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Saw it and it's garbage from a moron (Not you OP, but Angela the bungler).

I'm fine with no line...but the issue is the weeks delay in shipping. That isn't the way to avoid lines, that's a huge mismanagement in understanding demand and supply chain.

I can understand the watch... That's a new product. But the macbook, no...
 
Saw it and it's garbage from a moron (Not you OP, but Angela the bungler).

I'm fine with no line...but the issue is the weeks delay in shipping. That isn't the way to avoid lines, that's a huge mismanagement in understanding demand and supply chain.

I can understand the watch... That's a new product. But the macbook, no...

In all fairness, the MacBook is a new product too. Uses no parts from existing MBs I know of, built new from the ground up.
 
If people are going this nuts over having to order online and wait for their MacBooks and watches, just wait for the ***** storm when this happens with the iPhone in 5 months :p
 
If people are going this nuts over having to order online and wait for their MacBooks and watches, just wait for the ***** storm when this happens with the iPhone in 5 months :p

billions in the bank, you'd think after this many years, Apple would figure out how to organize a launch event
 
Conspiracy theory: last minute problem was discovered and they held the launch until they know what to do... :eek:
 
billions in the bank, you'd think after this many years, Apple would figure out how to organize a launch event

To the contrary, I believe they have. Once we all get used to it it'll work much better. Online and UPS/FedEX is a much more efficient way to deliver the initial mass of units at a popular Apple launch. Once the initial hype is over, and the earliest adopters have had their products delivered, the stores will kick in to help sustain sales.

Keep in mind there are only 265 physical Apple Stores in the U.S., and another 188 internationally. Not enough capacity to be the prime initial focus for a big launch. This smaller launch is a trial run, and will get customers used to the new way. Next iPhone launch will be overall smoother if customer expectations can be adjusted toward online ordering first.

For those who love the retail store experience, just expect to wait through the initial online hype, and then there'll be plenty of store stock, and fewer lines to wait in and crowds to push through.

I honestly don't see why this doesn't make a lot more sense.
 
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To the contrary, I believe they have. Once we all get used to it it'll work much better. Online and UPS/FedEX is a much more efficient way to deliver the initial mass of units at a popular Apple launch. Once the initial hype is over, and the earliest adopters have had their products delivered, the stores will kick in to help sustain sales.

Keep in mind there are only 265 physical Apple Stores in the U.S., and another 188 internationally. Not enough capacity to be the prime initial focus for a big launch. This smaller launch is a trial run, and will get customers used to the new way. Next iPhone launch will be overall smoother if customer expectations can be adjusted toward online ordering first.

For those who love the retail store experience, just expect to wait through the initial online hype, and then there'll be plenty of store stock, and fewer lines to wait in and crowds to push through.

I honestly don't see why this doesn't make a lot more sense.

so let me get this straight.

launch a product with no demo (in most locations) and no ability to order in store....

if you want to buy one, you have to wait 3-4 weeks to get them.


I can not wait for the "future" of buying Apple product
 
Apple is being it's typical very clever self. They're doing damage control without being obvious about it... very smart indeed.

The lines had to subside at some point. Apple couldn't possibly come up with killer products year after year, that make the faithful turn into drones standing in line.

Like the savvy marketers they are, they are tricking people into believing it's their idea to kill off waiting in line.

Just one more example of how Apple gets big bucks from us.
 
so let me get this straight.

launch a product with no demo (in most locations) and no ability to order in store....

if you want to buy one, you have to wait 3-4 weeks to get them.


I can not wait for the "future" of buying Apple product

Many retail products are announced well in advance of their initial release. Large car shows, for example, show off upcoming year models in October and November, and you can't actually buy one until January or February. Movies are previewed well in advance of release. It's how many products are previewed, teased, etc...to build up customer anticipation.
In terms of actual "launch", Apple tends to sell many more initial units than other retailers. So after the announcement, launch day begins with online sales that need to be shipped to customers homes and businesses. Once those initial sales are delivered, the stores begin selling stock for people who want and need to see and demo the product first.
Prior to this approach, popular product launches meant people sleeping on sidewalks outside Apple stores (unsightly, disruptive to other businesses), squatters poaching tons of product to send overseas for inflated resale, and crowded stores which may have hindered the marketing and sale of other products besides the newly launched ones.
Focusing on online first deals with these issues. People who want orders as soon as possible can order online and wait for the shipping. Others can then go to the stores.
We'll all get used to it.

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Apple is being it's typical very clever self. They're doing damage control without being obvious about it... very smart indeed.

The lines had to subside at some point. Apple couldn't possibly come up with killer products year after year, that make the faithful turn into drones standing in line.

Like the savvy marketers they are, they are tricking people into believing it's their idea to kill off waiting in line.

Just one more example of how Apple gets big bucks from us.

Interesting (and plausible) take. I agree they're being deliberate and strategic. This may well be, at least partly, a motivation.
 
Many retail products are announced well in advance of their initial release. Large car shows, for example, show off upcoming year models in October and November, and you can't actually buy one until January or February. Movies are previewed well in advance of release. It's how many products are previewed, teased, etc...to build up customer anticipation.
In terms of actual "launch", Apple tends to sell many more initial units than other retailers. So after the announcement, launch day begins with online sales that need to be shipped to customers homes and businesses. Once those initial sales are delivered, the stores begin selling stock for people who want and need to see and demo the product first.
Prior to this approach, popular product launches meant people sleeping on sidewalks outside Apple stores (unsightly, disruptive to other businesses), squatters poaching tons of product to send overseas for inflated resale, and crowded stores which may have hindered the marketing and sale of other products besides the newly launched ones.
Focusing on online first deals with these issues. People who want orders as soon as possible can order online and wait for the shipping. Others can then go to the stores.
We'll all get used to it.

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Interesting (and plausible) take. I agree they're being deliberate and strategic. This may well be, at least partly, a motivation.



Different products have different nature. If you want more extreme examples, airplane are typically delivered years even decades after first announcement, theirs no point comparing different products. At least for MacBooks, I don't recall a more than one month wait time before it actually gets delivered.

And you think by online ordering you can reduce reselling and shipping products overseas? That is simply naive. Just think, one person can only buy two iPhones while waiting in line, and it's difficult to cut the line, and this is the most fair first come first serve, you can't cheat time. But by online ordering, on person can have multiple apple ids, and he may be able to buy tens, hundreds of iPhones for resell. And they can have cheating bots to fight for those limited launch day supplies, no way human can beat a automatic computer program.
Plus, if wait in line, you will have to pay your whole night for two iPhones, and probably you can earn something by selling them, many people won't feel it worth the night. But if online ordering? Just stay up at 1200 or 300 eastern time, you can potentially buy two, or more, iPhones and sell them for the same payback. Which would encourage reselling?
As for shipping them overseas, people in non-launch countries have no access to the line, so they can't fight against people here in the U.S., all they can do is buying from a few people who are reselling iPhones. But by ordering online, they have the same access to the online stores as we do, and now they are able to fight against us. Before, it's just people here in the U.S. Fighting for the supply, but by ordering online, the whole world is fighting for the same amount of supply. It's not gonna solve the problem, it's just gonna get it worse



The only way to reduce the reselling is to reduce the reselling market, that is to make sure everyone want one can buy one pretty soon, otherwise no matter what you do, there will always be a reselling
 
Here's the real problem: I went to the Apple Store last night and was told that "yes, we have them and you can buy them tomorrow." I specifically asked if they would be purchasable. So I showed up this morning at 8:30am. Two others were there to buy MacBooks as well. We spoke to three Apple employees. All said they had stock and we could buy them at 10:00am. Finally 10:00am hits, we rush in, head to the new MacBook display and all three say yes go get our new laptops. They actually go back to the store room... And then a longish wait and then several different sales people talk to us and say it may not happen. Finally the manager speaks to us and says there was a glitch in the system showing the display units as available stock. He was very nice and I'm not angry with him at all. But how is that kind of error possible in today's world. Apple is a computer company with successful stores. How do they not know their inventory? So I basically wasted 3 hours of my day between last night and this morning. Yes I got to see it, but I already knew I was buying it--or actually, not buying it.

Oh well, the manager was very nice, took our names and said he'd call when they are in, even hold them for us.

So that was cool.

That's just dumb. No way to relate to a retail establishment that does not want a store full of people buying merchandise.

The manager tried to accommodate. Hope you get your MB very soon.
 
Fact of life: until the product is in your hands, you're going to have to play by someone else's rules.
 
You know Nintendo markets their product the same way: artificially limited stock at launch to drive up hype and demand. This isn't an "accident", and nothing has been "fumbled, bungled, or badly planned. Razer has a habit of doing this too, and from following a number of their past system launches, I've heard many of the same complaints.

If you think about it though, it's absolutely ingenious, though, because in pushing people online to order there is no WAY the general population can track initial stock. . which means that they can actually boost production and still APPEAR to have a bare minimum of stock which in turn drives hype and sales. it also pushes those on the fence to either order early [or later, when they finally start hitting stores] snatch up that rare little gem that, if readily available in quantity, the average on the fence consumer may pass on.

I'm not saying I *LIKE* it, but look at how rabidly people are pouncing on the proverbial fence to get their mitts on these things. It's marketing, and it's very clearly effective.
 
You know Nintendo markets their product the same way: artificially limited stock at launch to drive up hype and demand. This isn't an "accident", and nothing has been "fumbled, bungled, or badly planned. Razer has a habit of doing this too, and from following a number of their past system launches, I've heard many of the same complaints.

If you think about it though, it's absolutely ingenious, though, because in pushing people online to order there is no WAY the general population can track initial stock. . which means that they can actually boost production and still APPEAR to have a bare minimum of stock which in turn drives hype and sales. it also pushes those on the fence to either order early [or later, when they finally start hitting stores] snatch up that rare little gem that, if readily available in quantity, the average on the fence consumer may pass on.

I'm not saying I *LIKE* it, but look at how rabidly people are pouncing on the proverbial fence to get their mitts on these things. It's marketing, and it's very clearly effective.

Nice theory but completely false. I think if Apple had more $15,000 watches $2,000 MacBooks laying around, they wouldn't be waiting until June or even 4-6 weeks to sell them. No company in their right mind would, they love taking your money.
 
Nice theory but completely false.

Well then, sir, i would say we have a "difference of opinion". I still say limited supply drives high demand even higher in these cases, but until Apple releases actual numbers I guess we'll have to wait and see.

But if you have the time and have a contact, I'd highly recommend running my theory by an actual economist. I'd be interested in their take on my 'opinion'...

IN other news:

With Apple, even after you have the product, you have to play by their rules

This is true, to a point. It DOES, however, have tradeoffs. . like security and compatibility. At the same time, there's this small part of me that wants to argue it's not ENTIRELY true, as we still have terminal access in OS X ; )
 
Well then, sir, i would say we have a "difference of opinion". I still say limited supply drives high demand even higher in these cases, but until Apple releases actual numbers I guess we'll have to wait and see.

But if you have the time and have a contact, I'd highly recommend running my theory by an actual economist. I'd be interested in their take on my 'opinion'..

You must not keep up to date with Apple news. 3 weeks ago there was a report saying that Quanta was falling behind in production because close to 70% of Watches they were churning out were defective. Apple had to get the Foxconn plant to start making them quickly to try and build up stock. Quanta also didn't do too well with the MacBook either as they clearly don't have enough of those either. It has nothing to do with Apple playing supply and demand games with the releases, it has to do with Quanta dropping the ball and needing to be bailed out weeks before the pre-order. The limited stock is real.

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/wearables/37265-quanta-reportedly-struggling-with-apple-watch

http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...nn-to-build-samsung-to-provide-oleds---report
 
You must not keep up to date with Apple news. 3 weeks ago there was a report saying that Quanta was falling behind in production because close to 70% of Watches they were churning out were defective. Apple had to get the Foxconn plant to start making them quickly to try and build up stock. Quanta also didn't do too well with the MacBook either as they clearly don't have enough of those either. It has nothing to do with Apple playing supply and demand games with the releases, it has to do with Quanta dropping the ball and needing to be bailed out weeks before the pre-order. The limited stock is real.

if you want to believe their stories, stories we've heard with just about every new "big thing" product launch has, it's up to you.

And OBVIOUSLY they had issues with the new MacBook, because there obviously weren't enough produced, because now there are temporary shortages driving up demand and pushing up pre order sales... Oh, wait...
 
if you want to believe their stories, stories we've heard with just about every new "big thing" product launch has, it's up to you.

And OBVIOUSLY they had issues with the new MacBook, because there obviously weren't enough produced, because now there are temporary shortages driving up demand and pushing up pre order sales... Oh, wait...

It's one thing to say "Sorry, not in stock right now"

but to not even have any for demo is downright embarrassing.
 
but to not even have any for demo is downright embarrassing.

If I had to guess, I'd say someone didn't want any chance of distracting anyone from the Apple Watch launch. That's the new product line, and I'd bet they want all hands on deck to be focused on making sure it sticks.

Which is not to say I AGREE with it, I'd have loved to see what I'm buying in person before nabbing one. You can only get so much from video reviews.


PS: my MacBook shipped from Shanghai, 2:08 CST this morning. Apple's website on a space grey base model still says "ships 1-3 days" [at time of posting]

So they HAVE stock, even if it is only specific models.
 
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