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I think the iOS Gmail and Google Calendar apps have come a long away, and are arguably better than Apple's.
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Meh. 🤷‍♂️

In some ways yes as it retains much of the "Gmail" functionality that iOS Mail wont ever do as a universal on-device only client; like send later, snooze, etc

It took them WAY too long to integrate into Files to use any other storage service but Google Drive; and dark mode, split view, etc etc.

There are a LOT of frustrations still with the Gmail app. Like I have 5 mail accounts, I went to see that email I sent yesterday again but I cant remember what account I sent it from. Why in the hell is there not an "all sent" "all archive" all deleted" combined boxes like every other 3rd party and the stock mail app? Only combining inboxes, while a start, isnt close to functional for multiple accounts.

I get Google wants you to use search but cmon man. One or 2 taps turned into an unneeded search and hoping it pops up

There are just some really odd things Google does that make zero workflow sense
 
Anyone smell a lawsuit coming? And, if it's more stable than the mess he left at Apple (the Mail.app), this would beg the question: Why isn't the Apple Mail.app better?

" Why isn't the Apple Mail.app better?" because of resource and talent allocation by management. As long as the main screen grab looks good, it is good enough for Cook!
 
Gmail used to be fine on apple’s mail app until iOS 13 rolled around and now gmail on apple’s mail app continues to be an exercise in watching “checking for mail...” for the better part of the day.

insofar as google‘s gmail app and/or the web, both are prime examples that Google‘s heyday for UI was it’s original web search page consisting of a single search box where you could type in anything you want and as if by magic get back likely relevant results. Revolutionary then, but it’s been all downhill for google’s other services ever since.
 
Meh. 🤷‍♂️

In some ways yes as it retains much of the "Gmail" functionality that iOS Mail wont ever do as a universal on-device only client; like send later, snooze, etc

It took them WAY too long to integrate into Files to use any other storage service but Google Drive; and dark mode, split view, etc etc.

There are a LOT of frustrations still with the Gmail app. Like I have 5 mail accounts, I went to see that email I sent yesterday again but I cant remember what account I sent it from. Why in the hell is there not an "all sent" "all archive" all deleted" combined boxes like every other 3rd party and the stock mail app? Only combining inboxes, while a start, isnt close to functional for multiple accounts.

I get Google wants you to use search but cmon man. One or 2 taps turned into an unneeded search and hoping it pops up

There are just some really odd things Google does that make zero workflow sense

I totally agree with the lack of unified "All Sent" (and miss that after moving away from Apple Mail), and agree on Google being slow to adopt Files integration (though it was integrated by the time I moved to Gmail's app, so never had to live without this). But Gmail's app natively offering push, delay send, snooze, and accurately syncing across devices make it more competitive for my purposes at least. Ideally, this functionality could be more based on email functionality vs. platform specific API's, so it could work natively in Apple Mail, but I'm not sure if I see that happening anytime soon.
 
Hope it is better than mac mail (ios), which in 2020 still doesn’t let you delete all mail..annoying as $*&*
 
I totally agree with the lack of unified "All Sent" (and miss that after moving away from Apple Mail), and agree on Google being slow to adopt Files integration (though it was integrated by the time I moved to Gmail's app, so never had to live without this). But Gmail's app natively offering push, delay send, snooze, and accurately syncing across devices make it more competitive for my purposes at least. Ideally, this functionality could be more based on email functionality vs. platform specific API's, so it could work natively in Apple Mail, but I'm not sure if I see that happening anytime soon.

Put it this way, Im using it now but by force as Apple Mail is doing the usual issues of delayed mail and "checking for mail" despite being 15 min fetch

Try Spark. It's on macOS and iOS, and way better than the stock app or Gmail apps.

Privacy/security....that's a no go going through another company's servers for a lot of people. Huge security risks if you remember Edison not but a few months ago. Oopsey poopsey we gave others access to your email account(s) because our account sync failed/bugged out. MASSIVE implications there if someone did a forgot password- think banking, etc.
 
It could also be that he left because he felt he couldn't do a great app and saw an opportunity to do it outside of Apple.

True.

I'd be careful assuming that he was sole responsible for the state of Mail. Although he was the Engineering Manager for that, in large organizations (and even much smaller ones) there can be forces at play around you that limit your ability to ship great product.

But if he's the 'manager', doesn't he share some of the blame, and kudos? But if he left because it's a hot mess, and couldn't fix it, he's good too. I shouldn't have been so rash to assume he 'did' Apple's mail app. Apple may have 'done' it behind him.
 
What law is he breaking? Who would sue for what?

Also, Apple's Mail app is quite good when dealing with standard, rather than proprietary mail protocols.

It literally looks exactly like Apple's mail.app. Exactly.

My experience has been the mail.app doesn't handle much outside of Apple's mail, and lately, barely even that. *shrug*
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" Why isn't the Apple Mail.app better?" because of resource and talent allocation by management. As long as the main screen grab looks good, it is good enough for Cook!

That's just sad, and perhaps explains a lot. Hmm...
 
Privacy/security....that's a no go going through another company's servers for a lot of people.
But going through *Google's* server(s) is OK? Never understood this argument. Use them, or don't use them, but...?
 
Try Spark. It's on macOS and iOS, and way better than the stock app or Gmail apps.

I have. I generally like and trust Readdle, and use their other apps, but I just didn't like Spark. I generally don't like apps that try to reinvent email - I just need it to do the things gmail does but in a good native UI. To that end, I found Spark had a ton of extras I didn't care for. Also, while I trust Readdle generally, there was some concern a while ago that some aspects of the app transmitted some things to their servers, which also put me off a bit.
 
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This is crazy, maybe I subconsciously saw this somewhere else because literally this morning I was thinking to myself that I wish there were a native Gmail client since I hate having to use Chrome or keep a pinned tab in safari.

I'll check this out!
I’ve been using Spark for some time. Works quite well. Will have to see how this stacks up.
 
But going through *Google's* server(s) is OK? Never understood this argument. Use them, or don't use them, but...?

One person or 2 is better to have the info? Proof Gmail itself, not because of bad passwords/not using 2-factor or user error, has been hacked? None, just nonsense about "da big bad Guggle" Yes their advertising part is a bit shady, but their services are legit fine and secure. HUGE corporations use G-Suite the same as MS 365; Broadcom, Hamilton Beach, Korean Air, Nielson, Salesforce Truecar, Vonage, Whirpool, Colgate-Palmolive, Broadcom, etc

Further, if Google does something they are in the US. The feds are all over it; it is also front-page news. Their exposure level is EXTREMELY high.

Readdle is in Ukraine. Their exposure level is incredibly low as most havent heard of them; no one would blink an eye like Edison if some big scandal happened with them. Hell, people still download Edison to this day and its in the top 50 productivity in the app store after they exposed full mail accounts to other users!! Now imagine the national headlines is someone like Google did that.

What do you plan to do about that across the world in a country with its own laws? There are no ramifications other than their reputation; which Edison has showed average people dont seem to care about privacy/security breaches and brushed it off.
 
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