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Another issue is concurrency. If you have 2 iPhones, you can be downloading data on both phones at the same time. Hence you're consuming twice the bandwidth at the same time.

With tethering, only 1 device is downloading data. Because you have paid for 1 concurrent stream of data, does it matter whether that stream goes to your phone or to your computer?

I have to second this.

Now, if I was tethering WHILE using my iPhone to check my email (why would i want to do that? i'm already using a device to check my email), then I would understand the implication to charge us twice for data usage (cause, really, that's all tethering is, data usage)

You want to argue about something till you're blue in the face, let's start by how much it REALLY costs Cell companies to transfer text message, and why does it cost 5$ for 200$ but they can provide a great deal at 15$ for 1500 text? But for ONLY 5$ MORE, you can send as many text messages as you please (someone have the link to the girl who sent 50,000 text messages?) and it has no ill effects on the network? :confused:
 
All the complaining won't change what AT&T does which is why people that really want to tether have been for many, many months via a JB iPhone. Nothing will change when they introduce some "all inclusive" data/tethering plan, people who think they can replace their home cable or dsl service will rack up huge bills and bitch about it, people who tether on occasion and refuse to be raped by AT&T will still JB their iPhone and use it as they wish.
 
How easy is it to throw up a torrent client on your iPhone? How easy is it to play WoW on your iPhone? Now, how easy is it to throw up a torrent client on your computer? How easy is it to play WoW on your computer? Using data on your computer is SO much easier than on your iPhone.

Precisely. ATT and every other carrier does bean counting. They run statistics. They know that if they offer unlimited data on devices that while some might be on 24/7 - there is a average amount of data a user will use in a given month. They know that a regular phone will most likely eat X megs vs a smart phone which might be 10x.

They've done their homework when it comes to laptop usage which is why the $60 aircard option with a 5gig cap. They've basically said that 5gig has a value of $60 taking into account how it will affect their network, internal costs, etc.

They've determined that $30 is the going rate for unlimited data which they percieve as "fair use" from a smart phone knowing limitations of said smartphone.

24x7 smartphone data usage has to be less than 24/7 laptop data usage. You have to believe they've run studies or made such concessions which led them to their pricing model. It's not completely arbitrary.

Now - as it's been suggested.. and I agree. We have no idea what the model will be for the iphone until it's announced.

But based on logic and the business model that already exists (which is what any analyst would do) - I would think that a 5gb cap will cost $30 or maybe a bit less to make a "package deal" look good.

They might offer tiered pricing with a 1gb, 3gb, 5gb cap. Who knows. We shall see.
 
I have to second this.

Now, if I was tethering WHILE using my iPhone to check my email (why would i want to do that? i'm already using a device to check my email), then I would understand the implication to charge us twice for data usage (cause, really, that's all tethering is, data usage)

You want to argue about something till you're blue in the face, let's start by how much it REALLY costs Cell companies to transfer text message, and why does it cost 5$ for 200$ but they can provide a great deal at 15$ for 1500 text? But for ONLY 5$ MORE, you can send as many text messages as you please (someone have the link to the girl who sent 50,000 text messages?) and it has no ill effects on the network? :confused:

it's already been stated that you can tether two computers to one iphone. So that's two devices using one device's data plan.
 
They've done their homework when it comes to laptop usage which is why the $60 aircard option with a 5gig cap. They've basically said that 5gig has a value of $60 taking into account how it will affect their network, internal costs, etc.
These prices were set some time in the past when economies of scale were much lower and network bandwidth (EDGE) was more limited. Although network bandwidth has increased (3G and HSDPA), so have the number of users. With millions of more customers buying Data Plans (on top of their voice plans), the economies of scale have improved greatly. Pricing structures that were justified 5 years ago are not so easily justified today.

If it really costs $60 a month for 5GB of data, why do several carriers in Canada and Europe offer free tethering?
 
Its not a he/she issue, its a University policy spread across 4 cities. And its a pretty standard policy for many large universities. See, you are oversimplifying an issue, there are thousands upon thousands on systems on the network that they need to support.
This does not answer the question: One PC can wreak havoc. If the university has not really suffered from this, why would they be concerned if two PCs shared one line, or if 3 PCs shared one line?
 
These prices were set some time in the past when economies of scale were much lower and network bandwidth (EDGE) was more limited. Although network bandwidth has increased (3G and HSDPA), so have the number of users. With millions of more customers buying Data Plans (on top of their voice plans), the economies of scale have improved greatly. Pricing structures that were justified 5 years ago are not so easily justified today.

If it really costs $60 a month for 5GB of data, why do several carriers in Canada and Europe offer free tethering?

Because they aren't AT&T? I am aware $60 for 5GB of transfer is the definition of a rip-off. But if AT&T changes the policy for iPhone users, they must change it for everyone. And if that happens, it opens up the cancelation due to contract change clause, and oh boy wouldn't that be fun.

If one carrier changed, others in the US would likely follow. However no carrier wants to take that initiative it seems.
 
"These prices were set some time in the past when economies of scale were much lower and network bandwidth (EDGE) was more limited. Although network bandwidth has increased (3G and HSDPA), so have the number of users. With millions of more customers buying Data Plans (on top of their voice plans), the economies of scale have improved greatly. Pricing structures that were justified 5 years ago are not so easily justified today."


More users, more strain on networks, more maintenance costs, more marketing costs, higher wages, more competition, yadda yadda. The more things change, the more they change the same. I'm not an economist - but I would venture a guess that profit margins are pretty much in line with the cost of inflation + other costs. So that's a wash in my book
 
There are several posts saying that they think ATT has no right to charge more for tethering because you pay for an unlimited data plan.

Let's make something (obvious to me) very clear

1. You pay for unlimited for the device you have registered with them. One device.

2. If you had two iphones, you'd be paying for 2 unlimited data plans. Two Devices = 2 Data plans

If 1 and 2 are true - you have to accept that allowing tethering is opening up more than your ONE device to their bandwidth for which they have EVERY right to charge additional fees for.

Again - you are paying to access the net on ONE device. Tethering allows other devices in ADDITION to your phone to access their network.

So... can we stop with all the complaining or implying that ATT has no right or it's stupid of them to charge extra?

Look at Disney for example. If I pay for an unlimited 1-day park hopper - that entitles ME to go on all the rides. I can't leave at 2pm and then give my ticket to someone else.

If I go to an all you can eat buffet, that doesn't entitle me to take food home, give their food away to other people in the restaurant or worse, go into the kitchen and help myself to whatever they have

...and no. I don't work for ATT nor do I think they are perfect.

you also have the right to shoot an unarmed person in the back if they're trespassing on your property in texas, it's a "right" but does it make sense??? hell nooo

I just talked to rogers on the phone, and they said they recommend people who don't have unlimited data to purchase a plan where they don't get charged through the roof, but if you have the 6gb data plan, nor charges for tethering will be applied... so basically even rogers understands that you can't make a consumer pay twice for the same service..

hopefully AT&T realizes that too..
 
I'd rather have unlimited data on my iPhone (like I did with my blackberry) and not worry/look at the usage and pay a premium for when and if I ever tethered vs having any cap on my unlimited data for my iphone. But that's just me. I'm rarely in a situation where I need to tether and I'm happy to pay a per KB rate or whatever if I had to or add a service for a month like I did when I travelled overseas and added international data.

ATT won't change unlimited data to a capped situation though because the seconds they do that, they allow every customer to cancel their contract. They can only offer additional services, not cut back on the service you're already contracted for without a HUGE problem
 
All of this arguing is ridiculous. Verizon (God's network) charges for tethering. T-Mobile charges for tethering. AT&T charges every other phone for tethering access, so WHY should us iPhone users be special and not have to pay? Where is all of this entitlement coming from over these last few weeks? I have the iPhone, I have AT&T, and I think it should not be free. It makes no sense for it to be free while every other provider/customer needs to pay if they don't have an iPhone.

Those trying to say "It's my data, I should be able to use it how I want" sound moronic. Its your PHONE's data plan, you agreed to that! You have NO right to free tethering. None. Here is an example for ya. I pay to have OS X Leopard installed on my Macbook Pro. If I want to install it on a second system (aka use a second device), I need to legally remove it from my Macbook Pro. I agreed to that when I purchased the software. Tough cookies.

you make a very bad argument.. there is no digital copy of any software or intellectual property...

charging for tethering is like charging someone to wire their computer so their desktop can be visible on their TV. (surfing the net on their TV)

all you're doing is transferring the location of the service you've already paid for...

I live in canada, and Rogers said they're going to continue to have no charges on tethering unless you go over your 6gb of data per month...

all the US networks are screwing over their customers... I remember when Rogers first came out, they were going to have very expensive plans until people made a fuss and wrote letters and everything..thats when they came out with 6GB for $30 per month..

maybe AT&T customers should do the same..
 
More users, more strain on networks, more maintenance costs, more marketing costs, higher wages, more competition, yadda yadda. The more things change, the more they change the same. I'm not an economist - but I would venture a guess that profit margins are pretty much in line with the cost of inflation + other costs. So that's a wash in my book
More users equates to more strain on the network. True, and this applies to standard on-phone data use as well. A service provider has to increase bandwidth and coverage in order to support a growing customer base, which adds to their cost.

However, this cost is more than offset by an explosion of new customers. New cell towers will only be built in areas where congestion is high, and newer cell towers have greater multiplexing capability, allowing them to handle more concurrent users.

The cost per customer decreases over time despite the cost to build new towers or upgrade existing ones. If AT&T were losing customers, then of course the cost per customer would rise.

I'm rarely in a situation where I need to tether and I'm happy to pay a per KB rate or whatever if I had to or add a service for a month like I did when I travelled overseas and added international data.
I would argue the opposite. If tethering is something I would do only occasionally, I would not want to be nickled-and-dimed. Some things should just be included up to a limit.

ATT won't change unlimited data to a capped situation though because the seconds they do that, they allow every customer to cancel their contract. They can only offer additional services, not cut back on the service you're already contracted for without a HUGE problem
This problem is easily overcome. Like this:

From AT&T to our iPhone customers:

1. Your current contract says Do Not Tether.
2. We are amending your contract by giving you a new feature.
3. You can now tether up to X GB per month free of charge.
4. If you want more then X GB per month, the fee structure will be ....

Done. Customers can legally cancel their service contracts only if the charges for existing features are increased. This is easy to justify: A contract is a fixed-term agreement with fixed costs. If the costs change (i.e. increase), then the contract has been violated, but if a new feature is added, the contract remains perfectly viable.
 
Because they aren't AT&T? I am aware $60 for 5GB of transfer is the definition of a rip-off. But if AT&T changes the policy for iPhone users, they must change it for everyone. And if that happens, it opens up the cancelation due to contract change clause, and oh boy wouldn't that be fun.
AT&T sells Blackberries in addition to iPhones. The Blackberry data plan is higher than the iPhone data plan. If I recall correctly, the BB data plan is between $40 and $60 per month. I don't think this has caused a ruckus among Blackberry users.

Eventually AT&T would have to reevaluate their pricing structure for Blackberry, but for now they have not seen the need to equalize prices.

If one carrier changed, others in the US would likely follow. However no carrier wants to take that initiative it seems.
Why should one carrier care if others have to lower their prices?
 
If it really costs $60 a month for 5GB of data, why do several carriers in Canada and Europe offer free tethering?

Is this a serious question?

I pay for my 6GB/month, I expect to be able to use my 6GB/month.

Enough said.

No where does it say you're paying for 6 GB/month. That's defined as abuse which likely only a fraction reach under intended usage. Nice try at establishing an entitlement though.
 
No extra charge here !

Here in nz unbelievably vodafone have chosen not to charge extra for tethering. I was certain they would as us kiwi's have the most expensive iphone plans in the world!... It's not often I can say nice things about vodafonenz I can tell you!
 
The main issue I have is that the vast majority of devices can be used as modems (i.e. tethering) without any bundle. It's especially easy on a PC.

The cheeky thing is that AT&T are charging for it, because 'they can'. All you need to know is their packet switched data APN and in theory - away you go on any Nokia etc...

Orange in the UK have a dedicated support team who will help you use any phone as a modem at no cost.
 
Here in nz unbelievably vodafone have chosen not to charge extra for tethering. I was certain they would as us kiwi's have the most expensive iphone plans in the world!... It's not often I can nice things about vodafonenz I can tell you!
Thanks for the information. Does Vodafone charge for tethering on other kinds of phones? Do other carriers in New Zealand charge for tethering?
 
Thanks for the information. Does Vodafone charge for tethering on other kinds of phones? Do other carriers in New Zealand charge for tethering?

Vodafone are shaming O2 again.

Can't wait until O2 lose the iPhone, there just money grabbing bastards.
 
"All you need to know is their packet switched data APN and in theory - away you go on any Nokia "

Right. You know I get water in my house - but that doesn't mean I can just tap into the line wherever I want.

ATT is a utility. They are providing a service and controlling their commodity.
 
Data is data, it's still going through your iPhone, and it's not like AT&T didn't already price gouge you $30 / month for "unlimited" data.

It's a fair trade. If I bought a modem / internet connection, it's like your ISP charging you double because you decided to plug up another computer to your network, or use a different device to go online.

Not to mention price gouging for text messages, don't even get me started on that...:p
 
No where does it say you're paying for 6 GB/month. That's defined as abuse which likely only a fraction reach under intended usage. Nice try at establishing an entitlement though.

What on earth are you talking about?

I pay $30/month for 6GB/month of data. How is using any (or even all) of that data defined as "abuse?"
 
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