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For those that think Tethering shouldn't incur an additional fee....

NStocks said:
Ok, thanks anyway.

Can someone on o2 in England on a pay monthly contract post your network setting to make sure I''ve got mine set up correctly please.

I've also been charged £0.80 extra for no reason :confused: Has anyone on a new contract had a additional charge ?

Cheers

Nstocks
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Mmmm .. you paid 02 for tethering ;)

APN: idata.o2.co.uk
Username: vertigo
Password: password

Visual Voicemail
(same as "Cellular data")

MMS
APN: idata.o2.co.uk
Username: vertigo
Password: password
MMSC: http://mmsc.mms.o2.co.uk:8002
MMS Proxy: 193.113.200.195:8080
MMS Max Message Size: 307200
 

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samcraig said:
How do I know? Demographics KSZ. Are you seriously going to tell me that blackberry business users and iPhone users are the same in demographics and total bandwidth usage?
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I've already pointed out that BB demographics are tilted towards business users whereas iPhone is tilted toward consumers. The assertion being challenged is your claim that BB tethering is used exclusively for emails, spreadsheets, and similar low-bandwidth business applications. I am asking you to justify that claim.
 
techguy1 said:
Mmmm .. you paid 02 for tethering ;)

APN: idata.o2.co.uk
Username: vertigo
Password: password

Visual Voicemail
(same as "Cellular data")

MMS
APN: idata.o2.co.uk
Username: vertigo
Password: password
MMSC: http://mmsc.mms.o2.co.uk:8002
MMS Proxy: 193.113.200.195:8080
MMS Max Message Size: 307200
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No, and I don't have the tethering bolt on. I've got those setting apart from MMS, which are different to what o2 have on their website. Even if I change MMS I still don't see anything for internet tethering :S

Ok, the settings I changed from when it came out of the box are for o2 customers who don't have a iPhone tariff but have a iPhone, on their website : http://www.selflearning.co.uk/o2/o2_iphone/

Following the setting you have, I still don't see tethering ANYWHERE :S Weird.
 
The way I see it, it's no different than using a monitor on a computer. It's not another connection to the network, it's just porting the same connection over to a different output method. For the record, the internet companies that charge to use a router for home internet charge to use THEIR router. It's a hardware thing. I've never heard of a company successfully denying it on separately purchased hardware.
 
uberamd said:
How is this still an issue? AT&T does not include tethering in their standard data packages for any phones. It costs extra. Verizon, and Sprint do the same thing from what I understand. And Verizon charges $40 a month for 250MB of transfer. So quit saying you deserve it, because the contract you signed says otherwise.
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The issue is whether or not Verizon or AT&T or Sprint or anyone should be charging more for tethering. Right now they just kind of sweep it under the rug and say "Oh we're not going to tell you why we charge you another 30 ***** dollars"
 
Scorch07 said:
The way I see it, it's no different than using a monitor on a computer. It's not another connection to the network, it's just porting the same connection over to a different output method. For the record, the internet companies that charge to use a router for home internet charge to use THEIR router. It's a hardware thing. I've never heard of a company successfully denying it on separately purchased hardware.
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it's apples and oranges. You didn't have to sign any agreement when you bought your computer or monitor. Voice/Data is a utility.
 
Scorch07 said:
The way I see it, it's no different than using a monitor on a computer. It's not another connection to the network, it's just porting the same connection over to a different output method.
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I can save you lots of trouble. Just get a cable and use the video output on your iPhone. Then use that on a monitor and call it the same. Win.
 
I read this thread a couple days ago but have not stayed up to speed. if they charge for it, I'll unlock. Plain and simple. Wether i can use my computer or not is not going to effect the amount of data that I use. I use the internet on the phone constantly regardless. The only thing that it changes for me is the screen size and flash capability. I'm not paying additional for those features.
 
Wateroksnmud said:
I read this thread a couple days ago but have not stayed up to speed. if they charge for it, I'll unlock. Plain and simple. Wether i can use my computer or not is not going to effect the amount of data that I use. I use the internet on the phone constantly regardless. The only thing that it changes for me is the screen size and flash capability. I'm not paying additional for those features.
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Thanks for replying, I was missing all the fun....;)
 
This is the way I look at it....

I was recently in San Francisco for several weeks, staying at one of those hotels that charges an absolutely ludicrous amount for internet access. I am not a big mobile browser...I like it for quick searches and checking my facebook or whatever, but I can't surf for a long period of time on an iPhone.

Since this was before easy tethering without jailbreaking (and I didn't feel like jailbreaking), I went ahead and got myself an aircard and signed up for the $60/month service. I figure with the amount of traveling I do, and working in areas without wifi access, it would almost pay for itself.

Let me assure you that the service on the AT&T aircard in the Union Square area of San Fran, even sitting by a window facing pure openness, was TERRIBLE. Unless I held my laptop at a certain angle in the window, I could barely get enough service to even read email. That is hardly worth $60/month. Luckily, they have a 30-day return policy, so I used it for my few weeks in San Fran, will pay my data charges, and have already returned it.

Now, every now and then, I need to download something to my laptop while out at work. I have no interest in torrenting, streaming video, watching my sling, or whatever over a cell connection, so I won't be abusing the network at all. Since there are only three options (no access, pay $60/month for bad access, or be sneaky and tether a little bit), I chose to tether for the few times I need it. I would GLADLY pay and extra $10/month for it...but not $60/month when I will barely ever use it, and only for light use. Offer some tiered plans here.

So yeah, I don't agree with the "I have unlimited data and I will use it up however I feel", but I also don't agree with "the only way you are allowed to do this is by doubling your bill".
 
samcraig said:
There are several posts saying that they think ATT has no right to charge more for tethering because you pay for an unlimited data plan.

Let's make something (obvious to me) very clear

1. You pay for unlimited for the device you have registered with them. One device.

2. If you had two iphones, you'd be paying for 2 unlimited data plans. Two Devices = 2 Data plans

If 1 and 2 are true - you have to accept that allowing tethering is opening up more than your ONE device to their bandwidth for which they have EVERY right to charge additional fees for.

Again - you are paying to access the net on ONE device. Tethering allows other devices in ADDITION to your phone to access their network.

So... can we stop with all the complaining or implying that ATT has no right or it's stupid of them to charge extra?

Look at Disney for example. If I pay for an unlimited 1-day park hopper - that entitles ME to go on all the rides. I can't leave at 2pm and then give my ticket to someone else.

If I go to an all you can eat buffet, that doesn't entitle me to take food home, give their food away to other people in the restaurant or worse, go into the kitchen and help myself to whatever they have

...and no. I don't work for ATT nor do I think they are perfect.
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Can someone use the iphone to browse at the same time as someone tethering and on a macbook?

If not then your 2 iphone analogy is utterly ridiculous.
 
Hello? Did you read the thread in the link. Let me paste it here in case you have trouble clicking on the link...

"My friend got his 3Gs today and setup tethering on his laptop through USB and I set up tethering on my Macbook Pro through bluetooth on the same device. "
 
samcraig said:
Hello? Did you read the thread in the link. Let me paste it here in case you have trouble clicking on the link...

"My friend got his 3Gs today and setup tethering on his laptop through USB and I set up tethering on my Macbook Pro through bluetooth on the same device. "
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That's not what I asked. If you have set up tethering on your macbook pro could I pick up your iphone and browse on that at the same time?
 
The argument for tethering is that you still are providing internet to only ONE device. The post that recently went up states that more than one device can use the tether.

Some people who posted in this thread have an argument that holds no water now because tethering ONE device's unlimited internet can, in fact, be used by more than ONE machine.

Regardless of how I phrased the original post - the point that ATT has a right to charge for tethering for uses BEYOND just iphone use is valid.
 
samcraig said:
The argument for tethering is that you still are providing internet to only ONE device. The post that recently went up states that more than one device can use the tether.

Some people who posted in this thread have an argument that holds no water now because tethering ONE device's unlimited internet can, in fact, be used by more than ONE machine.

Regardless of how I phrased the original post - the point that ATT has a right to charge for tethering for uses BEYOND just iphone use is valid.
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You still haven't answered my question though, If you put a post up for debate you can't then restrict the argument to the bits you want.;)
 
I don't know the answer to your question because I don't have tethering on my phone. Perhaps someone else can

I don't see how that makes a difference though. If you pay ATT for unlimited data for the iPhone - then moving that internet to another computer is not in the agreement (currently). The argument raised is that it's still only one device accessing the internet so it shouldn't matter. The fact is - it's now been shown that multiple devices can connect to that same ONE unlimited plan. That means it's not an iphone OR a computer - but now more than one computer.
 
samcraig said:
The argument for tethering is that you still are providing internet to only ONE device. The post that recently went up states that more than one device can use the tether.

Some people who posted in this thread have an argument that holds no water now because tethering ONE device's unlimited internet can, in fact, be used by more than ONE machine.

Regardless of how I phrased the original post - the point that ATT has a right to charge for tethering for uses BEYOND just iphone use is valid.
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You are forgetting the DSL sharing analogy which makes the "one" device argument baseless. It's an artificial restriction; there is no law of nature at play here other than corporate greed.

And remember also that we're talking about a future revision to the policy, which again makes your "one" device argument irrelevant because the current policy only says "do not tether." It says nothing about restriction to one device or restriction to X GB per month. Nothing. The policy begins and stops at "do not tether."
 
ksz said:
You are forgetting the DSL sharing analogy which makes the "one" device argument baseless. It's an artificial restriction; there is no law of nature at play here other than corporate greed.

And remember also that we're talking about a future revision to the policy, which again makes your "one" device argument irrelevant because the future policy may amend that. AT&T's policy today is "do not tether." It says nothing about restriction to one device or restriction to X GB per month. Nothing. The policy stops at "do not tether."
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So do you think those tethering right now are going to get a bill in the mail? They are after all using the official tether option, which might have something built into it to tell AT&T that tethering is going on.
 
I'm not forgetting anything.

Home internet and mobile internet are entirely different animals. Apples and Oranges.
 
better yet - if they get a bill - do you think they should pay it - or argue it?
 
samcraig said:
better yet - if they get a bill - do you think they should pay it - or argue it?
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The policy says don't tether. They had to download a modified carrier file to enable it. Its impossible for someone to argue they accidentally tethered, so I think they should pay. Where does AT&T advertise free tethering until they get the official launch ready?
 
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