Dont dream.
Windows for ARM exists.
But another OS for the fully publicly undocumented Apple Silicon will not happen that soon.
Asahi Linux is struggling since 3 years and a lot does still not work.
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Flip Flopping between macOS and Windows
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Windows for ARM exists.
But another OS for the fully publicly undocumented Apple Silicon will not happen that soon.
Asahi Linux is struggling since 3 years and a lot does still not work.
I was referring to Windows devices with the new Qualcomm CPUs, nothing to dream about just waiting to see it in action.
I'm not that sure that ARM processors are that better. It's not all about the processor !
I think Apple got rid of all bridge chips that make hardware standard and compatible.
So they have a very efficient and slim architecture that is only supported by their very own software.
It's the way all tablets and smartphones work: you need a specific compilation for every device.
It's a step in the right direction toward a laptop or even a Surface Pro that will last the entire day without charging. Every step is progress.
I am not sure you understand the previous poster comment fully??
It is about the processor and Microsoft is working on a tool like Rossetta in Apple so non arm software will work and since the processor from Qualcomm the SD elite is so powerful even with emulation it shouldn't be that bad. All native apps and OS will run much more efficiently. We are looking at a doubling at a minimum of battery life compared to Intel's latest Ultra series on 7nm.
The reason why people are excited about arm on Windows is that if Qualcomm is successful then the performance and battery life will rival Macs and if you add a dedicated GPU the power of the system might even best M3 MBP or at least get very close. And since this is the first of the Orion cores Qualcomm is using future Elite chips should be even better.
Actually, if arm gets a boost of market share on Windows because the CPU's are finally good enough to be a viable alternative to x64 Intel and AMD then it could be a game changer. Being able to game on Windows and get 10 hours gaming full blast with dedicated GPU and 20 hours normal use would be rather enticing for a lot of people.
What is both frustrating and baffling is that Microsoft has been working on an ARM based windows for well over 10 yet the experience has been very poor. Then out of nowhere Apple released an ARM based laptop that out performed MS on every metric
Hell Windows running virtualized on a Mac was faster then MS Surface
Apple M1 runs Windows on ARM faster than Surface Pro X
OK lets wait and see. I would really wonder, if an ARM architecture with traditional nortbridge/southbridge, PCI, and DDR memory slots could beat Apple's sleek architecture without these interfaces.
I would venture a guess that it would not use traditional DDR memory slots, but rather something like the new CAMM modules.
That is because Apple can afford to build a PC like a smartphone, removing every hardware abstraction bridge.
That sleek architecture requires however requires a specific OS exactly compiled to match the given hardware.
An approach that only Apple can follow. Microsoft –being a multi-vendor OS supplier– has no way to match that.
Well, that was the point of the Surface line, but it hasn't always borne fruit. That's mostly due to MS not having staying power with an idea...We'll see with the new Snapdragon Surfaces though.
I also find myself flip flopping between macOS and Windows. I grew up on Windows, but always wanted a Mac. After assembling a collection of vintage Macs, I got my first modern one, an M2 Mini. I was so happy to have it at the time, but the Wi-Fi issues annoyed the heck out of me and the realization that I had given up upgradeable RAM and storage just to stay with Apple wasn't sitting well with me, so I sold the Mini and went back to my 2012 MBP. Problem with that MBP is that patched macOS is a gamble, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Using Windows or Linux on a MBP feels unnatural due to the one button mouse and the command key (I've lost count of how many times I hit the command key on accident when using Windows/Ubuntu on that MBP). I had heard how good the T480 line of ThinkPads were, so I found one for cheap online and while it is not as fast as the M2, it is faster than the 2012 MBP and the keyboard lives up to the hype. I have the T480s model, so I only have one upgradeable RAM slot instead of two, but one slot is better than none, imo.
I'm not crazy about the Windows 11 UI, but I like that in Windows I have much better software compatibility than I do on macOS and Linux. Apple Music for Windows is garbage though (and the last iTunes for Windows is pbretty bad too), so I plan on using my 2012 MBP to manage my music library and sync my iPod Touch. I can't decide whether I should try patched Sonoma again, for future proofing, or if I should run Mojave/High Sierra again on the 2012 (so I can use the much better UI of iTunes). So yeah, I'm kind of in this weird space where I'm using Windows again for daily driver stuff, but using macOS for specific tasks/fun.
I'm not crazy about the Windows 11 UI, but I like that in Windows I have much better software compatibility than I do on macOS and Linux. Apple Music for Windows is garbage though (and the last iTunes for Windows is pbretty bad too), so I plan on using my 2012 MBP to manage my music library and sync my iPod Touch. I can't decide whether I should try patched Sonoma again, for future proofing, or if I should run Mojave/High Sierra again on the 2012 (so I can use the much better UI of iTunes). So yeah, I'm kind of in this weird space where I'm using Windows again for daily driver stuff, but using macOS for specific tasks/fun.
Welcome to the flip flop club @MacFoxG4
I've flipped on my Fujifilm X100V and got an X100VI. The short time I spent with the X-T5 made me appreciate the new sensor/ processor and IBIS. Had to bit a little more than MSRP (£140) but there's zero stock and huge delays to get one.
I've flipped on my Fujifilm X100V and got an X100VI. The short time I spent with the X-T5 made me appreciate the new sensor/ processor and IBIS. Had to bit a little more than MSRP (£140) but there's zero stock and huge delays to get one.
The new Snapdragon X stuff is being announced. From the little I've read it seems like a pretty compelling option for flip-flopping between the two worlds if the actual benchmarks of the Qualcomm chips are decent. I would consider trading in my XPS for a 13.8" Surface Laptop in that sweet blue color.
The new laptops are looking very attractive. I want someone to test it first though. But I am cautiously optimistic.
Clearly the year of the Linux desktop.
Why do you think Apple's transition to ARM is a bad thing? Its been viewed so positively by the entire industry that many (most?) of the major PC makers are prepping ARM based machines.
Linux is not without its own problems and personally I think the downsides are more numerous then the upsides for general computing, particularly for typical consumers. I've used Linux here and there and its only gotten better, but its not for general consumption, imo. The Steam Deck is Linux's major success in the consumer segment and that's more game console then a general use computer.
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I'd say Android is closer to Linux's major success in the consumer segment, but your point still stands. It is no coincidence that the places where Linux thrives the most are those where the end user never has to directly interact with it.
Oh no question, its the undisputed success story of Linux for consumers. I actually forgot about Android in composing my reply
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Since ages, every Apple-mouse has –at least– two buttons.
Stupidly, macOS defaults to one button+ctrl, but that can be set in the system settings.
On Windows however, the default settings are two buttons, like it should be.
My MBP runs stable with Sonoma, of course you have to re-run the post-patches of OCLP after every update.
About OCLP, there is a " Windows GMUX" switch in the settings/extras of OCLP that should be activated before
Building and installing OpenCore.
It activates the –much more power-efficient– Intel GPU so the MBA runs as longer on battery with Windows than with macOS. Just select that switchand re-run the Build and Install OpenCore.
Evil Apple has –apparently intentionally– bridled already in the EFI Windows on Macs to use only the second power hungry GPU.
OCLP fools Apple's EFI into pretending booting macOS (enabling the mux between GPUs) and then diverting to Windows.
Clever !
Thanks Dortania to relieve all competion distorting and obsolescense forcing dirty tricks from Apple !
That was me for a long time, and then I just said, why am I straddling the fence, and went on to windows, at first it was a bit of a transition but then I got used to it.
Oddly enough when Apple released the ARM based Macs, that brought me back to the fold - at least partially. I use my MBP but its clearly an ancillary device, i.e., I don't use it every day
2698 replies in the timespan of 5 years lol! And how many changes since then!
Windows is now more sluggish than it ever was, while macOS is now the ultimate choice both price-wise and performance. I would say more: Windows laptops are now overpriced.
With macOS you get full suite of different apps and can buy many more pro apps for very cheap (20-40$ single purchase Pixelmator vs overpriced subscription-based Adobe solutions). And that’s without even mentioning MS products: there are not so many laptops where you get both Windows and Office as a bundle, you will have to waste more money or pirate and compromise your security.
OP has mentioned so many things disliked in macOS (bluetooth and wifi connections). Never had these yet on my Air M1, but my old Dell constantly disconnected from wifi for no reason
Windows is now more sluggish than it ever was, while macOS is now the ultimate choice both price-wise and performance. I would say more: Windows laptops are now overpriced.
With macOS you get full suite of different apps and can buy many more pro apps for very cheap (20-40$ single purchase Pixelmator vs overpriced subscription-based Adobe solutions). And that’s without even mentioning MS products: there are not so many laptops where you get both Windows and Office as a bundle, you will have to waste more money or pirate and compromise your security.
OP has mentioned so many things disliked in macOS (bluetooth and wifi connections). Never had these yet on my Air M1, but my old Dell constantly disconnected from wifi for no reason
Now we're adding Recall (and its apparent hackability) to the mix on newer Windows machines. I wonder how many, if any, will consider going back to MacOS full time, even though Recall can be turned off by the user?
If you're talking about the general public - none. If you're talking about the pro that knows a lot about windows, maybe some, but I don't believe Recall will cause a mass revolt