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My bad, I meant to say auto-steering, which on a highway is pretty much driving itself.

No, it is not. People need to properly process this fact. This is precisely why numerous idiot Tesla drivers have become part of objects that the lane keep assist feature can't recognize.
 
I don't disagree that particular incident was her fault but this ignores the context of the original reply which was looking forward to when autonomous vehicles are indeed roaming our roads with no alert driver at the wheel, if there is even a steering wheel in some models.
fair enough
 
I disagree, because when you're buying a Tesla, you're helping buy into the extensive network of superchargers the company has put all over the USA and parts of the rest of the world. (They have around 1,200 of them installed, last I checked, and put new ones online at a rate of at least 1 to 4 per month.)

That's something as valuable as the car itself, because it enables truly taking a Tesla on a road trip without worries about battery range. In many cases, that supercharging is offered free of charge, even.

When you buy a traditional gasoline powered car, none of that is an issue because you already have an established network of gas stations. But it's a real consideration for an EV.

Besides that, a large capacity battery is a lot more expensive, currently, than a gas engine. Electric cars get to do without a transmission (only a single gear converter in a Tesla), so that helps. But still, your $75K Tesla has probably $18-20K in battery pack in there, right from the get-go. So you can't expect as much extra margin for making the interior super elegant.


Obviously?

Base MSRP of the Model S is nearly $75,000. It should have an interior on par with other $75,000+ cars and it doesn't.

The Model S' interior isn't even good enough to be in a $40k Mercedes C-Class or Audi A4.
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If the entire world purchased cars based on positive press, everyone would be driving Mazda Miatas or Alfa Romeo Giulias.

The reality is that positive reviews don't help sales. The public will just go buy another F150 or Toyota Camry.
 
No, it is not. People need to properly process this fact. This is precisely why numerous idiot Tesla drivers have become part of objects that the lane keep assist feature can't recognize.
All I hear is an angry forum commenter who has never owned a Tesla. Maybe one day you will ;)
 
I drive, just for work and back, 75 miles each day. If I go to a movie or something similar that can increase my distance to 120 miles plus. I am helping a relative re-do his old farmhouse, and round trip that is probably 160 miles if all I do is drive to his house and back, which I do on weekends.

I have friends in Denver and Kansas City, with KC being juuuuuuuust on the edge of how far a Tesla can travel on a charge, at around 230 miles, give or take a few miles. I haven't checked how many charging stations Tesla has in Nebraska, but Denver is well over 500 miles away, so unless there are a couple of them in western Nebraska or soon and in Colorado near the Nebraska border then that trip is risky as well.

I own a 2005 Prius, the first generation 4 model. I am the original owner and I caught a lot of flack about how ugly it was and how I would regret having to replace the batteries and all the other mechanical failures that people said would happen. I now have 280,000 miles on that car, and it still has it's original battery pack. My second car is also a hybrid. I get how having a 'different' car brings out the nay-sayers, I just don't think states like Nebraska and Wyoming and Montana which are extremely low population states have the population to justify any electric car maker spending money on charging stations. They need to make certain areas with a lot of potential buyers are ready first.

It's a long way from Omaha (and I don't live IN Omaha, it's just the nearest city) to any other major metro area. KC is probably closest. My Prius can make it from border to border driving across Nebraska, which is 500 miles. After that I can refill at any gas station. Once you can say something similar about electric cars and when it is as easy and fast to recharge as a gas stop then I will think electrics are good for us in fly-over country.

No offense, but you haven’t done your homework. Tesla has 7 superchargers on 80 between Omaha and Denver. Plus all the other non-Tesla charging stations. Take a look at the map. You might be surprised.

https://www.tesla.com/charging
 
Eh, all Apple products invariably have to go through the same few stages of cognitive dissonance.

1) When product is first released - there is no way Apple can be successful or even compete in any of these markets.
2) Said product goes on to sell in ever-increasing quantities, capturing mindshare and the lion's share of the profits
3) A few years later - of course it will succeed. Apple sheep will buy anything.

First it was the watch and the AirPods, now it's the homepod, the car will be no different, and the outcome will still be the same.
Both the watch and AirPods are hits compared to the flop Homepod is. Both took decent chunks if their markets, homepod is a distant laughable third...
 
Part of his point still stands though.... that charging EVs is a lot slower (even with Superchargers) than just filling up at the gas station and continuing on a trip.

Personally, I'm ok with that. Especially as I've gotten a little older, I can't do those marathon drives anymore where I try to make it across 5 or 6 states in a day. I'd rather plan out my road trips so when I have to stop for 45 minutes to an hour to recharge the car, it's a good time to grab a meal or walk around and shop or something. Many Tesla owners have commented how the time requirement of charging has lead to a change in their attitude about road trips, so they're more relaxed on them than they used to be. (The Superchargers are almost always going to be strategically located near stores and restaurants or even sites to see. They don't just put a lone one out in the middle of nowhere so you'll be totally bored waiting to charge back up.)


No offense, but you haven’t done your homework. Tesla has 7 superchargers on 80 between Omaha and Denver. Plus all the other non-Tesla charging stations. Take a look at the map. You might be surprised.

https://www.tesla.com/charging
 
Part of his point still stands though.... that charging EVs is a lot slower (even with Superchargers) than just filling up at the gas station and continuing on a trip.

Personally, I'm ok with that. Especially as I've gotten a little older, I can't do those marathon drives anymore where I try to make it across 5 or 6 states in a day. I'd rather plan out my road trips so when I have to stop for 45 minutes to an hour to recharge the car, it's a good time to grab a meal or walk around and shop or something. Many Tesla owners have commented how the time requirement of charging has lead to a change in their attitude about road trips, so they're more relaxed on them than they used to be. (The Superchargers are almost always going to be strategically located near stores and restaurants or even sites to see. They don't just put a lone one out in the middle of nowhere so you'll be totally bored waiting to charge back up.)

He made a number of valid points about EVs. I’m not suggesting they are as quick or easy to refuel (so to speak) as a gas powered vehicle. That said, when people obsess about range, it’s pretty silly. Very few people drive more than 200 miles per day. Yes, there will be those road trips that require a recharge, but as the map illustrates, there are plenty of chargers all over the US now. Tesla has been very aggressive in building out their supercharger network.

As far as long road trips go, I’m with you. I can’t do those marathon drives anymore. So taking a break for 20-30 minutes while the car charges is no problem. If anything, it’s a benefit because it requires you to stand up, move around for a bit, etc. Furthermore, given how many superchargers are now available, one doesn’t need to fully charge at each stop. Even in a gas powered vehicle, when I stop on a road trip, I usually use the restroom, get a snack, etc. I can easily spend 15 minutes at a gas station. So adding another 15 minutes, give or take, doesn’t seem like a big deal.
 
You don't understand my point. Don't bother reading it again. You're never going to get it.
I will make it easy for you.
I said "Some of us are expert in our respective fields and can tell a lot by simply looking at certain things."
Your response was "baggage handlers can fly planes", which is totally irrelevant.
 
All I hear is an angry forum commenter who has never owned a Tesla. Maybe one day you will ;)

Really? If I’m at all angry, it’s about the needless loss of life. The autopilot suite is not unique to Tesla yet their owners are the only ones touting “self driving.” You don’t see a problem?
 
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