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Goodness gracious.
Can't we be a touch more mature than this?
Oh sure.

Let me submit a post on MacRumors forums, have it be kosher with the mods in the forums and get a bunch of likes, then when no one is looking, edit the post to be something completely different that's entirely against the rules. Then I'll get banned to which then I'll sue the site so that I can have my account be reinstated because MR has a monopoly on MR comments.

I bet you'd be 100% in support of this!
 
The App Store needs to separate these fremium games from free games.
They need to do something. The ability for a company like Epic, to be able to place their App into a reputable store, get free marketing, and product placement, all for the once a year payment of $99 is ridiculous. Once they allow sideloading on their platform throughout, they would no longer be a monopoly provider, and could simply offer developers a home for their product, that is safe and secure, and came with the enormity of the brands marketing, at a cost. There will be developers that wish to remain under the protective wings of Apple. Any developer that chooses to place it's apps within another digital store, on their iOS platform, would be persona non gratis within their App Store.
 
The ability for a company like Epic, to be able to place their App into a reputable store, get free marketing, and product placement, all for the once a year payment of $99 is ridiculous
It's not ridiculous - it's just the price tag that Apple has put on that type of service.
And one that is also is availed to all other developers.

Including many that make dozens, hundreds of millions of dollars from transactions in and through their apps - without paying another commission to Apple (Uber, Doordash, Booking.com etc.).

As for free marketing and product placement, many of these developers don't require it. It is "ridiculous" to force it upon them.

Any developer that chooses to place it's apps within another digital store, on their iOS platform, would be persona non gratis within their App Store.
"Persona non gratis"? Bit rich from someone that just minutes ago accused others of "quite illiterate posts".

But yeah... hopefully these developers may at least distribute their apps "for gratis".
 
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CONSUMER CHOICE!!!
We WANT to install:

Steam
GOG Galaxy
EA App
Ubisoft Connect
Epic Games Launcher
Xbox App
xCloud App
Battle.net
Itch.io
Rockstar Games Launcher
Bethesda Launcher
Riot Games Client
Amazon Games
Geforce Now
Playstation Store
Nintendo Store
Google Play

And then we want to launch each of these apps on our iPhones to manually update each game! But no wait, you have to login again because it's been 2+ weeks since you launched the app and your tokens expired.

Oh your phone got stolen? Good luck restoring back to the original state. iCloud backups ain't going to be backing up your games that you installed from these stores.

BTW enjoy your battery life. Mr. Tim Sweeney hates native notifications so he demanded that all iPhones run a separate service to serve push notifications for each store. BECAUSE APPLE BAD AMIRITE?

🙄
 
BTW enjoy your battery life.
Store applications neither have to nor will run in the background any more than other applications.

But no wait, you have to login again because it's been 2+ weeks since you launched the app and your tokens expired.
I have enough apps - including banking apps - that run without a hitch for months, without epired tokens or having to re-login.

iCloud backups ain't going to be backing up your games that you installed from these stores.
Neither will they backup your iOS apps - they'd just get redownloaded from Apple's store.
 
That's what I'm most surprised about. Hasn't it been like 4 years since it was taken off the App Store?

I honestly didn't think more than a few hundred vocal crazies were that invested in still being able to download this game onto their iPhones.
The game is still available on other platforms. Probably why there wasn’t a larger backlash when it was removed from the App Store. People could still access Fortnite on the switch, PC and PS5. The money Epic claims it “lost” from iOS, it likely made back elsewhere as well.

It is what it is. 🙃
 
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Gotta admit, I really do miss having all my subs in one place, easily accessible, easy to remember to unsubscribe, easy to ACTUALLY unsubscribe. No hoops to jump thru. Easy to request a refund. Now if I have a sub to something outside the apple echo system, it's such a hassle to do anything but stay subscribed long after you don't want to.

Say what you will about the cut apple takes, the service they provided to the consumer was very consumer friendly.
 
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Apple‘s rates were found supracompetitive (they charge much more than in a competitive market).
Their non-steering rules anticompetitive.
But they're not - the same as absolutely everyone else in the industry- in fact they didn't even come up with the 30% split, that was Valve with Steam and it became industry standard - though they largely followed the same split that earlier physical markets on game consoles had taken from Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony.

At the intro 15% price Apple are now one of the best - all other stores are 30%, Steam, Google Play, Playstation store, Xbox store, Nintendo store, Meta Quest store, WebOS and all other smart TV platforms, other PC game stores (with the exception of Epic).
 
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Here’s my cool fortnite story…downloaded. Updated it. Logged in using Apple hide my email account. Ran squads. Downed a guy, teammate didn’t end him, I did. Took way more shots than it should. Took out one or two other players. Forgot about the closing in dust storm. Died. Teammates held on strong. We came in 3rd place. Collected my XP. Deleted for iPhone storage. End of story.
 
so it is only in the US? I don’t see it for the App Store in Canada?
I think most likely all other stores will require Epic to get its main developer account reinstated. Epic used an EU subsidiary and pressure from a US judge (to comply immediately, and not wait for the appeal) to get it into the US store, but that tactic only works for the US, where the judge has jurisdiction.

I believe Apple will allow Epic’s account to be reinstated once the final US guidelines are in place (assuming Epic is willing to comply with them), after the appeal is done.
 
Say what you will about the cut apple takes, the service they provided to the consumer was very consumer friendly.
Which is not going to change.

Apple may just have to price it more competitively, i.e. lower - which, again, would be very consumer friendly.
Which may even induce other developers to choose Apple‘s IAP - which, again, would be very consumer friendly.

Because some the largest developers, that make the most popular apps, do not offer or link to purchases in their account management whatsoever. Which is not consumer friendly.
Although very understandable, when Apple itself is one of their largest competitors - deriving an unfair advantage from this commission pricing.
 
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But they're not - the same as absolutely everyone else in the industry-
The industry may not be pricing their services competitively.
If they do, what’s the issue for Apple to comply in good faith?

👉 If 30% is so good a deal and competitively priced, why would anyone be so stupid and not take that offer - and choose other, less reputable payment process then?

Apple just have to comply - no one will choose any other services, if the offer is so competitive as you said - problem solved. Millions saved in legal fees.
30%, Steam, Google Play, Playstation store, Xbox store, Nintendo store, Meta Quest store, WebOS and all other smart TV platforms, other PC game stores (with the exception of Epic)
With the exception of Google Play, you‘re naming only game storefronts.
And even Microsoft has different prices on their store for games and non-game applications.

👉 Seems to be (related but somewhat) different markets then.

And I can tell you one thing: 30% is not industry standard for payment processing in non-game applications (i.e.streaming services or ebook stores).
 
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If 30% is so good a deal and competitively priced, why would anyone be so stupid and not take that offer - and choose other, less reputable payment process then?

Apple just have to comply - no one will choose any other services, if the offer is so competitive as you said - problem solved. Millions saved in legal fees.

This is an excellent point.

If the high percentages Apple charges are of such value to developers, they obviously would choose that path even if given other options.

A healthy market in action.
Developers choosing a more expensive distribution path due to the benefits it offers them.
 
If you're 5 years old, maybe...
I hope this 2025 chart helps you understand the typical age of players.

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