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I guess this explains why third party keyboards are so bad and inaccurate. I wonder if they can replicate this behavior.

Other keyboards already used different methods that accomplish exactly the same thing, e.g. by determining the nearest key that predictive text calculations say was most likely.

Judging from the dozens of prior art cites in the Apple patent, they were probably just trying to find a way around paying royalties for any of the previous patents, as their method didn't really do anything better. Just differently.

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The question I've always wanted answered is this: why did it take so long for Apple to make a soft keyboard where the upper/lowercase changed with the Shift key ?????!!!!

For too many years, all they had was a keyboard stuck in UPPERCASE. Woof. Ancient.
 
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well you can say steve jobs annoy lots of people who work for him. beside there is a reason why steve jobs loved Forstall and even wanted him to be the next CEO. best leaders/ppl are not always easy to work with, if you want to work with easy ppl, you should not be in business.

beside i really think map was just a reason to fire scott. its very common in business practices that you want to find ways to get rid of your "enemies"

There is no evidence that Jobs wanted Forstall to be anything but what he was, or that he "loved him". It was Jobs that chose Cook to be CEO.
 
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The firing of Scott Forstall really reveals the cluelessness of Tim Cook. Unlike Cook, Forstall had vision. Cook is a typical suit. He's an MBA who does an excellent job at pleasing shareholders, but a major letdown for customers who care about cutting edge innovation.

Tim's an Industrial Engineer with an MBA. Get it straight.
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There is no evidence that Jobs wanted Forstall to be anything but what he was, or that he "loved him". It was Jobs that chose Cook to be CEO.

Steve was close to Scott and Tim. Tim was always his heir apparent. Without Steve to balance the egos and remind everyone whose company it has always been, people will get into ego wars. Tim made an executive decision that mitigated a divided executive team, and Scott was out. It's that simple. Scott's always had a massive ego and with each success the ego grew even more. It happens to very talented people and Tim chose the cohesion of his team over the ego of one.
 
Other keyboards already used different methods that accomplish exactly the same thing, e.g. by determining the nearest key that predictive text calculations say was most likely.

Judging from the dozens of prior art cites in the Apple patent, they were probably just trying to find a way around paying royalties for any of the previous patents, as their method didn't really do anything better. Just differently.

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The question I've always wanted answered is this: why did it take so long for Apple to make a soft keyboard where the upper/lowercase changed with the Shift key ?????!!!!

For too many years, all they had was a keyboard stuck in UPPERCASE. Woof. Ancient.

iOS keyboard was crazy accurate for its time. I remember using Android phones that didn't have a multi touch keyboard! By today's standards, that's unthinkable.

I also remember reading an article that stated that the hit target on the iOS keyboard changes according to your phone's orientation. For example it's really hard to hit a key accurately with the phone upside down.
 
It was symptomatic. As you may recall Apple put out a written apology in many newspapers and online. The same mentality that led Forstall not to sign it may well have guided his other actions and relationship with other executives.

I don't understand why Cook insisted on a public apology for Maps, but not for iOS 7. I really would like an apology for iOS 7.
 
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I don't understand why Cook insisted on a public apology for Maps, but not for iOS 7. I really would like an apology for iOS 7.
Because nothing was "wrong" with iOS 7. The abrupt change caught people off guard, but Maps didn't do what it was advertised to do.
 
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If you guys watched the interview with Scott Forstall recently, absolutely brilliant guy. I loved the old 'skeumorphic' design way more than the current flat design that Ive did. Forstall cared about the actual usability of the device. Just like Jobs he wasn't the best person to get along with, but he had great ideas. Ive and Cook only care about profits. Why else would they release an Apple book for $300? why else would they not include the dongles in the latest Macbook when its absolutely necessary to interface with most devices? Why would they make the lightning connector for iOS devices and USB-C for macOS devices? Why not include the extension cord with the Macbook anymore? Why raise prices on all the new devices more than before? Why sell 5 different versions of the same device at the same time? Apple has lost its way, and are pretty much just cruising on its reputation at this point. We already know what they are going to release 6 months before its released. When Jobs was alive, leaks were absolutely airtight. Cook doesn't care. Microsoft has been way more innovative than Apple these last few years. Jobs dying and Forstall getting fired was just the beginning of the slide down.
 
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More Scott Forstall videos! Keep 'em coming! Amazing!
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That's all fine and dandy, but where is the new Mac Mini?....
You lost me there, that not what Steve said back in the days. Who hired Jony Ive BTW?
 
I don't believe they were alone either. Microsoft had a demo (IIRC around 2003) where they were demonstrating a projected tabletop surface that accepted not just multi-touch interface, but able to understand items on that table and incorporate them into the interface.

it was called "Microsoft Surface", but they repurposed the name when they launched the computer lineup (which makes googling it a little harder)


edit: they renamed the project "PixelSense"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense

2003? Sounds about right. I remember hearing about it a little after that, maybe 2005-2006, regarding the Surface table technology. Then it started to creep up a little more to the surface a couple more years after that when iPad was released. And then, it spawned Surface Pro as part of their 'tree' of touch-based product plans which is what I think happened.
 
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Cook rushed out Maps? You think this all just happened after Steve died? That's ridiculous! The decision to ditch Google no doubt was approved by Jobs. Also why is everyone assuming Forstall was fired because of Maps? Tim Cook never said that. All signs point to him being fired because he was difficult to work with and didn't get along with the rest of the executive team. Even Tony Fadell when asked about his firing in a BBC interview said Forstall "got what he deserved". So clearly there wasn't a lot of love for him in the upper ranks of Apple. Ben Thompson who writes the blog Stratchery, was an intern at Apple. Interns at Apple get to meet the executive team. He said the person that impressed him the most was Tim Cook. And the least was Scott Forstall because Forstall acted like the smartest man in the room and made sure everyone there knew he was the smartest man in the room. I'll take Craig Federighi any day over Forstall. I doubt we'd have iOS 11 for iPad if Forstall was still running iOS.

Cook DID rush Maps out and as I said before the buck stops with Cook. Regardless of who initially approved it (Jobs or Cook) doesn't matter. Tim Cook was the CEO when Apple Maps was announced and came out. Maps was an alpha-release in every way and the fact that he approved it to be released as a GM in an alpha-state speaks to his gross incompetence because he rushed it out or surrounded himself with yes-men who when asked said it was gtg. Google took YEARS to build up it's Maps service. The fact that Cook thought it was ready in a few short months is laughable.

Also, I never claimed that Forstall was fired solely because of Apple Maps. To the contrary I said he had a bulls-eye on him ever since Jobs died and Apple Maps was a convenient way for Cook to pass the buck for Cook's incompetence and when Forstall rightly refused to sign the weak apology he gave Cook all the excuses he needed to ****-can him.
 
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Because nothing was "wrong" with iOS 7. The abrupt change caught people off guard, but Maps didn't do what it was advertised to do.

Then Cook should have fired the marketing team for false advertising.

iOS 7 completely discarded 30 years of accumulated knowledge with respect to Human Interface Design in exchange for gradients. Remember https://jonyiveredesignsthings.tumblr.com/ ?

I still would like an apology.
 
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You're forgetting Jony Ive here. Think about it. Jobs was able to keep him under control, including Forstall. And get his envisioned products out. However, when Cook became CEO, he got rid of Forstall due to corporate politics but he let Jony 'run wild' with his work. Why is that Cook doesn't want to confront Forstall and defer to Jony which led to some problematic design issues such as the infamous camera bump, etc. He should have not have promoted Jony to Chief Design Officer and let him stay within his Industrial Design department and let someone else focus on the UI/software design. That's like putting an industrial designer in charge of all kinds of design related projects for the entire company. This is either too much responsibility for him to handle as overload OR Jony Ive is simply 'too bored' in his department and as a means to appease to his post-Jobs depression for he had no one to keep him in check, let alone himself.

To me, it sounds like Cook didn't want to make the design decisions or say no to him because he lacks THREE things that Steve had. One was his creative background. The second, Buddhism. And the third? Balls of steel.

Ever wonder WHY Apple products had the simple design philosophy? It all came down to Steve's zen for simplicity.

That's all nice but you overlook one huge item.
Ive is the master of simple design and he has an undying love for simplicity. Read this excerpt from Jobs himself.
"He understands what we do at our core better than anyone," Jobs told Isaacson. "If I had a spiritual partner at Apple, it's Jony."

Oh yeah, Jobs wanted Ive to be untouchable at Apple and he left with Ive having more power than anyone at Apple save Tim Cook.
"Showing his trust in Ive, the company co-founder left him more freedom than anyone else in the company —a perk that remains even after Jobs's death."

"He told Isaacson that Ive had 'more operational power' at Apple than anyone else besides Jobs himself —that there's no one at the company who can tell Ive what to do," the report said. "That, says Jobs, is 'the way I set it up.'"
(From Issacson's book).

Further Ive is known as the consummate team player. (Not so with Forstall)
 
Cook DID rush Maps out and as I said before the buck stops with Cook. Regardless of who initially approved it (Jobs or Cook) doesn't matter. Tim Cook was the CEO when Apple Maps was announced and came out. Maps was an alpha-release in every way and the fact that he approved it to be released as a GM in an alpha-state speaks to his gross incompetence because he rushed it out or surrounded himself with yes-men who when asked said it was gtg. Google took YEARS to build up it's Maps service. The fact that Cook thought it was ready in a few short months is laughable.

Also, I never claimed that Forstall was fired solely because of Apple Maps. To the contrary I said he had a bulls-eye on him ever since Jobs died and Apple Maps was a convenient way for Cook to pass the buck for Cook's incompetence and when Forstall rightly refused to sign the weak apology he gave Cook all the excuses he needed to ****-can him.

Thank you! This is what a lot of people don't get. Everything stops at the CEO's feet and it's his job to greenlight or not. If the project doesn't look like it'll make the scheduled release, it's the CEO's job to either call it off or kill it. Not just Forstall's call alone.
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That's all nice but you overlook one huge item.
Ive is the master of simple design and he has an undying love for simplicity. Read this excerpt from Jobs himself.
"He understands what we do at our core better than anyone," Jobs told Isaacson. "If I had a spiritual partner at Apple, it's Jony."

Oh yeah, Jobs wanted Ive to be untouchable at Apple and he left with Ive having more power than anyone at Apple save Tim Cook.
"Showing his trust in Ive, the company co-founder left him more freedom than anyone else in the company —a perk that remains even after Jobs's death."

"He told Isaacson that Ive had 'more operational power' at Apple than anyone else besides Jobs himself —that there's no one at the company who can tell Ive what to do," the report said. "That, says Jobs, is 'the way I set it up.'"
(From Issacson's book).

Further Ive is known as the consummate team player. (Not so with Forstall)

That's well documented, of course. I'm quite aware of Ive's proclivity for simple design. But Steve had that philosophy for years way before he brought Ive into the picture. However, when Ive and Jobs worked together, there was a sense of balance. Jobs was able to keep Jony in check by narrowing down to the actual design(s) he liked. After all, Jobs had a creative background so he understood that process, especially coming from Pixar.

When Steve left, Jony had no one to provide him insights or feedback in what's needed. If Jobs was alive and saw there was a camera bump, he'd demand it to 'disappear' into the design. Why didn't Cook restrain his creative output? Let me put it this way. If Cook had a creative background, he would have been able to provide feedback with high standards and know what to look for.

This tells me that he's afraid to confront Jony in fear of him walking out and in the same time, he was afraid of confronting Forstall, so he wanted to get rid of him rather than deal with the fact the guy has a different personality trait that needs to be put in check. You don't just fire someone just because they're extrovertedly outspoken or, vice versa, an introvert. Cook is definitely an introvert (nothing wrong with that because I'm one myself).

As far as having more operational power without being questioned, THIS is exactly the problem. He needs to be brought down back to Earth.

That would be like having a big name comic book artist be 'untouchable' at, say, Marvel Comics, and do whatever he wants without the editors getting in his way. This is why they have editors for in the first place. To keep things in line and within the creative parameters or 'corporate language'.

Recently, two directors got fired from the Star Wars Han Solo film because they went against the grain, supposedly turning it into a comedy film ( I'm not joking. It's all over the news ) ticking off Kathleen Kennedy due to 'creative differences'. Do you know what happened after they got fired? The production crew applauded when Ron Howard got the call to step in.

The smartest thing Jony should've done was leave Apple some time after Steve passed on so that he can do his work independently with new clientele and projects. He can't stay in Apple forever because he will burn out eventually. I know about creative burnout and I do illustration/design work. If I were Jony, I would've said " My spiritual creative partner is gone, what more can I prove at Apple? I've done all I can for them. Time for me to do different things and new challenges to face head on with independent projects ".

I can certainly say he got lazy because Cook didn't challenge him enough to push the envelope. For example, iMac Pro was teased and it had the exact same design as the regular iMacs. WTF? So it has a darker space gray tone to it. That's it? It needs a major redesign if it wants to exude the 'pro' moniker and handle high end graphic cards and processing capabilities. It needs to have some kind of grilled vents on the back or sides to show that it's a serious machine. Remember the G5 tower with 'cheese grater' grills? Put some of that element to the iMac Pro. Why didn't they? The iMac Pro could've had some modular slide outs for the RAM and graphic card ports for easy swapping.

I could go on and on. But it's one thing I have to question Cook's ability to let Jony 'do his thing'.
 
......But Steve had that philosophy for years way before he brought Ive into the picture. However, when Ive and Jobs worked together, there was a sense of balance. .......After all, Jobs had a creative background so he understood that process, especially coming from Pixar.

...... If Cook had a creative background, he would have been able to provide feedback with high standards and know what to look for.

....This tells me that he's afraid to confront Jony in fear of him walking out and in the same time, he was afraid of confronting Forstall, so he wanted to get rid of him rather than deal with the fact the guy has a different personality trait that needs to be put in check. You don't just fire someone just because they're extrovertedly outspoken or, vice versa, an introvert. Cook is definitely an introvert (nothing wrong with that because I'm one myself).

.....As far as having more operational power without being questioned, THIS is exactly the problem. He needs to be brought down back to Earth.


......The smartest thing Jony should've done was leave Apple some time after Steve passed on so that he can do his work independently with new clientele and projects. He can't stay in Apple forever because he will burn out eventually. I know about creative burnout and I do illustration/design work. If I were Jony, I would've said " My spiritual creative partner is gone, what more can I prove at Apple? I've done all I can for them. Time for me to do different things and new challenges to face head on with independent projects ".

I can certainly say he got lazy because Cook didn't challenge him enough to push the envelope. For example, iMac Pro was teased and it had the exact same design as the regular iMacs.

I could go on and on. But it's one thing I have to question Cook's ability to let Jony 'do his thing'.

There's more than a just a little conjecture in your narrative.
Who said that Jobs had a creative background? Because he took a class in graphics? Jobs was not an engineer, code etc nor was he technically proficient.
I'm not sure what you don't understand. Forstall was not well liked nor did he play well with others. He was disruptive. Forstall was not bigger than Apple. Ive was the principal heir to Jobs' philosophies. He is plainly not Steve Jobs. Ive is introverted and not a born marketer. To suggest that Jony should have left Apple is beyond foolish and ignorant.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'll leave it at that.
 
There are posters in here that are angry that Steve Jobs died and they're taking their frustration out on Tim Cook. Really?

Tim isn't Steve. Steve selected Tim, and he did so for a reason. If he thought Scott could run Apple he would have selected him. He didn't.

I watched the CHM talk with Mr. Forstall and it was illuminating. Maybe Forstall will create a new startup that would be gobbled up by Apple and eventually become the CEO. Until then, it seems to me that wishing qualities in the last guy to the new guy is an unfortunate waste of energy and time.
 
There's more than a just a little conjecture in your narrative.
Who said that Jobs had a creative background? Because he took a class in graphics? Jobs was not an engineer, code etc nor was he technically proficient.
I'm not sure what you don't understand. Forstall was not well liked nor did he play well with others. He was disruptive. Forstall was not bigger than Apple. Ive was the principal heir to Jobs' philosophies. He is plainly not Steve Jobs. Ive is introverted and not a born marketer. To suggest that Jony should have left Apple is beyond foolish and ignorant.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'll leave it at that.

Jobs took a class in calligraphy, even though he's had a creative side to himself. If I understood right, it was this class that inspired him to put fonts in the Mac as part of a beautiful way to differentiate text style, and many other things.

As for Forstall, even if he wasn't well liked nor played well with others, Steve, at least, was able to keep him in line. Why couldn't Cook?

Ive being introverted is blatantly obvious and one reason why he's never on the keynote stage, preferring to stay behind the scenes. Quite understandable. But to promote him to CDO, not answering to anyone but Cook as 'untouchable' is not a good idea. Nothing lasts forever. And soon Ive's 'design language' for Apple will eventually fade out and something else will evolve. Just because he's Steve's 'design philosophy heir' doesn't mean he's gonna be in Apple forever.

He needs to pass the torch to someone else and move on. Get the hell away from Cook and the others. He needs a new environment to work in. Just so you understand, introverts don't usually like to work in team oriented environments but they're there because their job requires it. They don't like to be chained down like a caged bird, or even questioned. They're oftenly very curious about things, intriqued to explore more. It's that intrinsic curiosity that will probably make Jony want to get out of the Apple environment for fresh challenges.

Jony leaving Apple as foolish? Are you kidding? Do you know he came close to leaving it in order to move back to the UK? What do you think will happen to Jony when he sees his original VPs ( Cue, Williams, Craig, The Shill, etc ) all move on from Apple? He's gonna want to follow suit as well. I'd give him between 3 to 5 years before he leaves, maybe sooner.

CDO positions might get evolved or phased out due to redundancy. Don't believe me?

Look at this design-related article from 2016: https://www.fastcodesign.com/3063318/5-design-jobs-that-wont-exist-in-the-future

Jony's position is mentioned in there. The longer he stays there, the more stale his work becomes.

And I'm gonna leave it at that.
 
Right, right... one of the shrewdest businessmen of this century “misjudged” drastically the nature of a man that had worked for the company for 11 years at the time- & somehow accidentally bestowed upon him, control of the most valuable company in the world.
Please, Mr. Armchair CEO- do tell us more about what “we” need, lol.
Good point, it's lovely to play Mr. Armchair CEO and I have no clue who these people really are. On the other hand it's easier to see some things from the outside. Thanks fir the frank reply.
 
Good point, it's lovely to play Mr. Armchair CEO and I have no clue who these people really are. On the other hand it's easier to see some things from the outside. Thanks fir the frank reply.

You're welcome!
It's easy to complain about Tim, because he isn't the consumate showman that Steve was... but one thing NOBODY disputes is Steve's deep love for & commitment to Apple, as a company. As such, we can be certain that he VERY carefully groomed Tim for the CEO position. With regards to Scott... while Steve may have been accused of some snobbery & insistence that his way was the right way, and being a bit caustic and confrontational, like Scott- for every one story like that, about Steve.... there's five examples of where he came around, changed his mind, pulled a 180, & championed something that he had previously railed against.
As big as his ego was; he DEFINITELY put the well-being of Apple ahead of it. Further, he commanded some of the fiercest dedication and loyalty imaginable from "the troops". They would have followed him to hell itself!
Whereas, we have literally not heard a single anecdote of Scott's willingness to change his mind or respect the opinions of others... we've only heard the exact opposite. He seems like a remorseless "crybaby". I can't imagine that the man that refused to sign an apology letter, along with his colleagues (acting as if he was irreproachable, and above all them), and chased away the mild mannered Bob Mansfield (who was well-loved & respected at Apple), into an early retirement, would be able to command loyalty or respect from anyone but sycophants.
 
It's easy to complain about Tim, because he isn't the consumate showman that Steve was... but one thing NOBODY disputes is Steve's deep love for & commitment to Apple, as a company. As such, we can be certain that he VERY carefully groomed Tim for the CEO position.

Or, Jobs purposely chose someone he knew was totally different from himself, in order that his own legacy would look that much better in retrospect :D

Heck, Jobs even told Cook not to do what he thought Jobs would do. That's not grooming someone. That's casting them adrift!

With regards to Scott... while Steve may have been accused of some snobbery & insistence that his way was the right way, and being a bit caustic and confrontational, like Scott- for every one story like that, about Steve.... there's five examples of where he came around, changed his mind, pulled a 180, & championed something that he had previously railed against.

Yeah, Jobs was infamous for saying something was c**p, and waiting to see how hard its proponent would fight for it. The stronger the fight, the more Jobs would became convinced it was a good idea.

You can tell from the stories coming out now, that many of his lieutenants knew that if they just kept chipping softly away at their desired feature, eventually Jobs would cave. E.g. constantly emailing him about allowing third party apps, and smaller tablets.
 
Or, Jobs purposely chose someone he knew was totally different from himself, in order that his own legacy would look that much better in retrospect :D

Heck, Jobs even told Cook not to do what he thought Jobs would do. That's not grooming someone. That's casting them adrift!



Yeah, Jobs was infamous for saying something was c**p, and waiting to see how hard its proponent would fight for it. The stronger the fight, the more Jobs would became convinced it was a good idea.

You can tell from the stories coming out now, that many of his lieutenants knew that if they just kept chipping softly away at their desired feature, eventually Jobs would cave. E.g. constantly emailing him about allowing third party apps, and smaller tablets.

I agree with the 2nd part of what you said, but I truly hope that 1st part was in jest.
A man doesn't work nearly right up to his death, when he really truly doesn't need to... for the company that he built into a powerhouse- w/ the literal plans to have it fail miserably after his death.
The type of person you describe is a next level sociopath... that's REALLY beyond the pale!
For a person so fiercely competitive against Microsoft & Google/Android... to suggest that he wouldn't mind at all, them swallowing up & destroying all that he struggled to build- w/ the only "upside" being; hey everybody would say: "sheesh, last guy was better than this!", is about the most horribly rude & unsubstantiated thing I can imagine saying about aforementioned deceased CEO! That isa pettiness to the nth degree.
As I said- I assume you jest, but had to speak up... just in case.
 
I agree with the 2nd part of what you said, but I truly hope that 1st part was in jest.

I'm half joking... but only half.

First off, I don't think he worried about Apple going under.

Jobs cared about himself first. He rarely gave credit to others, and yes I think it would fit his personality to hope that his successors were not seen as successful, idea wise.

If I'm wrong and he really wanted someone equally as involved in pushing Apple employees and design to go above and beyond, then you have to admit that he made a mistake choosing Cook.

For a person so fiercely competitive against Microsoft & Google /Android...

I think some, or even a lot of that, was for show.
 
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