You sure about that?
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/n...den-nsa-workers-sharing-racy-photos/12930807/
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Love this logic! If Apple is suspected/guilty of personal data infringement, Google most assuredly is as well, and probably worse!
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Forensic Expert Questions Covert 'Backdoor' Services Included in iOS by Apple
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You sure about that?
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/n...den-nsa-workers-sharing-racy-photos/12930807/
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Love this logic! If Apple is suspected/guilty of personal data infringement, Google most assuredly is as well, and probably worse!
Exactly the same happens in PC World and places like this. It's not right but it happens, and sadly isn't too surprising to hear about.
Only drug dealers and criminals would have to be worry about this.
Kids... be sure those back doors are not meant to see the porn you are watching.
What is amazing is the ego of the people who say: ohhh... I do not trust Apple any more! And they are in the internet posting. An smart person just do not post anything in first place in public places.
Then you are complaining when a plane goes down or when there is a terrorist act: where was the CIA?
Today they can track your messages, position, everything! and trust me, that is an issue that has stopped gang members from committing murders. If I have an iPhone and I get murdered, the police will know where I was and the messages exchanged and they can compare my position with the suspects.
I am very free for Apple to be doing that, as I say, I live in the real world, I am not a show off ego maniac kid.
Kids... be sure those back doors are not meant to see the porn you are watching.
What is amazing is the ego of the people who say: ohhh... I do not trust Apple any more! And they are in the internet posting. An smart person just do not post anything in first place in public places.
Then you are complaining when a plane goes down or when there is a terrorist act: where was the CIA?
Today they can track your messages, position, everything! and trust me, that is an issue that has stopped gang members from committing murders. If I have an iPhone and I get murdered, the police will know where I was and the messages exchanged and they can compare my position with the suspects.
I am very free for Apple to be doing that, as I say, I live in the real world, I am not a show off ego maniac kid.
Why the conspiracy theory paranoia? The government has pretty much been caught red handed violating the constitution, trampling over the 4th amendment, abusing power etc.
Continue to question and always assume our centralized, increasingly power hungry and paranoid government will use tools like this to abuse its citizens.
You as a citizen are duty bound to keep an eye on this kind of thing and question it at every turn. Nothing wrong with that and you shouldn't feel like you are conspiracy theorist but instead a guardian of our rights and a good citizen.
Get lazy and freedom erodes. Keep fighting and we keep our rights.
Continue to question and always assume our centralized, increasingly power hungry and paranoid government will use tools like this to abuse its citizens.
You as a citizen are duty bound to keep an eye on this kind of thing and question it at every turn. Nothing wrong with that and you shouldn't feel like you are conspiracy theorist but instead a guardian of our rights and a good citizen.
Get lazy and freedom erodes. Keep fighting and we keep our rights.
Oh I am sure this happens in a lot (more? less?) controlled environments than the NSA, but was just giving an example of where this is actually documented as occuring when the OP said it wasn't.
Still holding out the OP was incredibly sarcastic, though
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I bet you'll be thrilled after the fact
If there was a lot of truth in this article hackers would be exploiting these features right and left! Since we see little of that I really doubt that the characterization of these features is correct. Especially the idea that developers can't make use of them.
It's a shame Al Gore and not Dick Cheney is on Apple's Board. This might get more attention from the media & "consumers groups" about the nature of these backdoors, and what they contain. A lot of people do business on their phones and if the gov't can access, then bet corporate espionage (many times state sponsored if industries are nationalized) can too. There should at the least be full disclosure to consumers about what can be accessed and under what conditions.
Hey, I am law enforcement. You don't mind if I setup some cameras in your house and you let me go through your personal computer on a bi weekly basis with an automated script? I need to do this to make sure no terrorists or drug dealers setup shop in your house. It is for your protection.
I hope this was sarcasm. The very nature of backdoors are that they're insecure! That's why they're a back door! They're unlocked, and nobody notices them sneaking in late at night. As for your comments about your girlfriend, Snowden recently leaked that yes, lots of innocent, boring people are caught up in the spying and yes, they do pass around the office photos of nude people. They can turn on your webcam and see you having sex, and they laugh about it. Why? Because they have absolutely no oversight. The military industrial complex is what us citizens must ultimately serve, and they are given a blank check and nobody knows what in the hell is going on in those buildings except people like Snowden who leak it.
This guy understands 100%. You're a rare findeven on the internetwhich is saying something.
Read the slides he provided. All your data can be pulled off your device, remotely. private photos, contacts, massages, emails, even records you have deleted. This data can be valuable to "anyone".
Nah... the presentation is misleading because it only presents a partial view of the iOS security. It is much more secure than Android. Look at the number of malware and botnets on Android today.
For encrypted storage, it is true that the hardware encryption layer is keyed to a device key. This however makes iOS *more* secure because (1) It is faster to erase data that way (almost instantaneously) when you lose the device. (2) If you forget the passcode, or sell the device to another dude, iOS can still erase the data without your passcode if you forgot to do so. It is also much more power efficient.
iOS has a multi-layer security. On top of this hardware encrypted storage, Apple also provides a Data Protection API. For example, the email attachments, secure messages and documents, are further encrypted with your passcode generated key. This double layer of protection together with fine grain sandboxing is more than sufficient to prevent Apple, government or anyone else to steal your data behind your back.
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If anyone is this paranoid about privacy and security then you shouldn't be on this message board, on the internet in general, or have any phone. I don't believe in any conspiracy theories because stuff would leak. People are brainwashed by movies and tv, there isn't anyone coming to get you unless you have done things to warrant it and even then most crooks get away with crime especially if you are rich, straight, and white.
Remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rwsuXHA7RA
You are just one of the crazy ones who can change the world.
HAHAHA! It's like you have no knowledge of history and government abuse of citizens.
OK, put this power in the hands of good government and they can do good things with it and keep us all safe from the bad guys. I agree with you there. It can be used for good and keep us safe. . .
. . . who's going to be in charge in 10 years? 20 years? What is that government going to be like? Can you tell me now that we trust that government? You don't even know who they are. What are they going to do with those tools?
Keeping your government in the dark as to where and what you are doing is something that will keep control and manipulation out of their hands.
As for the professional part, just recently they were outed for sharing snooped naked pics of vacuumed up personal data amongst each other.
The more you give to them, the more they are going to take away from you.
That doesn't mean the slides are being truthful. The data can be encrypted by additional layer of iOS security. Even if you managed to pull it off, it's unreadable.
In the first place, there is no known way to pull all data remotely. It will require physical access of the device first. T
The article also claims that Apple doesn't tell us what data they collect. If you go to your Settings app, I remember there is a Diagnostics & Usage option that will show you the logs that's sent to Apple for diagnostics purposes (if you agree to submit data to Apple).
That dude is just trying to make his points more scary by ignoring other layer of iOS security. He simply took a subset of the services, and then claim that Apple or the government could steal all your data. But if you look at the full stack, they can't do it without your passcode/Touch ID.
You will be the former owner of an iPhone... and dead.
I giggled. I also wonder why someone would exchange messages with their killer. Position comparison: Prone & Standing.
On topic: To me this is neither surprising or unexpected. I don't think it's just Apple either. I would be interested in Apple's response to this.
I'm not sure if you are serious here.
There is no such thing as a secure backdoor.
If you are serious then you are effectively nuts.
Do you honestly Believe the guys we have in Washington right now are the good guys? By the way this question has nothing to do with the political parties, but rather with our elected officials in general. The fact is the majority of them would stab the common man in the back without hesitation.
Even if that was true, it isn't by the way, having such features in a cell phone would lead to third parties attacking the system's. In fact it is the lack of third party hacks that has me not totally believing the conclusions offered up in this report. If there where features so easily used on iPhone we would be seeing all sorts of attack software in the wild already.
There is no such thing as a secure backdoor.
I think your explanation is old, and the recent leaks by Edward Snowden and other reports on how the CIA takes our privacy as a joke is alarming, any average joe is a target, doesn't matter if you're is rich, or coming from a suspicious country. Is it too much to ask for to go online or use a technological device without it's makers and the CIA mining my data and tracing my every move? You, i and million others may have never been a target but the minute we are be sure that breaching our privacy will be a piece of cake for them, and it's only because we keep thinking it will never be me, these things only happen in the movies.
Where is proof that Apple is secretly accessing customer's data? According this expert, the potential is there via a back door. It is an enormous leap to say that it means that they are accessing customers data willy-nilly.
I am opposed to a company accessing my personal data for the sole purpose of selling me ****. (yeah, I'm talking to you Google)
I'm not opposed to a "secure, locked back door" that can be assessed under certain court-ordered conditions.
We had a local case a few years ago where a little girl was abducted, raped and murdered. The data on the couple's Blackberrys and internet providers was absolutely instrumental in bringing them to justice. I'm glad that law officials had those forensic tools.
If these tools proved your innocence, you might be glad that they are there.
While it's quite believable that Apple is putting backdoors in at the bequest of the government, it's not due to court orders; nor is it likely that such a request was on the agenda of an Obama-tech exec pow-wow. These things result from a series of laws passed by your favorite political party (whichever one that is), and regulations issued directly by the various security agencies at different times under a number of Administrations.
But, this discussion did give you an opportunity to say "Obama" and complain about "the courts"; so at least it had some value.
Nothing you said negates what the OP is discussing. It's more secure than Android? So what? That has nothing to do with the subject of the OP. IF the OP is correct in it's assertions, how is more secure than Android going to change the fact of a backdoor in iOS?
They also stabbed Apple by supporting Amazon's iBook venture, plus punishing Apple for in-app purchases even after Apple has addressed it. I agree they can't be trusted mostly because they are swayed by the lobbyists easily.
But so can a random security researcher. He can have his own agenda.
In this case, I believe the presenter is flawed. Some of the things he mentioned are exaggerated. He seems to lack operational background (what happens if the user forget the passcode ?). He also ignore other parts of iOS security. You can't understand the whole thing by just zooming into a few parts. It would give the wrong picture.
That dude seems to be interested in making himself famous that's all.
Anybody that doubts this has real problems. Put a bunch of guys around a computer and they will be passing pics and flicks around. Frankly it doesn't have to be porn either. Anything different, awe inspiring or just plain exciting gets passed around at work where porn is a no no so imagine what would happen at an organization with no controls placed on it.