I just hope that they concentrate on getting Leopard out of the door before moving on to develop the next version of iphone osx... It seems like there is a lot to do in squashing the bugs in the beta, I'd hate to see another delay on Leopard because of iphone.
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Flash Plug-in For iPhone Coming Soon?
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I just hope that they concentrate on getting Leopard out of the door before moving on to develop the next version of iphone osx... It seems like there is a lot to do in squashing the bugs in the beta, I'd hate to see another delay on Leopard because of iphone.
In my 29 years of dealing with Apple, the above is pretty much the way they negotiate-- from a position of strength.
If Adobe caved, then the tipping point was the alacrity with which YouTube agreed to convert to h246.
Sounds about right... plus, adding a new feature like flash will be a powerful tool to regenerate iPhone hype after the initial hype starts to die down.
this is hilarious i bet they(adobe) are feeling really stupid for not giving it to them for free...
I would really, REALLY like to see an iPod/iPhone version of iTunes that would allow you to buy tracks over WiFi and sync your other iTunes database remotely. In other words, if I download the new Ryan Adams album from an iPhone or WiFi iPod, my iTunes at home should automatically download it on the next launch.
I absolutely love the way Exchange keeps my email synced from Treo to Outlook to OWA, and I could see a lot of interest in having iTunes run the same way.
apple was not adamant about no flash. the company line has always been "we're not sure"
specifically here's a direct quote from jobs immediately following the keynote in january:
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/01/13/ultimate-iphone-faqs-list-part-2/
there are two obvious reasons for no flash from the beginning:
1) it was a third party app that has its own APIs and interaction methods. apple was eliminating all the "unknowns" for launch. safari, pdf*, quicklook, etc... are all internally controlled
2) because flash has a unique interaction layer, getting it to work properly with the iphone's multitouch display will prove tricky. for example there are no mouseover/mouseout events supported in flash, and i'd say 95% of sites that use flash rely on mouseover/mouseout events.
*pdf is an open standard and apple wrote their own pdf viewer.
unless they are able to make the iphone data transfer over to the computer, which currently on my macbook, i cant, then it aint happenin. Plus, the wireless system could kill your battery life.
3. Basic navigation on flash based sites
4. Flash video
Again, without flash a browser isn't a complete browser. Complain all you want about how this is supposedly "not true." Sorry, it is. 98% of *all* users have the flash plugin, and *no* "real" browser would be complete without it. Until flash support comes, the iPhone does *not* display "the real internet" it's still a "kinda-sorta internet."
Before you claim otherwise, think again: Imagine if safari for Macs and Windows did *not* have flash support. Imagine if IE did *not* have flash support. Imagine if Firefox did *not* have flash support. Would you call *any of those browsers* "real browsers? Nope.
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Hopefully there will be an option to turn it off. I mostly see flash as a nuisance than a feature.
i call it a real browser. i block all flash in firefox and don't notice a difference on a single site i go to.
Seems to me they'll end up using Flash Lite as this is designed specifically for mobile devices:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashlite/
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashlite/
No, I think most people fully understand this, but thanks for underestimating everyone's intelligence anyway.
I'm not expecting RTSP streaming. RTSP requires a lot of back-and-forth between client and server. EDGE (and even 3G) has too long a latency. Possible over WiFi, but I don't see them introducing a feature that would work over WiFi but not over EDGE. I wasn't happy when I learned it was gone (I develop sites that include a lot of RTSP streaming), but once I thought about it, it makes sense that it's gone.
On the iPhone you can jump around quicktime movies anyway, which solves one of the downsides of not having RTSP support. I'll be happy when that feature comes to the Mac...
I'd love native Bonjour, for iChat, printing (nobody's even discussed printing), and who knows what else. Wouldn't it be cool to have skype-like capabilities over WiFi within an office?
Not sure about native iTunes. I do think they'll add the capability to buy songs online.
Sure, from an academic standpoint, it's still a real browser. But you don't notice a single difference with flash blocked? Come on, if you want to give your point of view, let's discard the exaggerations. If you really don't see a difference, then you aren't viewing many sites that are popular among the general population (that means I'm not counting digg, slashdot, etc.). Otherwise, you're ignoring the differences. A grey box with a "missing plugin" icon looks far different than the flash content intended for that space.
Regardless, the average user doesn't care about the academic distinction between the web browser and the plugins - they're two parts of a whole package that most users don't care to separate, and if you were a business that relied on its users noticing and caring about that distinction, you'd soon be out of business.
Not Caving, progressing
Rojo, Apple is by no means caving in. There's no logical way in hell that they would not support Flash. It could be that they are working with Adobe to develop some an optimized version that will suite iphone's needs. Just as many have mentioned here, Flash can be intensive on CPU resources and battery life. Through research and development, Apple already knows that 96% of all computers online can view flash content, which means there's no way they can ignoring implementing this sort of feature for the iPhone.
We have a lot to be excited about and to look forward to, think about it; For the first time in history there's been a mobile device released by a company who cares about its product and is in complete control of it's OS. We all can look forward to some killer apps and updates from Apple!
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iPhone, iGotOne, iDidNotWaitInLine! HA HA!
Rojo, Apple is by no means caving in. There's no logical way in hell that they would not support Flash. It could be that they are working with Adobe to develop some an optimized version that will suite iphone's needs. Just as many have mentioned here, Flash can be intensive on CPU resources and battery life. Through research and development, Apple already knows that 96% of all computers online can view flash content, which means there's no way they can ignoring implementing this sort of feature for the iPhone.
We have a lot to be excited about and to look forward to, think about it; For the first time in history there's been a mobile device released by a company who cares about its product and is in complete control of it's OS. We all can look forward to some killer apps and updates from Apple!
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iPhone, iGotOne, iDidNotWaitInLine! HA HA!
its a nuisance, but sometimes it can be very critical, like reviewing my espn videos and such...
I understand that Flash is big on the web, but I'd like to hear some examples of major websites whose core functionality depends on Flash. I'm a user of above-average technical knowledge and I haven't run into a website yet on my iPhone where the lack of Flash was a problem. I'm not saying they're not out there, I'm just asking for some examples.
I'm betting $100 that Java never, ever makes it to iPhone. It's a dead-and-buried technology as far as Steve is concerned.
If you want to be using third party apps on the iPhone, you should be rejoicing with this news. As a Flash Developer i can tell you that Flash developers will create the most amazing web apps for your iPhone that will not only match but sometimes exceed the ui experience you see now on the iPHone
I'm not saying major functionality, but I am saying that it is ridiculously unlikely that any user wouldn't notice a difference between using a browser with flash and using one without it.
However, the Volkswagen site seems to be entirely flash-based. It's not a major website necessarily, but it's a very well-known brand and tends to have that same cultish appearance that Apple has (to outsiders).
Hmmm... that's a very interesting angle to look at it.
It's also very "Steve-Jobsian"...
Rod.