And how is apple innovative the last 10 years? Inventing a useless touchbar? Having awful cooling solutions. Using potato cams in their laptops ? I don't see any innovation the last 10 years except for the airpods and the iPad pro 2018. Anything else is just the same formula for years and years. Hopefully, the arm transition could be a huge innovation for Apple.
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Former Intel Engineer Claims Buggy Skylake Chips Hastened Apple's Switch to Custom Silicon
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Expensive to Apple is a laugh.
All they had to do was open the cash register to make the Qualcomm problem go away.
Apple is not the only ones that had issues with Skylake, MS did as well with their Surface Pro and went back and forth with Intel over issues for nearly a year with the Surface Pro. It was assumed that MS was at fault, now we know otherwise.
Apple’s has been designing their own silicon for over a decade now and they’ll do just fine with desktop chips. Nice try random Intel PR person, but no dice.
Throttling up the frequency might be possible, but if Geekbench is even remotely accurate they don't even need to get into that, they just need to get at least six A13 (or future A14) cores working.
The current, as-is, 2.7Ghz A13 in the iPhone 11 registers single-core performance only 7% slower than the fastest single-core chip Intel (or AMD) makes, the desktop 3.7GHz Core i9-10900K. The A13 is basically equivalent in single-core to a desktop Intel Core i9-9900K @ 3.6GHz and faster than any i7 and anything that AMD makes.
It's a little hard to guess what the performance hit of more cores is, but you can kind of get an idea by pretending they could do multiprocessor instead of a single die. 3x A13, each of which has a 6W TDP so 18W TDP total, would be faster than any laptop Apple currently sells, and competitive with a top-of-the-line iMac. Pretending an 8-core "A13Z" was similar to 4x A13, it would have a TDP of 24W and approach the performance of a desktop 12-core i9. A hypothetical 10-core, equivalent to 5x A13, would be 30W and faster than anything other than 24+ core Xeon or Threadripper CPUs, so competitive with 125W chips.
All of which is to say Apple doesn't need to do a thing to clock speed, they just need to be able to maintain around the same performance and per-core thermal envelope when adding more than 4 cores. Even making it to 6 would be highly competitive for laptops or iMac-style desktops at a fraction of the power draw.
And it's their perfect right to do so, as that has always worked out well for them and for their customers.
I suppose you are referring to the investigations done by David Kanter from real world Technologies?
If I understood all this correctly, the consensus is that modern desktop GPUs indeed utilize tile-based cache architecture, but they are still immediate mode renderers. Apples GPUs use deferred rendering. It’s not the same thing. And Aple exposes the tiles to the developer, which means that advanced rendering is possible without ever needing additional memory or bandwidth.
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True, but personally I’d like to see more improvements to single-core perf. If the ARM MBP is not at least 15% faster here than what Intel can offer, I won’t contemplate an early switch
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Oh please. Confidently dissipating 90 Watts in a slim enclosure without bottom facing exhaust vents is far from being “super bad”.
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The thermal design in the MBA is inept. It definitely gives you pause about Apple's adherence to quality.
The problem with intel is that the CPU has become too bloated due to instructions after instructions added all them opcode it’s become a minefield and made the CPU so inflexible and too power demanding over the years, ARM was created all them years ago in the UK by Acorn with some Apple involvement to create a CPU for a desktop that was powerful cheep and based on RISC that helped in power consumption but Acorn no more but the ARM lived on threw portable mobile devices because it was so power efficient and now it’s coming back to the desktop as power is key users are no longer plugged into the wall they run from batteries and intel CPU is not ideal but ARM is
At this week's WWDC, Apple confirmed its plan to switch from Intel to custom processors for its Macs over a two-year transition period. Apple said that the switch is all about platform consolidation and performance advantages, but at least one former Intel insider claims that quality control issues with Skylake chips was the reason Apple finally decided to to ditch Intel.
There have been rumors suggesting Apple has an interest in Arm-based Macs for years now, but it was only on Monday that Apple confirmed the plan, satying it expects its first Mac with custom silicon to launch by the end of 2020.
Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo believes that a redesigned iMac due in the fourth quarter of 2020 will be one of Apple's first two Mac models with a custom Arm-based processor, with the other being a future 13-inch MacBook Pro.
Following Apple's announcement about its switch to custom silicon, Intel said it will continue supporting the Mac through its transition, but insisted that its processors are still the best option for developers.
Article Link: Former Intel Engineer Claims Buggy Skylake Chips Hastened Apple's Switch to Custom Silicon
This guy is the Intel version of me!
(Remember that time I explained why bulldozer was going to suck and everyone said i was a fake? Good times.)It was simply that Apple had accumulate enough knowledge on testing CPU's, by building the A4 in 2011. PC market nose dived in 2008, and INTEL executed mass layoffs 2009/10. Employment contracted again 2016/17 = desktop CPU R&D was delayed - again.
What’s Dell done for you lately?
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I see what you did there.
That we can fully agree on. I assumed the poster I replied to was talking about the MacBook Pro however.
Was there not a 7th generation Skylake? It appears that this one bug in Intel errata skipped the 7th generation. Oops.
The lack of innovation from Intel slowed product cycles and left a lot of us using Macs from more than 8 years ago. Having control over processor development (and quality control) will allow Apple to innovate and evolve the platform for more frequent compelling refreshes.
Since when is Apple concerned about Quality?
The thermal design is just fine for a 10W chip. It’s actually pretty clever. The confirmation will be when Apple puts their own chip in it next year.
50+ pages of modders on the MacBook Air page think they are better engineers than Apple’s and the best they have done is extract about 10% faster performance by transferring more heat to the bottom of the notebook.
Case in point: MBP where 2 ports are reduced speed - because the INTEL CPU did not have enough PCI lanes.
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The comments mostly blame Apple: total ignorance of CPU-TDP, or DRAM which has to match the CPU-interface.
I still have a bad taste in my mouth from when Dell was shipping DOA boards and systems. I had one client that had a dead main board, and it took Dell THREE TIMES to get a working board. THREE TIMES!!! The last time, they tried to blame me for the failure. Um, yeah, no. And later, I heard they were sued for that very thing. Yeah, Dell is crap. Their support was 'world class', THIRD world class. The experiences we had with Dell support were just insane, and we were resellers! If they can't support resellers, they are burning bridges they can't afford to burn. Plus they burned a client of ours, and they never bought Dell either after that hot mess. A bad experience makes a low price too high...
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Quieter (or no fans), improved battery, improved speeds and optimization
Possibly lower prices as well
It’s going to be a big upgrade all around
In the last ten years? I mean, besides HiDPI displays (that revolutionized the PC market), Thunderbolt, energy-efficient wide gamut displays, security coprocessors, new keyboard switches (that one didn’t go very well admittedly), not much I suppose. Of course, they also had their hands full developing the most efficient consumer CPU and GPU as well as hardware machine learning accelerators, but this probably doesn’t count since it wasn’t for their desktop platform. Of course, turns out, all of this stuff is coming to their desktop as well, so yeah...
Or are you talking about software? Well, for one, they developed an entire new programming language and a declarative DSL for defining user interfaces (that’s some pretty advanced stuff). Or a new efficient API for programming GPUs.They also made a new file system optimized for SSDs. What else... ah, all the crazy machine learning stuff that lets you perform rather accurate motion capture with a mobile phone camera. Stuff like that.
It offers them control of their future. It means they don't rely on another company to deliver a key part of their product. It also gives them a competitive advantage because they can throw money at it and customize it to their needs.
The MBA gets hot and makes tons of fan noise because there is not an efficient path to dissipate the heat. That's not "just fine."
I’m most looking forward to possible fanless, yet powerful Macs