and by Mac mini I mean: Quad PM, 2.5 gbs of ram, 400 gb WD Cavaiar 16mb SE, 500 gb hitachi, and 7800 gt. Can't forget the Cinema display. Yummy. My last mac was a 1.5 g4 powerbook last december. This is a whole different league Ah man its 4:54 a.m. here now. I'm going to sleep.