You can get 6k monitors for less than $2k these days. The starting prices for 27" iMacs were not much higher than the prices of similar standalone monitors from other companies. If Apple wanted to make a 32" iMac, I would expect the price of the base model to be somewhere between $2.5k and $3k.
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Apple is selling a 5k monitor for $1600. Now lets upsize that to 32" (The apple 32" XDR is $5000), add in a custom aluminium chassis, bespoke cooling system, CPU, IO... IMHO I don't see that at 3K.
The Studio Display is already a computer. You just can't use it on its own.
A 6k display is ~40% larger than a 5k display. If you keep everything else the same, making a 6k display probably won't be more than ~50% more expensive than a 5k display. So you could have a 6k Studio Display for $2400. Then add a few hundred to replace the A13 with M4 and to add some ports.
The Pro Display XDR is ancient. And it was always intended to be a niche product, which made it far less cost-effective than mass market displays. It was never a good example of what a mass market 6k monitor would cost. Even one meeting Apple's quality standards.
Similarly, a 6k iMac would be ~80% larger than a 4.5k iMac. If manufactured and sold in similar quantities, the starting price of a 6k model might be 2x as high. Or $2600.
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Yes, I mean the 24" “Retina 4.5K” IPS display in the iMac is a bespoke product, made only for Apple. So another bespoke display, Retina 30" is my guess, isn’t an outlandish idea. They have the power to do it. LG or Samsung could make that for them easily.
Doesn't have to be anywhere near that expensive. Doing a back-of-the envelope calculation:
The base 21.5" M4 iMac starts at $1,300. If we scale everything up in proportion to screen area, that would be $1,300 x (32/21.5)^2 = $1,300 x 2.2 = $2,900. That allows for a scaling up of all non-computer materials (display, case, stand, power supply, cooling, speakers, camera, etc.), as well as allowing 2.2 x as much for the SoC/RAM/SSD/ports, which would allow the 32" iMac's starting configuration to be an M# Pro instead of an M#.
Indeed, using current display production techniques, which allow multiple panel sizes to be cut from a single mother glass, the panels for the 32" iMac could be produced on the same production lines as those for the 21.5" iMac, thus taking advantage of economies of scale.
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[NOTE: I’ve cleaned up my mess here, but for the sake of posterity, I’ve retained the “Mac16,15” information even though it is an Apple support error and should be Mac16,11. Use the link below to see if it has been corrected.]
Okay, the "Identify your ..." pages are up for the new models, and there is one surprise that undermines our assumptions here in this thread. The M4 Pro Mac mini is listed as Mac16,15:
M4
Mac16,1 :: M4 MacBook Pro 14"
Mac16,2 :: M4 iMac (Two ports)
Mac16,3 :: M4 iMac (Four ports)
Mac16,8 :: M4 Pro MacBook Pro 14"
Mac16,6 :: M4 Max MacBook Pro 14"
Mac16,7 :: M4 Pro MacBook Pro 16"
Mac16,5 :: M4 Max MacBook Pro 16"
Mac16,10 :: M4 Mac mini
Mac16,15 :: M4 Pro Mac mini
If “Mac16,15” is accurate, all bets are off. It leaves four of the original M4 list unaccounted for, and there could be a Mac16,14, which would then leave five M4 identifiers unaccounted for. M4 MacBook Airs would seem more than likely, and M4 could then be the first Mac silicon generation where every current model gets the goods.
As for M5 and Mac17,1 and Mac17,2, it's likely something new. Whether it makes it into production is another question.
Okay, the "Identify your ..." pages are up for the new models, and there is one surprise that undermines our assumptions here in this thread. The M4 Pro Mac mini is listed as Mac16,15:
M4
Mac16,1 :: M4 MacBook Pro 14"
Mac16,2 :: M4 iMac (Two ports)
Mac16,3 :: M4 iMac (Four ports)
Mac16,8 :: M4 Pro MacBook Pro 14"
Mac16,6 :: M4 Max MacBook Pro 14"
Mac16,7 :: M4 Pro MacBook Pro 16"
Mac16,5 :: M4 Max MacBook Pro 16"
Mac16,10 :: M4 Mac mini
Mac16,15 :: M4 Pro Mac mini
If “Mac16,15” is accurate, all bets are off. It leaves four of the original M4 list unaccounted for, and there could be a Mac16,14, which would then leave five M4 identifiers unaccounted for. M4 MacBook Airs would seem more than likely, and M4 could then be the first Mac silicon generation where every current model gets the goods.
As for M5 and Mac17,1 and Mac17,2, it's likely something new. Whether it makes it into production is another question.
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So the Geekbench app just pulls a wrong number? All the benchmark videos / screenshots of the base M4 mini says Mac16,10, within Geeknehch.
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Actually not even that. I saw a base M4 mini video, going into macOS System Information and it says Mac16,10.
It's possible. First time I think opposite, but at my second take... Apple needs servers to run its own services and do ML workloads. And current Mac Pro is 5U and just wasted expensive space in data center, second – Apple in bad relationships with Nvidia for decades, don't think they buy H100, as they have great chips already at home and market is just wild now – the normal count of chips to run a AI company is measured in hundreds of thousands of NPU nowadays. Just a great time to reveal M5 Xserve. I will buy one in first day.
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Okay, other way around then. [EDIT: Done, confirmed] In the past, those pages have always listed them from low to high, and the 16" entry lists Mac16,7 first, then Mac16,5.
If we can’t take that for granted, then that probably also means the 14" MBP identifiers need to be reversed. [EDIT: Done, also confirmed]
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It’ll be strange to have an Xserve that doesn’t sound like a jet engine though…
In a 16" M4 Max live stream, I saw the about this Mac saying Mac16,5 MX2W3B/A
And what better machine for AI developers to use as a front-end than a M5 Mac Pro Cube...! ;^p
After the recent Mac launch, we have 3 M4 Mac identifiers left: Mac16,9 Mac16,12 and Mac16,13.
If there’s no more M4 identifiers, Mac16,9 should be the M4 Ultra Mac Pro and Mac16,12 and Mac16,13 should be the M4 Max and M4 Ultra Mac Studio.
So that means they should be coming out in Spring 2025 and the remaining 2 M5 Mac identifiers are the 13” and 15” M5 MacBook Airs. M5 should debut at WWDC25 in new MacBook Airs unless if there’s more M4 Mac identifiers that weren’t included in the files
I’ve been waiting to see how EveryMac would handle the Mac16,15 problem. They left it “pending” until recently, when they went with an asterisk for Mac16,11*, as follows:
“* Based on hands-on inspection of the hardware itself, EveryMac.com has visually determined that the Model Identifier of Mac mini models equipped with M4 Pro processors is Mac16,11. However, in some official Apple documentation, the company reports the Model Identifier as "Mac16,15". EveryMac.com believes that Apple's documentation is incorrect, but further research is needed for confirmation. If you have purchased a Mac mini "M4 Pro", please get in touch to help confirm identifiers. Thank you.”
“* Based on hands-on inspection of the hardware itself, EveryMac.com has visually determined that the Model Identifier of Mac mini models equipped with M4 Pro processors is Mac16,11. However, in some official Apple documentation, the company reports the Model Identifier as "Mac16,15". EveryMac.com believes that Apple's documentation is incorrect, but further research is needed for confirmation. If you have purchased a Mac mini "M4 Pro", please get in touch to help confirm identifiers. Thank you.”
I've just bought the binned version of the MacMini M4 Pro (12 CPU Core, 16 GPU) and I can confirm that the identifier is Mac16,11 and Model A3239.
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Mac16,12 and Mac16,13 are the upcoming MacBook Air.
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Also, I see Apple has corrected the “Mac16,15” error. It’s now listed correctly as Mac16,11:
support.apple.com
Identify your Mac mini model - Apple Support
Learn all the ways to identify your Mac mini model.
So that just leaves Mac16,9 unaccounted for on the list that started this thread.Mac16,12 and Mac16,13 are the upcoming MacBook Air.
macOS Sequoia 15.2 Confirms New M4 MacBook Air Models Are Coming
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Something has to give. The last simple explanation (other than the list not being gospel) just went out the window.
Wait wait, so there’s a Mac (16,9) that we don’t know what could be? Could it be one of the two Studios (M4 Max & Ultra)?
Because, if you don’t have a clue for that Mac, we could have a surprising comeback ten years after its presentation… 🤞🏻
Maybe so! It’s possible, I guess.
Most likely the list is not gospel, and this is what we’ll see:
Mac16,9 = M4 Ultra Mac Pro
Mac16,14 = M4 Ultra Mac Studio
Mac16,15 = M4 Max Mac Studio
But if it is gospel and the last remaining M4 slot is not iMac Plus, then what? Which two are the M5s? I don’t know.
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I am inclined to also believe your small list is the case. This means the M4 Extreme still doesn't exist, and that the Mac Pro still will only ship with an Ultra chip.
Otherwise it would take scenarios that sound even less likely:
- There is a planned but unreleased M4 Mac that is scrapped
- There will be a single M4 Mac with new form factor (the rumored 12" MBP, foldable etc)
- Mac Studio will only have one variant in M4 Max but no M4 Ultra
Ding ding ding!
Just what I wish to happen, not what I expect to happen
If that’s the mysterious new Apple device, then, I honestly don’t know wether to return my Mac mini and going the 12” MBA route.
If it’s a 12” MBP, just like it was rumored, then I’m not interested because I need portability so I’ll probably stick with my 11” M2 iPad Pro.