For those doubting between the high end and base model

[UBS28]

The base MBP gets beaten by the iPad Pro, which is enough reason for me not to buy it.

At least the high-end version with the 10nm Intel chip is able to go head to head with the iPad Pro and win (comparable CPU performance, but the GPU on the MBP is more powerful).

 

[ctjack]

At least the high-end version with the 10nm Intel chip is able to go head to head with the iPad Pro and win (comparable CPU performance, but the GPU on the MBP is more powerful).

How we come up with proper measurements between the 2 systems: Tablet on ARM and notebook with x64 CPU? Is it geekbench? But who can guarantee that it measures two different systems equally and fair?
$1 cheap calculator is also much better than any MBP at calculating basic things. It is faster to engage, operate and print results. While on MBP i have to swipe from right corner and open calculator and somehow type my numbers either by number row or trackpad.

 

[ajaan]

Hmm, that's weird. Maybe it has to do with RAM since it's a iGPU? Did your base model have 8 or 16 GB RAM? I ordered the 16 GB so I'm hoping it will perform OK. Intel says that the 645 can support 4K 60 Hz and up to 3 displays.

I have the base model with 8GB. RAM does make a bit of difference, because when I upgraded my 2018 Mac mini from stock 8 GB to 32 GB, there were improvements, but it was still sludgy when using it. Although Mini is a 630. So, perhaps base MBP 645 with 16 GB will be an improvement.

Frankly, I don't trust what they say they can support. Because my Mini can support 3 x 4K or a 5K plus a 4K. Sure it can in the sense that they are all powered and they work, but it's not nice using them.

The only other thing I can think of is different brands of monitors? Because using a BENQ *seemed* worse than a Samsung. Perhaps the Apple/LG would work better.

 

[magbarn]

I have the base model with 8GB. RAM does make a bit of difference, because when I upgraded my 2018 Mac mini from stock 8 GB to 32 GB, there were improvements, but it was still sludgy when using it. Although Mini is a 630. So, perhaps base MBP 645 with 16 GB will be an improvement.

Frankly, I don't trust what they say they can support. Because my Mini can support 3 x 4K or a 5K plus a 4K. Sure it can in the sense that they are all powered and they work, but it's not nice using them.

The only other thing I can think of is different brands of monitors? Because using a BENQ *seemed* worse than a Samsung. Perhaps the Apple/LG would work better.

Some people just don’t notice or care about the lag. For me it’s too obvious and bugs the heck out of me. OSX is only ultra smooth with dGPU when driving 4K with scaling on.

Back to the MBP 10th gen, it is decent, still not as smooth as dGPU on MBP 16. It’s much better than the 2018 Mac mini that I returned as the GPU on it was slow on 4K.

 

[davidlv]

I was debating these two and most likely going with the $1799 model. Not because I need a ton of power but I plan on keeping it many years so a small price to pay overall. Plus I really want to charge on the right hand side. I know I sound insane lol

Apple's support docs say you can charge the 13" MBP using any USB C port.

Charge the MacBook Pro battery

Learn how to charge the battery in your MacBook Pro and conserve battery power.

support.apple.com

What's the real story?

 

[wytwolf]

Apple's support docs say you can charge the 13" MBP using any USB C port.

Charge the MacBook Pro battery

Learn how to charge the battery in your MacBook Pro and conserve battery power.

support.apple.com

What's the real story?

yes but the base 13 inch only has USB ports on the left side. That’s why noobinator mentioned the $1799 4 port model. They can charge on left or right side.

 

[C. Robert]

The two USB ports on one side is straight demonic on apple's part. They could have put one on each side but that probably would have made more people but the 2 port low end model.

 

[faust]

Yeah, I'm really disappointed with Apple for sticking with Intel for the 2020 13" MBP. I doubt that Intel will have a smaller process node before late 2021/early 2022 at best. 10th gen really is like the most marginal of improvements, and that's because they're beating the crap out of their 14nm process node to extract any amount of upgrade, and that's leading to increased thermals, especially in their desktop CPUs. TBH, I'm kinda mortified at the idea of Apple ditching x86-64/AMD64 and going solely for ARM. I don't think they will. I think a lower end Macbook will come out with ARM, but I don't envy developers moving forward if Apple veers away from the mutually shared standard of x86-64/AMD64.

I'd just get one built to order with 16" GB and 256-512 GB of storage depending on your usage needs.

The two USB ports on one side is straight demonic on apple's part. They could have put one on each side but that probably would have made more people but the 2 port low end model.

haha rofl apple is filled with a bunch of jokers. i can't believe they actually did that.

 

[littlepud]

The two USB ports on one side is straight demonic on apple's part. They could have put one on each side but that probably would have made more people but the 2 port low end model.

The electrical design of TB3 would probably require a separate Titan Ridge chip on each side of the machine and wouldn’t really reduce the cost compared to the 4-port version.