would imagine whatever is wrong is a very easy fix on their end. It's the most basic functionality: taking photos/videos off a camera (iPhone) onto a computer, something Apple had mastered well over two decades ago. And now for so many people it's impossible between two Apple products, with no error message.
 
Yeah, I don't get how some of the software is so bad, except that I wonder if a lot of the original team from NeXT is retired or has left by now. Or that they famously move on from one thing and work on something else. Design-wise, it really seems like they are trying to make all the OSes more similar, despite them saying otherwise, with the new side bars in macOS being very similar in app layout to iPadOS. But that aside, the bugs and lack of error messages to even let you know there is a bug, instead things just don't work and you have to figure out why. If you look at that link I posted about Image Capture, it seems like Apple users have collectively put in hundreds if not thousands of hours trying to fix bugs in the most profitable computing systems (iPhone and Mac) trying every trick possible to make it work, and I wonder if Apple has spent any time on it at all. I would imagine whatever is wrong is a very easy fix on their end. It's the most basic functionality: taking photos/videos off a camera (iPhone) onto a computer, something Apple had mastered well over two decades ago. And now for so many people it's impossible between two Apple products, with no error message.
I have to agree. It seems Apple is attempting to turn the Macs into iPhones. Now there are soooooo many bugs, freezes, poor OS upgrades, software, the list is endless.

And then for my group, the new MacBook Pro's are terrible. Lost versatility, at best a hodgepodge of design aesthetics, and that darned (would like to use stronger language) notch. That notch drives me up the wall. Still see it every time I look at the screen.
 
In 2017 I talked myself into buying the last pre-TouchBar/butterfly MacBook Pro they sold, because it seemed to me like it might be half a decade before they made another laptop worth buying. Well, finally, they do.
probably a good move as it would’ve lasted till now! i was using my 2015 air until the 2021 pro’s launched. glad i held onto apple while they figured out the mess they caused
 
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