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Former Apple Engineer Introduces Native Gmail Client for Mac With Multi-Account Support, System Notifications, and More
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Ultimately, for me, there are two main deal breakers why I don’t use the native Apple mail app.
1) It doesn’t have a snoozed mail feature where the mail will come back to my inbox after a designated amount of time.
2) After finishing an email by deleting it, archiving it, or whatever, it doesn’t take me back to the full list of emails by default to then decide which one I want to look at next. Instead it opens the next subsequent email. If I don’t want to look at that email yet and go to a different email, it marks that last one as “read”. I don’t want that. I have to then select to mark it “unread” and then go to the email I want, Which may be anywhere up or down on the list of emails.
It would be much simpler to just have the native app automatically, after deleting or archiving an email, send us back to the whole list without selecting any particular email so that we can choose which one we want to go to and not have one marked as “read” if we don’t want it to be. I have tried so many different scenarios and currently it’s impossible for this to happen unless they create this feature.
1) It doesn’t have a snoozed mail feature where the mail will come back to my inbox after a designated amount of time.
2) After finishing an email by deleting it, archiving it, or whatever, it doesn’t take me back to the full list of emails by default to then decide which one I want to look at next. Instead it opens the next subsequent email. If I don’t want to look at that email yet and go to a different email, it marks that last one as “read”. I don’t want that. I have to then select to mark it “unread” and then go to the email I want, Which may be anywhere up or down on the list of emails.
It would be much simpler to just have the native app automatically, after deleting or archiving an email, send us back to the whole list without selecting any particular email so that we can choose which one we want to go to and not have one marked as “read” if we don’t want it to be. I have tried so many different scenarios and currently it’s impossible for this to happen unless they create this feature.
I'm going to have to give this a try. I monitor about 10 different GMail accounts in my Mac Mail currently and every day (sometimes multiple times a day) Mac Mail decides to change the order of them around. That plus being able to use aliases without logging into www.gmail.com could be a gamechanger.
Looks great so far. Very polished, nice layout, and feels super lightweight. I filed a issue and recieved a response within a few minutes! (An actual response with actual helpful information, not an automated response.)
I've tried a lot of other email clients but always find myself back in the native Gmail web app because of how well it surfaces and groups my e-mail. This app has the potential to go all the way and stick as my main email client.
The current beta version is pretty basic in terms of the features it provides, but it gives me what I need.
I've tried a lot of other email clients but always find myself back in the native Gmail web app because of how well it surfaces and groups my e-mail. This app has the potential to go all the way and stick as my main email client.
The current beta version is pretty basic in terms of the features it provides, but it gives me what I need.
I'll try it! For me, the bigthing wrong with mac mail is Apple making it SO difficult to change the title on an email that has come in.
I've run a public forum with 60,000+ topics since the dawn of the internet. And the only sensible way to search for old e-mail is to have the topic number in the subject. 7 flags won't do, 60000 different mailboxes won't do. I have to put the topic number in the subject line, and going through the deal of converting to text, modifying, converting back to e-mail a hundred times a day got old a dozen years ago
I've run a public forum with 60,000+ topics since the dawn of the internet. And the only sensible way to search for old e-mail is to have the topic number in the subject. 7 flags won't do, 60000 different mailboxes won't do. I have to put the topic number in the subject line, and going through the deal of converting to text, modifying, converting back to e-mail a hundred times a day got old a dozen years ago
I’m confused. The guy behind one of the industries least capable email clients made a email client that looks nearly identical, but exclusively for gmail?
Two questions. Why? And who the hell still uses gmail? Can’t be the “privacy“ obsessed Apple fans... right?
Two questions. Why? And who the hell still uses gmail? Can’t be the “privacy“ obsessed Apple fans... right?
Tried the app today. Feels refreshingly lightwight. Emails come in instantly as if were Push. Doesn‘t junk up dozens of gigs of drive space like Mail.app.
Honestly, whoever is in charge of Mail.app on Mac and iOS should be fired already. Those apps are complete garbage with no innovation in years. Would it kill them to at least try to make Mail a good app with modern features instead of the stale piece of **** it has been for years? Like, how about push for gmail? Dump a billion dolllars on google and make it happen. Search in Mail is inaccurate to the point of a fraudulently bad feature. How about adding the share sheet in Mail on iOS for emails or Shortcuts integration with Mail? Every WWDC passes with a sigh of nope, no improvements to Mail.
Honestly, whoever is in charge of Mail.app on Mac and iOS should be fired already. Those apps are complete garbage with no innovation in years. Would it kill them to at least try to make Mail a good app with modern features instead of the stale piece of **** it has been for years? Like, how about push for gmail? Dump a billion dolllars on google and make it happen. Search in Mail is inaccurate to the point of a fraudulently bad feature. How about adding the share sheet in Mail on iOS for emails or Shortcuts integration with Mail? Every WWDC passes with a sigh of nope, no improvements to Mail.
I don't know, guess it's just not hot anymore. XMPP was the most popular(?) federation standard after email, and that also died off long ago. If it hadn't, maybe it could have replaced email.
Though, XMPP is also a needlessly convoluted standard, and I don't think it even has an excuse. I learned it through and through, and it's just painful. Starting with all the XML. And it got further than every other chat standard, which is pretty discouraging to anyone trying to make a new chat standard (like myself).
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True. That's what I ended up with.... If you don't want it to be secure, it's really simple!
There has to be a reason. It usually comes down to money, doesn't it? Or laziness. Or fear of Goliath smashing David into the ground. I just checked out Thunderbird again. It's been a while. Maybe it's what we seek? People could join their developer group and help make it the mail client we all want. Just an idea...
Yeah information like that may or may not be a trade secret. Since most people already know I’m a great integer unit engineer, probably not a secret
(I worked on two floating point units, one integer unit,one cache unit, and two scheduling units, that I can think of right now. I think I’m good at cache and scheduling. Integer was not my favorite - everyone always want the multiplier to be faster. )
No, Swift has been around for several years. It's because the developer chose to use the APIs available in Catalina.
I'm confused. You say your rMBP is still fast can run anything thrown at it. So put Catalina on it and run this app. What's the actual problem here?
The email client in question uses API's that are only available in Catalina. So kinda yeah, there is something in an email client that would require it to run on Catalina.
There is absolutely no technical or architectural reason why those SWIFT API's cannot be made available (installed) for any previous version of MacOS or to allow any 64bit Intel Mac to run the latest version of MacOS. It is Apple that chose to actively and deliberately obsolete older hardware that is otherwise perfectly fine to use to try and force people to spend money on upgrades. There just isn't any fundamental difference between an i7 from 2009 or one from 2020. So, no, other than an arbitrary reasons made up by Apples to increase revenue there is no reason.
It is using SwiftUI - which is iOS 13+ and macOS 10.15+ only. Complete change to how the UI of apps is built from UIKit/AppKit that dates back who knows how long.
SwiftUI is really nice, even the super buggy, badly documented version 1.0 that is out so far. The iOS14/macOS11 update is looking like it fixes a load of problems, so expect more apps to start needing it over the next year.
I agree most with the multiple account part of the comment by casperes1996. I have gmail(work account), iCloud accounts, corp accounts(business) and some are powered through an AWS account for outgoing mail that I really love. I'm not giving up any and not using a dedicated Gmail client plus one for all the rest. That's too cumbersome.
As good as this client may be FOR ONE ISP, it's a no-go for me. I am open to trying a better app than Mail. It also needs extensions suitable for client side junk filtering which accounts for at least 50% of the raw server incoming mail these days.
Any suggestions?