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A giant ping-pong table-like touch display..:D We look forward today and that IS the future. but for portable-ness and keyboard it was kinda amazing when u look back.

The touchscreen alone is nothing without a keyboard... the one TED was showing is NOT designed to "fit in your pocket"
 
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[QUOTE="Tech198, post: 24738110, member: 555085"] A giant ping-pong table-like touch display..:D We look forward today and that IS the future. but for portable-ness and keyboard it was kinda amazing when u look back.
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You mean like the Microsoft Surface Studio. That you can buy today?
 
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They basically copied all previous work of multi-touch, here's a TedX talk showcasing multi-touch year PRIOR to the iPhone launch and the guy even says out loud ITS NOT NEW;


And for some reason, Apple seems to get all the credit?

Thank you! I knew about Jeff Han back then and especially the Fingerworks keyboard that was multi-touch which was bought by Apple. I remember it well. Multi-touch has been around BEFORE Apple released the product.
 
Regarding multitouch:

Apple gets ALL the credit, erroneously. They didn't INVENT the tech.

However, this is the same as Xerox PARC.

Steve (and his team) saw the possibilities and redefined the phone UI with what he'd seen.

To me, this is equivalent to music.

You don't create the notes on a keyboard, but it's HOW you put them together that bears great (or crappy) musical fruit.

You don't need to credit the inventor of the piano all the time.
 
In a word.. NO!
Forstall didn't push his luck with Jobs. He thought he could stage a coup vs Cook and he was wrong. In other words, he acceded to Jobs total control willfully because he knew Jobs could not be challenged. He didn't want to live under Cook so he was unmanageable and viewed that he was irreplaceable.
There are always talented people who push the limits of management's tolerance. The Harvard Business Review once published an article about the "temperamental talent." Which such people it's about risk vs reward. At the point that they create too much dysfunction for what they offer, a strong manager has to have courage to cut their losses, which is what Cook did.
Apple hasn't suffered since Forstall left. He botched Maps. He refused to make simple changes to iOS that were useful and readily available in Android.

You're forgetting Jony Ive here. Think about it. Jobs was able to keep him under control, including Forstall. And get his envisioned products out. However, when Cook became CEO, he got rid of Forstall due to corporate politics but he let Jony 'run wild' with his work. Why is that Cook doesn't want to confront Forstall and defer to Jony which led to some problematic design issues such as the infamous camera bump, etc. He should have not have promoted Jony to Chief Design Officer and let him stay within his Industrial Design department and let someone else focus on the UI/software design. That's like putting an industrial designer in charge of all kinds of design related projects for the entire company. This is either too much responsibility for him to handle as overload OR Jony Ive is simply 'too bored' in his department and as a means to appease to his post-Jobs depression for he had no one to keep him in check, let alone himself.

To me, it sounds like Cook didn't want to make the design decisions or say no to him because he lacks THREE things that Steve had. One was his creative background. The second, Buddhism. And the third? Balls of steel.

Ever wonder WHY Apple products had the simple design philosophy? It all came down to Steve's zen for simplicity.

Want proof?

Read this: http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-zen-meditation-buddhism-2015-1

I'm not a fan of Forstall, but I know he will never, ever, EVER return to Apple as long as Cook and his cronies are still there, as I'm aware some Forstall fans clamor for. But I'm not a fan of Cook, either. I still don't think he's the right guy.
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The thing Forestall talks about the 'hit region'....

I've had iP4 then iP5 .... when i was in the process of gathering money for iP6, I swiched to LG G3 primarily for dual-sim reason, and I couldn't figure out why I could type faster on the tiny iP5 screen then on 5.5` Lg G3 screen... ????

This is why Apple is the best there is.

Because Apple's the best there is? Is that the best explanation? How about explaining in technical terms WHY the keyboard was easier to type in rather than putting Apple on a pedestal?

Was it the design of the keys? The size of the keys? Or the placement of the keyboard? Were the measurements off or such? And another thing, iP5 was a long, long time ago. Android keyboards have evolved now so they should be as good as the iOS stock keyboard these days. If the phone is 5.5 with such width, you should not have any trouble typing on either platform.

I'm sure Forstall played a role in the keyboard design and did a good job of it because he kept it simple and focused. Even though I have an SE, I still believe a larger phone makes the keyboard ( I've had an iP6 + prior so I've experienced that ) a bit easier to type in due to screen width. Especially if you have gamer thumbs, you need precision.
 
"Pinch to zoom" always sounds like a misleading name to me. If you just say "zoom" to me I think specifically "zoom in", where as pinching is to zoom out. Anyone else think that?

I think some past versions might have done the opposite zoom like you think it sounds.

It's a pretty old phrase, and is just a shortcut for referring to a gesture set that has been known for decades.

Pinch zoom on computers dates from at least 1983.

It was later featured in both a 1993 concept film (scene cut) and a very popular 1996 book from a Sun Microsystems UI developer:

1996_pinch_zoom.png


It was also demoed internally to Apple by at least one touch developer by 2003. Although of course even the public had seen a variation of it in Minority Report in 2002.

In short, Apple didn't invent pinch zoom in 2005. Or any time before then.

I think the first publicly announced multi-touch phone that planned to feature pinch zoom was the Open Linux Moko developer's model. Its announcement came in Nov 2006, two months before the iPhone was revealed by Steve Jobs in 2007:

open_moko.png

Here are the PR drawings of its planned pinch zoom from back then:

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It's smart in terms of acting in his own self-interest, however in terms of the self-interest of Apple and its customers, it's terrible.
You could pretty much put anybody in charge of Apple and the company could basically run itself due to inertia. I think the best solution might have been to have the CEO position rotate among the Senior VP's.

Personally I believe Steve Jobs chose Cook to be his successor because Steve knew Tim would make him look even better in retrospect, everybody would say that it's just not the same without Steve.

That's the silliest thing I've ever heard.

Jobs appointed Cook because he was absolutely the best qualified in moving Apple, a company Jobs greatly cared about and more importantly financially invested in, successfully forward. That was one of Jobs' best decisions.
 
They basically copied all previous work of multi-touch, here's a TedX talk showcasing multi-touch year PRIOR to the iPhone launch and the guy even says out loud ITS NOT NEW;


And for some reason, Apple seems to get all the credit?

They where brave enough to put it in a small device with a UI that really worked.

I've also seen that demo before the iPhone came out. It looked inspired on Minority Report (2002) at that time. Spielbergs team that adviced him for the futuristic UI has done a great job. This movie is so packed with visions and ideas about future tec, its impressive!

More about this:
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a30140/minority-report-tech-is-real-now/
 
They basically copied all previous work of multi-touch, here's a TedX talk showcasing multi-touch year PRIOR to the iPhone launch and the guy even says out loud ITS NOT NEW;


And for some reason, Apple seems to get all the credit?
You are not getting it mate, it's not who did it first, that's irrelevant, it's about who can market it best and pretend they did it first. And make all the lovely consumers believe the BS.
 
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They basically copied all previous work of multi-touch, here's a TedX talk showcasing multi-touch year PRIOR to the iPhone launch and the guy even says out loud ITS NOT NEW;


And for some reason, Apple seems to get all the credit?
That's because multi-touch technology had been around in some form since the 1980's. What Apple did was design and build OS and hardware for multi-touch that finally wasn't so cumbersome to use.
 
Way too much guru worship and identity politics. When a person becomes more disruptive to company's function and performance than the value they bring, then it is a huge positive to get rid of them.

The rest is wistful longing for a return to a mythical time. Jobs also made a ton of mistakes. I give credit to brilliant engineers that various people at Apple were astute enough to hire.

Apple's growth as a result of iPhone is astounding. That's the real story, made possible by a team, not a single person.
 
The iOS keyboard itself is great, but in regards to AI Google is mapping the floor with every other company.
You can see this in every aspect of data analysis. Keyboard prediction, personal assistant, search engine etc.
I don't know where googles photos is now, but when apple released their keywords for photos (1 yr ago, two years ago?) they were way ahead of google. That is all deep learning (aka new AI) and Apple crushed everyone. Google continues to have some amazing stuff in the pipeline for this - entire photo scene descriptions but Apple was ahead when they introduced it.

You know what I wish someone would do with photo ID - use the info of the date to create an identify that changes over time. Very annoying that computers know person A's baby photos are them, but think their photos from 2-12 are a different person and their photos from 12+ are a different person. Use the age photo date info and magic could happen that deep learning will never get right because it cannot handle change.
 
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Did anyone else catch that strange looking iPhone at the end with the iTunes app and iChat app? Looks like it has a square earpiece and circular iChat camera underneath--or vice versa. I've never encountered this is crappy photoshopped iPhone images before; could this have been a concept from Apple?
 

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This confirmed how much SJ involved in products design and how much Apple needed him.
 
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When a person becomes more disruptive to company's function and performance than the value they bring, then it is a huge positive to get rid of them.

That's the real story, made possible by a team, not a single person.



This shouldn't be a lesson in corporate efficiency, Apple needs the brightest engineers to push innovation. Scott was an asset to Apple, if he wasn't a team player build him his own wizard's tower and let him experiment to his heart's content- as CEO it's your job to reign him in when he steps over the line- don't just fire him. It's not a personality contest, it's harnessing the best scientists to come up with the best ideas.
 
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I guess this explains why third party keyboards are so bad and inaccurate. I wonder if they can replicate this behavior.

SwiftKey does, more or less. I wouldn't be surprised if at least some others do, too. You wouldn't really know and I didn't even know Apple's did this (assuming it still does) because, as they state, the keys themselves stay the same size.

For SwiftKey, you can look at the "Your Tap Map" screen in the app to see how it's silently adjusted the position of your keys for traditional/"tapped" typing. Unlike Apple's, this seems to be a permanent and ever-adjusting feature, not one that tries to predict which word you're going to type next (maybe that's why I feel less accurate with Apple's now? If it thinks I want "the" but I really want "type," the area for "h" better not intrude too much on "y" or I'll mis-type). That's why I said "more or less" above, but I find it works really well--better, I think--for me, and that's even without my preferred method of swiping to type.
 
People still don't understand. Making Forstall take responsibility was Tim Cook's political maneuvre to kill Forstall. If he didn't take responsbility, Tim Cook had an upper hand. If he did take responsibility, it weakens Forstalls position as a person who is unable to deliver, again weakening Forstall.

Pretty smart way to do things.
It was symptomatic. As you may recall Apple put out a written apology in many newspapers and online. The same mentality that led Forstall not to sign it may well have guided his other actions and relationship with other executives.
 
This shouldn't be a lesson in corporate efficiency, Apple needs the brightest engineers to push innovation. Scott was an asset to Apple, if he wasn't a team player build him his own wizard's tower and let him experiment to his heart's content- as CEO it's your job to reign him in when he steps over the line- don't just fire him. It's not a personality contest, it's harnessing the best scientists to come up with the best ideas.

True, but all things considered, Forestall was sacked, meaning that his negatives far, far, far outweighed his positives. It was expensive to fire him, yet they did, which speaks volumes.

Funny how many people discover that they aren't irreplaceable.
 
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Thank you! I knew about Jeff Han back then and especially the Fingerworks keyboard that was multi-touch which was bought by Apple. I remember it well. Multi-touch has been around BEFORE Apple released the product.

I don't believe they were alone either. Microsoft had a demo (IIRC around 2003) where they were demonstrating a projected tabletop surface that accepted not just multi-touch interface, but able to understand items on that table and incorporate them into the interface.

it was called "Microsoft Surface", but they repurposed the name when they launched the computer lineup (which makes googling it a little harder)


edit: they renamed the project "PixelSense"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense
 
I love this video. Send it to Samsung.
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You first need to pinch before separating your fingers to zoom.
Yeah, but you don't pinch Tom do you?

Heh, can't believe nobody mocked my typo before I noticed it myself :p
 
It's amazing all the revisionist history we get now that Jobs is dead. When he was alive he was PT Barnum, just a good salesman who knew how to command a stage. Now he's a technological genius.

I honestly can't tell if you're agreeing or differing with me on something in my post. I was commending Jobs for what he is remembered as today, not what he was in the past. Even though he wore many hats, he also was a superb salesman.
 
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