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I really don't mind Honda, or Mazda. Nissan is OK.

I don't like Toyota much, but not because of the braking issue that arose. It's just their blandness. I know that Honda doesn't make a lot of exciting cars, but they make good cars designed to be used for everyday life. They also don't necessarily make bad cars to drive, either. Even if the Fit is bland, it drives quite well. I've only been in the Japanese version of the Fit, but I'm sure the American version is similar.

And the Mazda3 has become one the best selling vehicles in North America, but without being bland.
 
I'm a Mopar guy through and through so I don't hate Chrysler, but everything they make today is just bloated plastic junk--look at the 300--it's just a fat piece of cheap plastic. It doesn't look expensive, or classy. It looks like an overweight pig made of cheap plastic, just like the Durangos and anything else they've churned out).

The only plastic used on the exterior is on the sideskirts and the front and rear bumpers, like pretty much every other car on the market. The hood and trunk lids were made out of aluminum and were designed for weight savings, in fact the entire chassis itself weighs 900lbs, not bad for one of (if not THE) most rigid midsize car chassis on the market.

Now the interior is pretty much nothing but plastic. The dashboard and upper door panels use high-impact foam covered in vinyl, as most cars on the market do. Then there's those lower dash/door panels that are made out of the hard plastic that everyone bitches and moans about (also used by Toyota, Honda, etc).... also made out of plastic. And then there's the nylon carpet, also made out of plastic duh (well, sorta).

The automatic transmission is a Mercedes 5 speed that was often used in the AMG cars for their durability (and high torque tolerances), although I've seen a lot of complaints about the adaptive programming on it. Ironically, that and the suspension components (clones of Mercedes designs - as forced by Diamler under the merger), are some of the most complained about things on the car.

I think what people hate about the car most are the unconventional aspects. Instead of the A-pillar smoothly flowing up from the fenders as it does on most midsize cars, the hoodlines flow into the beltline and the a-pillar starts higher up, with the mirrors mounted higher up. It's supposed to be an aggressive design stance (take a look at a corvette or any other fairly high end fast car, they tend to have a line that goes from the front to the back).

However, the style issues come with complaints, such as visibility. The side windows don't go as high, and since the side mirrors are mounted higher they get right into the path (which takes a while to get used to). The front end is also pretty low, so you can't run over a parking stop and keep pulling in until your car bounces off the curb, because you'd rip the front bumper off backing out.

I think all of the complaining is hyperbole. The charger and 300 outsell pretty much every competitor and haven't had any major changes in 5+ years, that's saying a lot. The 300 still outsales the Hyundai Genesis by a fair bit, and the Charger outsold the G8 by such a large margin that Pontiac took it off the market in the US.

Don't get me started with the likes of Acura. lol :D Acura has terrible resale, usually worse than Hondas of the same class.
 
I was mostly referring to boring Japanese cars made here for Americans - the Camry, Accord et. al. Also, I'm not sure what things are like over there now, but in the late 90s/early 2000s, there were plenty of turbo versions of cars that we didn't get here (the turbo Silvia for example, or the Bluebird SSS).

ah ok gotcha
 
Don't get me started with the likes of Acura. lol :D Acura has terrible resale, usually worse than Hondas of the same class.

I don't know how it is on the West Coast but over here Acura has a pretty good resale value. My 10 year old Integra with 125K on the clock is still worth over 1/2 of what I bought it for 5 years ago with a lot less miles. Usually Koreans or American cars are worth next to nothing very quickly but most Japanese cars are not in this category.
 
I love how the tagline on their new Town and Country commercial says "Another reason to drive Detroit again" and the T&C isn't even built in Detroit, it's built in Canada :rolleyes:

Bunch of f***ing morons at Chrsyler...
 
I'd like to see a Wrangler with a diesel. I've seen a few Grand Cherokee diesels on the road lately, which I didn't think they had.
 
Not bad.. but I like the Gladiator concept a bit more. Come on, Jeep, make it.

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I had a '97 ZJ I-6. Great vehicle.

I had a 93 ZJ with the 5.2 V8. Took it to 282XXX miles before the tranny went out and it wasn't worth repairing. I like the ZJ's. If gas didn't matter, a 5.9 would be a nice car to drive, but 12mpg won't cut it.

I'm with you. That engine could run on olive oil if you wanted it to.

Thats the truth. Only major problem I know with the 4.0 is the 2000 and up 0331 heads are maybe prone to cracking. Couple the I-6 with the 231 transfer case and the AW4 transmission, this thing is bulletproof.
 
The Mercedes 3.0 CRD can be a small headache, stupid things keep happening with them on the european market 300s (like the engine cover pinning down the diesel hose, the turbo fan being made out of plastic and breaking, etc).

Not sure about Mercedes engines lol.. then again I'd like a Crossfire. **** XD
 
Yeah, the GC and the Liberty had the CRD (Common Rail Diesel) for a couple of years. It was a pretty good engine, but never sold really well. It would be a perfect off-road engine for the Wrangler.

i believe there is conversion kits for that.
 
12mpg? you have enough money to buy a mac pro and whine about gas money? Pft XD
 
Thats the truth. Only major problem I know with the 4.0 is the 2000 and up 0331 heads are maybe prone to cracking. Couple the I-6 with the 231 transfer case and the AW4 transmission, this thing is bulletproof.

Yeah I'm not sure how widespread that issue was. I know my 2000 XJ is fine and it's at 120k miles. I think they did end up making a new head for the Grand Cherokees and Wranglers after 2001. So something must have been up with it.

It's a shame that the I-6 isn't used and it's even more of a shame that the Cherokee is no longer around. Cut the Compass, the Commander and bring the Cherokee back.
 
Yeah I'm not sure how widespread that issue was. I know my 2000 XJ is fine and it's at 120k miles. I think they did end up making a new head for the Grand Cherokees and Wranglers after 2001. So something must have been up with it.

It's a shame that the I-6 isn't used and it's even more of a shame that the Cherokee is no longer around. Cut the Compass, the Commander and bring the Cherokee back.

My 2000 has 117 or so and only problem now is the AC is odd. Blows ice cold, then 15 minutes later it dies. Hoping its just a shim in the clutch, but my mechanic thinks it needs a new compressor.

The new commercials are kind of cool, making you think Jeep would go back to making decent, reliable cars. But I think its just wishful thinking. I know so many people with WJ's that had problems with trannys and electrics. I think the only new Jeep I would buy now is a wrangler. But I would rather have an older TJ rubicon with the 4.0.
 
Pretty sure it takes premium as well. Plus I got the MP on end of life, so it wasn't expensive.

The 5.7s take 89, the V6s take 87, and the SRT engines take 91 or higher. :) At $5 a gallon (ouch), a 5.7 would cost about $2000 more a year in gas than a Honda Civic (and this is a pretty rough guess).. assuming the civic gets 35mpg and the 5.7 300 gets 16mpg, and you drive 12k miles a year.

16mpg is a pretty harsh figure too, can easily get 18+ in mixed driving, I have wider tires and have been really enjoying myself lately (with NO freeway driving) and getting 13-14mpg.

Go figure. OTOH, the Subaru WRX and Nissan's VQ35/37 cars get terrible gas mileage as well when you really drive them hard, so whatever. Here's a little interesting thought: The MDS does work, I've had 25MPG averages very easily on long road trips!

And at that, it's almost got SUV amounts of storage, lol.
 
Toyota > than Chrysler by miles. Chrysler's are so bad they don't even deserve being compared to Toyota.
 
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