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Here are the USPTO links if anyone is interested:
Shuffle
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=b4vjlt.8.3
iWork
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=b4vjlt.8.10
Here is another one that could be related to the new iPod:
iMix
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=b4vjlt.8.7
Joe
Shuffle
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=b4vjlt.8.3
iWork
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=b4vjlt.8.10
Here is another one that could be related to the new iPod:
iMix
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=b4vjlt.8.7
Joe
Peyote said:
Why? Do you also hate the "iPod mini" name?
With iPod mini already in the line-up, the iPod -> iPod mini -> iPod micro makes perfect sense (unless the new iPod is SO different that it could even be called something else than iPod).
Headless iPod?
someone at apple got a little too carried away with the "headless" concept by applying it to the ipod, but you can see Jobs promoting:
"not only have we applied this elegant design to the imac, but now for the first time also to the ipod" (crowd roars for failing to do so would result in 3 weeks latrine duty at Cupertino's gulag)
all joking aside, i'm sure it will be a nice product, screen or no screen. I just hope tomorrow's headlines don't read: the headless iPod: life is random, ergo @#it happens
someone at apple got a little too carried away with the "headless" concept by applying it to the ipod, but you can see Jobs promoting:
"not only have we applied this elegant design to the imac, but now for the first time also to the ipod" (crowd roars for failing to do so would result in 3 weeks latrine duty at Cupertino's gulag)
all joking aside, i'm sure it will be a nice product, screen or no screen. I just hope tomorrow's headlines don't read: the headless iPod: life is random, ergo @#it happens
ipedro said:
Amen, brother! To me, this sounds MUCH more plausible than the no-screen rumors going around. I can definitely see Apple doing this I think its a much overdue feature for people who have big music collections and small iPods. Then again, I have to wonder if Apple would make a giant banner to tout a new feature in iTunes I dont know. Still, I dont see the no-screen thing happening. At least, it better not. Hmph.
it's interesting how things morph into something completely different the more you talk about it.
how did some come to the conclusion that it must be a screenless ipod that plays only in shuffle mode?
the original macitynet posting, assuming that all they claim is genuine, says that they briefly saw part of a board depicting the new ipod. it's mostly white, with some silver and thinner than the mini, hence it likely doesn't have a large screen. they didn't see the real thing, just an ad of it.
so the thingy could have a (smaller) screen, just not obvious in that picture.
and the "only random" is pure speculation (done mostly here, not by the maccitynet people) deriving from half a banner that could mean many things and the "shuffle" name. i am sure it would have next/prev song and volume. so maybe they simply added a shuffle button.
No clickwheel. So what. you could still reach the songs/palylists you want with more "primitive" (but smaller/cheaper) commands.
it will be nice, it will sell well and half of the people complaining here will buy one by the end of the year.
cheers
how did some come to the conclusion that it must be a screenless ipod that plays only in shuffle mode?
the original macitynet posting, assuming that all they claim is genuine, says that they briefly saw part of a board depicting the new ipod. it's mostly white, with some silver and thinner than the mini, hence it likely doesn't have a large screen. they didn't see the real thing, just an ad of it.
so the thingy could have a (smaller) screen, just not obvious in that picture.
and the "only random" is pure speculation (done mostly here, not by the maccitynet people) deriving from half a banner that could mean many things and the "shuffle" name. i am sure it would have next/prev song and volume. so maybe they simply added a shuffle button.
No clickwheel. So what. you could still reach the songs/palylists you want with more "primitive" (but smaller/cheaper) commands.
it will be nice, it will sell well and half of the people complaining here will buy one by the end of the year.
cheers
Anybody remember Ickey Woods???
Does anyone remembers Ickey Woods (running back for the Cincinnati Bengals in the late 80's)? Anyway, whenever he scored a touchdown he did a dance called the Ickey Shuffle. Does anyone think that Steve will get on the stage and do the ipod shuffle? Better yet! How cool would it be if Ickey Woods got up on stage and did the Ickey Shuffle while introducing the ipod Shuffle?! That'd be sweet...
Does anyone remembers Ickey Woods (running back for the Cincinnati Bengals in the late 80's)? Anyway, whenever he scored a touchdown he did a dance called the Ickey Shuffle. Does anyone think that Steve will get on the stage and do the ipod shuffle? Better yet! How cool would it be if Ickey Woods got up on stage and did the Ickey Shuffle while introducing the ipod Shuffle?! That'd be sweet...
Forgot about that one:
Pages:
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=b4vjlt.9.1
Pages:
http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/gate.exe?f=doc&state=b4vjlt.9.1
Peyote said:When I searched earlier today I also found one for Pages.
I'm too lazy to go look it up again though.
This registration record shows that the domain was registered today, probably after the banner photos surfaced. If Apple wanted to use such a domain, it doesn't make sense that they or an agent would wait so long to grab it.Rootman said:
Apple normally use Akamai for a hosting parter. This looks like some sort of squatting or a fan-initiated thing.
but maybe not if it's called "Shuffle"jhomayne said:one of these (http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000040022898/) with 256mb would suit me down to a tee.
Not to get into the conspiracy theories too muchPeyote said:
... it would be interesting if Apple now has an official "disinformation" team - let slip a few made-up rumours, sue sites to mislead the public, put up fake banners when someone is watching.... heheheRemember before the original iPod came out?
I looked it up. Below is some of what people were saying just before and after the original announcement 10/23/01, I've omitted the names to protect the people that might have a foot in their mouth. Notice the last line in the 6th item from the bottom "Do I really need ALL my songs ALL the time?" ... maybe that's what this new thing is about ... maybe with it's own playlist in iTunes ... just a thought ... anyway have fun reading!
pda Palm/Blackberry killer
lets hope it is not a mp3 player! There are enough of them out there! However, PDA's are are there also, but all not close to a newton! I have had all ipaqs,visors, and palms!
It doesnt seem logical to me for apple to make a music device.
Still be kool seeing as this is really apples first big move towards their digital hub dream.
I don't have any insider sources, and I don't know that much about the industry. What I do know is that it would be a bad idea for apple to make a PDA just like everyone else, and they know that. Apple also knows that there's the mp3 market is cluttered with dozens of mp3 players, so making just another mp3 player wouldn't be a good idea.
SpyMac has posted their version of Apple's new product: iWalk:
The iWalk is a kind of PDA with a lot more features than one could have previously expected: It features a high-color TFT-screen with handwriting recognition (using former newton-technology so it's a lot better than current palm os recognition) and direct access to both data stored on local macs (using AirPort) or on iDisk-volumes (using either routing through AirPort or the built-in modem). It has audio in- and output-ports so it can act as a usual mp3-player when connected to a stereo
Ah well... less than a day to go...
Ummm, isn't this device supposed to be a "breakthrough?" I've been listening to MP3s for about 3 years, so I wouldn't consider a device that plays MP3 files to be something out of the ordinary.
well its ipod - what a a disappointment. A glorified mp3 player. revolutionary? no - not in the least.
what is going on in Apple hq? seriously folks, tiny incremental speed bumps, and now gimmicky toys like this.
But quite disappointing though ...
for this price i would have made something mor complete - like a real PDA WITH the 5gb hard drive for it is both a PDA AND a mp3 player ....
wow -
$300 Handspring = cell phone, pda, emailer... etc.
If it could play mp3s & costs $450 it would be a deal.
$399 for the iPod is simply too high.
Maybe I can get one cheaper on eBay...
NO!
Great just what the world needs, another freaking MP3 player. Go Steve! Where's the Newton?!
This isn't revoltionary!
I still can't believe this! All this hype for something so ridiculous! Who cares about an MP3 player? I want something new! I want them to think differently!
Why oh why would they do this?! It's so wrong! It's so stupid!
what a load of tripe!
gee! an mp3 player with a HD! how original! kinda reminds me of a JUKEBOX i once knew..
$400 for an Mp3 Player!
I'd call it the Cube 2.0 as it wont sell, and be killed off in a short time...and it's not really functional.
Uuhh Steve, can I have a PDA now?
No ***** Way
All that hype for an MP3 player? Break-thru digital device? The Reality Distiortion Field is starting to warp Steve's mind if he thinks for one second that this thing is gonna take off.
There are already two products similar to this on the market. The Nomad Jukebox and the Archos Jukebox which can come with a 20 gig HD. The iPod is obviously alot cooler and has firewire, but it is far from revolutionary. I for one am disappointed and think that apple is making a mistake by trying to get into this market.
underlying hints...
I agree somewhat with most of your unhappiness over iPod. It only looks like being worth $200 to myself. Something I don't think most of you are looking at. This is Apple's "Newest" attempt at entering the consumer electronics market. PDAs are also considered consumer electronics. This player is about the size of a size of a deck of cards and still boast 5Gb and new faster charging longer holding lithum-ion battery. Wouldn't these elements work well in a PDA? Hmmm. It's easy to see where Apple is headed.
Too pricey
Not exactly "revolutionary". With the economy in its current state, You'll be able to pick up MP3 players for peanuts soon. The Archos Jukebox does the same thing and it's not blowing off the shelves either. $399 is just too much for an MP3 jukebox. Sorry Steve, this isn't it...
oh man
bummer
sorry apple, yer cool styling and faster transfer rate only count for so much
btw... for $100 bucks more you can buy an imac. Better bring that price down or you wont sell any of these babies
Goofy Idea!!!
OK. For $300 I can get an in-dash MP3 player for my car, which is where I spend most of my travel time. For walking, etc., a Rio is fine. At home, it's right off the MAc or my stereo. Where oh where does a $400 (!!!!!) player fit into the scheme of things? Seems like Steve just wanted the coolest toy, regardless of its practicality.
Besides, has anyone brought up the recent statements by the RIAA about competely blocking ripping of new CDs?
Here's to another bullet in the foot...
AAPL is going down fast!
Mmmm. APPL is already down $1.00...
Looks like the markets aren't looking too favorably on Apple's new forays into the digital device market.
Of course the iPod is cool, neat, whatever. You wouldn't expect anything less from Apple. But I agree with most on this forum. $400 is simply too much in the present economic climate. One other thing. I'd like to know what their margins for the iPod are...
Toooooo expensive piece of crap!!!
I said the Cube was overpriced and should cost $1200, this piece of Sh... should cost no more than $90.
Apple is selling a bunch of overpriced things like the TiBook that won't be resellable for more than $1300 in less than 6 month because it is not upgredable.
This iPod is for spoil rich kids with insane parents or an Apple fan as fannatic as a Taliban. It has good features but forget about getting it for $399!!!! Never, who gets that thing is a very stupid person.
Steve Jobs is under terrible consuling or is under too much pot. This propusal is not realistic at all. If Apple does something like this again is going down.
This unit may work for an audio engeneer to record some conference or rock band on the field in place of buying a expensive DAT machine, that is the only real good market this machinne is gonna have.
I have no use for an Mp3 player.
My house has a CD player.
My car has a CD player.
My Mac has a CD player
I don't use headphones.
The iPod requires me to change my lifestyle to meet it's needs...
I need round holes, not square holes.
For $99 I might buy the toy, for $399? Why?
Doesn't a Mac with a CDR undermine the need for most of this? All that's left is the number of songs you can play and the ability to listen to all of them with headphones anywhere. Do I really need ALL my songs ALL the time?
uhm, no.
Won't last. Another Cube.
Lots of hype. Now I gripe.
400 bucks! Is Steve nuts?
Digital hub??? What a flub!
Stupid name. Who to blame?
Come on folks-no more jokes...
$399 is ludicrous
i just marvel at the squandered potential of such design and thought at the hands of junior college marketers and accountants. doesn't anybody over there ever look at a price tag!?
the painful reality is that the market wants to move down on price and up on features [exactly what is causing the current bloodletting in the 'wintel' world] and if apple could just come out with a product that was appealing [which they do every three months] and priced well out of the gate [which never happens] then the market might recognize the innovations for what they really are. but that initial sticker shock will forever keep people away. or at least at bay until mikey or billy repackages it and cuts the price in half. thereby hamstringing the funding for future innovation.
I looked it up. Below is some of what people were saying just before and after the original announcement 10/23/01, I've omitted the names to protect the people that might have a foot in their mouth. Notice the last line in the 6th item from the bottom "Do I really need ALL my songs ALL the time?" ... maybe that's what this new thing is about ... maybe with it's own playlist in iTunes ... just a thought ... anyway have fun reading!
pda Palm/Blackberry killer
lets hope it is not a mp3 player! There are enough of them out there! However, PDA's are are there also, but all not close to a newton! I have had all ipaqs,visors, and palms!
It doesnt seem logical to me for apple to make a music device.
Still be kool seeing as this is really apples first big move towards their digital hub dream.
I don't have any insider sources, and I don't know that much about the industry. What I do know is that it would be a bad idea for apple to make a PDA just like everyone else, and they know that. Apple also knows that there's the mp3 market is cluttered with dozens of mp3 players, so making just another mp3 player wouldn't be a good idea.
SpyMac has posted their version of Apple's new product: iWalk:
The iWalk is a kind of PDA with a lot more features than one could have previously expected: It features a high-color TFT-screen with handwriting recognition (using former newton-technology so it's a lot better than current palm os recognition) and direct access to both data stored on local macs (using AirPort) or on iDisk-volumes (using either routing through AirPort or the built-in modem). It has audio in- and output-ports so it can act as a usual mp3-player when connected to a stereo
Ah well... less than a day to go...
Ummm, isn't this device supposed to be a "breakthrough?" I've been listening to MP3s for about 3 years, so I wouldn't consider a device that plays MP3 files to be something out of the ordinary.
well its ipod - what a a disappointment. A glorified mp3 player. revolutionary? no - not in the least.
what is going on in Apple hq? seriously folks, tiny incremental speed bumps, and now gimmicky toys like this.
But quite disappointing though ...
for this price i would have made something mor complete - like a real PDA WITH the 5gb hard drive for it is both a PDA AND a mp3 player ....
wow -
$300 Handspring = cell phone, pda, emailer... etc.
If it could play mp3s & costs $450 it would be a deal.
$399 for the iPod is simply too high.
Maybe I can get one cheaper on eBay...
NO!
Great just what the world needs, another freaking MP3 player. Go Steve! Where's the Newton?!
This isn't revoltionary!
I still can't believe this! All this hype for something so ridiculous! Who cares about an MP3 player? I want something new! I want them to think differently!
Why oh why would they do this?! It's so wrong! It's so stupid!
what a load of tripe!
gee! an mp3 player with a HD! how original! kinda reminds me of a JUKEBOX i once knew..
$400 for an Mp3 Player!
I'd call it the Cube 2.0 as it wont sell, and be killed off in a short time...and it's not really functional.
Uuhh Steve, can I have a PDA now?
No ***** Way
All that hype for an MP3 player? Break-thru digital device? The Reality Distiortion Field is starting to warp Steve's mind if he thinks for one second that this thing is gonna take off.
There are already two products similar to this on the market. The Nomad Jukebox and the Archos Jukebox which can come with a 20 gig HD. The iPod is obviously alot cooler and has firewire, but it is far from revolutionary. I for one am disappointed and think that apple is making a mistake by trying to get into this market.
underlying hints...
I agree somewhat with most of your unhappiness over iPod. It only looks like being worth $200 to myself. Something I don't think most of you are looking at. This is Apple's "Newest" attempt at entering the consumer electronics market. PDAs are also considered consumer electronics. This player is about the size of a size of a deck of cards and still boast 5Gb and new faster charging longer holding lithum-ion battery. Wouldn't these elements work well in a PDA? Hmmm. It's easy to see where Apple is headed.
Too pricey
Not exactly "revolutionary". With the economy in its current state, You'll be able to pick up MP3 players for peanuts soon. The Archos Jukebox does the same thing and it's not blowing off the shelves either. $399 is just too much for an MP3 jukebox. Sorry Steve, this isn't it...
oh man
bummer
sorry apple, yer cool styling and faster transfer rate only count for so much
btw... for $100 bucks more you can buy an imac. Better bring that price down or you wont sell any of these babies
Goofy Idea!!!
OK. For $300 I can get an in-dash MP3 player for my car, which is where I spend most of my travel time. For walking, etc., a Rio is fine. At home, it's right off the MAc or my stereo. Where oh where does a $400 (!!!!!) player fit into the scheme of things? Seems like Steve just wanted the coolest toy, regardless of its practicality.
Besides, has anyone brought up the recent statements by the RIAA about competely blocking ripping of new CDs?
Here's to another bullet in the foot...
AAPL is going down fast!
Mmmm. APPL is already down $1.00...
Looks like the markets aren't looking too favorably on Apple's new forays into the digital device market.
Of course the iPod is cool, neat, whatever. You wouldn't expect anything less from Apple. But I agree with most on this forum. $400 is simply too much in the present economic climate. One other thing. I'd like to know what their margins for the iPod are...
Toooooo expensive piece of crap!!!
I said the Cube was overpriced and should cost $1200, this piece of Sh... should cost no more than $90.
Apple is selling a bunch of overpriced things like the TiBook that won't be resellable for more than $1300 in less than 6 month because it is not upgredable.
This iPod is for spoil rich kids with insane parents or an Apple fan as fannatic as a Taliban. It has good features but forget about getting it for $399!!!! Never, who gets that thing is a very stupid person.
Steve Jobs is under terrible consuling or is under too much pot. This propusal is not realistic at all. If Apple does something like this again is going down.
This unit may work for an audio engeneer to record some conference or rock band on the field in place of buying a expensive DAT machine, that is the only real good market this machinne is gonna have.
I have no use for an Mp3 player.
My house has a CD player.
My car has a CD player.
My Mac has a CD player
I don't use headphones.
The iPod requires me to change my lifestyle to meet it's needs...
I need round holes, not square holes.
For $99 I might buy the toy, for $399? Why?
Doesn't a Mac with a CDR undermine the need for most of this? All that's left is the number of songs you can play and the ability to listen to all of them with headphones anywhere. Do I really need ALL my songs ALL the time?
uhm, no.
Won't last. Another Cube.
Lots of hype. Now I gripe.
400 bucks! Is Steve nuts?
Digital hub??? What a flub!
Stupid name. Who to blame?
Come on folks-no more jokes...
$399 is ludicrous
i just marvel at the squandered potential of such design and thought at the hands of junior college marketers and accountants. doesn't anybody over there ever look at a price tag!?
the painful reality is that the market wants to move down on price and up on features [exactly what is causing the current bloodletting in the 'wintel' world] and if apple could just come out with a product that was appealing [which they do every three months] and priced well out of the gate [which never happens] then the market might recognize the innovations for what they really are. but that initial sticker shock will forever keep people away. or at least at bay until mikey or billy repackages it and cuts the price in half. thereby hamstringing the funding for future innovation.
No screen sounds fine to me
Walkmans didn't have a screen -- you put in a tape and pressed play. Maybe the approach with iPod Shuffle is the same -- you load 1G of songs, press play. Difference is obviously that 1G is more than the 12 songs than a tape and that "shuffle" dances the order around. But the concept could be the same.
90% of the time, I listen to iTunes on Party shuffle (as probably lots of people do) so I'd be totally happy with a no-screen, 200-song (~10-12 hr) micro iPod. For the gym or a quick trip somewhere it would be my 4-star list, or top 200 of my most-played list, or top-rated Blues list -- or whatever. I wouldn't care about what order they were in as long as I could skip one if I wasn't in the mood.
j_maddison said:
Walkmans didn't have a screen -- you put in a tape and pressed play. Maybe the approach with iPod Shuffle is the same -- you load 1G of songs, press play. Difference is obviously that 1G is more than the 12 songs than a tape and that "shuffle" dances the order around. But the concept could be the same.
90% of the time, I listen to iTunes on Party shuffle (as probably lots of people do) so I'd be totally happy with a no-screen, 200-song (~10-12 hr) micro iPod. For the gym or a quick trip somewhere it would be my 4-star list, or top 200 of my most-played list, or top-rated Blues list -- or whatever. I wouldn't care about what order they were in as long as I could skip one if I wasn't in the mood.
