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In 2050: Can you remember that moment when everyone thought she had the coronavirus, but she was just hitting the dub?
 
Whatever you think of China generally the fact is they have had way fewer deaths from the virus than Italy / UK / Spain and the US so they are obviously doing something right. Certainly not saying they are perfect me being a fan of democracy and all but perhaps we can all learn something from them on this.
 
Can you imagine trying to get a bunch of Americans in their 20’s to follow all those rules and let themselves be tracked all day and night to make sure they do?

All you would need to do is give them a free iPhone or free Apple watch.
 
oohhh nooo. I feel so bad for those people who might lose their job working in the wet market that caused a world wide pandemic where 30 million people in USA alone lost their jobs. OHHH I FEEL SO BAD KEEP IT OPEN
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replace Chinese government with every government
AIDS from America. I also know a rumor that American gets AIDS because they have do something
with gorilla. We didn't complaint that, because we know that nobody want that happened.
The resource of virus haven't been confirmed, why cannot it from an US military base?

Our government directed by CCP have 70 million members(about 5% of our population). They fight with virus in frontline and we stay at home.
I'm not a CCP member. If we replace them, who can protect us? Any company or government like you have?
 
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Perhaps China's communist government can answer one question, why airplanes continued to fly out of China after Wuhan was locked-down.

Because China is a huge country, roughly the size of the US. If there are signs of an outbreak in Portland, Maine should you stop flights from Portland Oregon?
 
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Yeah, indeed it's always communist's fault, haha.
Perhaps I can ask one question, why doesn't NYC even have a lock-down (sooner) like Wuhan?
If airplanes are banned by the Chinese government, you guys will also whine about authoritarianism, am I right? "Limiting people's freedom to travel outside so they can be put in concentration camps to die without treatment."
Calm down, this is about Foxconn's measure to stop the second outbreak, be happy when measures like this are put out so people won't die.

What a bad take.
 
I lived in Shanghai for 3 years and traveled frequently to Mainland China before and after that. Even Hongkongers comment that Mainlanders seem to be rather lax with their hygiene, as they openly sneeze then put a finger first over one nostril then the other to blow snot onto the ground.

Perhaps this campaign will teach a new generation how to limit the spread of germs.
 
Watch London Real interview from 6 April and your question probably will get answered.

I don't know "London Real". You could say what it proclaims right here on this site.
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Yeah, indeed it's always communist's fault, haha.
Perhaps I can ask one question, why doesn't NYC even have a lock-down (sooner) like Wuhan?
If airplanes are banned by the Chinese government, you guys will also whine about authoritarianism, am I right? "Limiting people's freedom to travel outside so they can be put in concentration camps to die without treatment."
Calm down, this is about Foxconn's measure to stop the second outbreak, be happy when measures like this are put out so people won't die.


If China's government had enough knowledge to totally shut-down the Wuhan area then they could have shut-down all flights out of China at the same time.

Because China is an authoritarian 1-party country that has some issues with the West, I can easily speculate they saw an opportunity to weaponize this virus. They knew Western democracies would have a harder time containing the virus.
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Is your tin hat interfering with your face mask?
Dude, please, just stop blabbing nonsense.
Given your post record in this thread, doubling down on the same nonsense, it must be extremely hard.
For your sake, give it a try.

"Coronavirus Updates: Studies Show N.Y. Outbreak Originated in Europe"
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This virus originated in the Wuhan area. It spread all over the world.
 
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Because they were interested in the welfare of their own people and are not those of other nations. If other nations wanted to prevent the flights, they easily could have after learning about the lockdown. Many countries that implemented travel restrictions from China early on like Singapore and UAE had only minor and manageable outbreaks.
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China's communist party is interested in the welfare of the party. The citizens prop-up the party.
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Because China is a huge country, roughly the size of the US. If there are signs of an outbreak in Portland, Maine should you stop flights from Portland Oregon?

Yes
 
Because China is an authoritarian 1-party country that has some issues with the West, I can easily speculate they saw an opportunity to weaponize this virus. They knew Western democracies would have a harder time containing the virus.
So the Chinese government wanted to kill the people who buy the products manufactured in China... Very smart!
 
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So the Chinese government wanted to kill the people who buy the products manufactured in China... Very smart!


China's government, led by emperor Jinping, has ambitions to be the world tech leader. A 1-party government answers to no one. It can take advantage of a situation. It is easy to speculate China's government did not want to contain this virus to China, to contain the damage to only its economy.
 
China's communist party is interested in the welfare of the party. The citizens prop-up the party.

Well, technically yes, but almost 1 in 10 people are party members, so it's not as clear cut as the party only looking after a tiny few. Like it or not, the citizens prop up the party because there has been a steadily increasing standard of living for individuals and collective prosperity over the past decades, lifting hundreds of millions from below the poverty line. It's not without a lot of obvious and systemic issues of course, but western media and people outside China tend to focus so much on the communism part that they forget the main reason the government is generally well liked.
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Because China is a huge country, roughly the size of the US. If there are signs of an outbreak in Portland, Maine should you stop flights from Portland Oregon?

Yes, and China implemented it internally and heavily restricted travel to and from the epicenter and most other provinces with mandatory quarantines and flight/train cancellations. The curve tend to start flattening immediately after a near-complete lockdown, as can be seen in California and New York, with a two week delay of course. The U.S. should have done it sooner for travelers from Europe as soon as the situation in Italy became serious, which is probably why the situation is much worse on the east coast than on the west coast, where travel from China was restricted early on.
 
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Well, technically yes, but almost 1 in 10 people are party members, so it's not as clear cut as the party only looking after a tiny few. Like it or not, the citizens prop up the party because there has been a steadily increasing standard of living for individuals and collective prosperity over the past decades, lifting hundreds of millions from below the poverty line. It's not without a lot of obvious and systemic issues of course, but western media and people outside China tend to focus so much on the communism part that they forget the main reason the government is generally well liked.


I didn't say China's communist party is a "tiny few". The party has a huge membership. However, there is, like a typical political party, a select few that really have all the privileges.

Lift people out of poverty and they will like you. Everyone knows this about the relationship between China's communist party and its people. But, their party also believes it has to make a huge draconian police state. So "generally well liked" is probably not the best term to describe the relationship. Maybe a better description is "China's government gives its people hope for a better future".
 
I didn't say China's communist party is a "tiny few". The party has a huge membership. However, there is, like a typical political party, a select few that really have all the privileges.

Sure there are people who have privileges, but those are people who either have money or power, regardless of whether they are party members, as with all societies. Of course, government officials have to be party members, but that's not really a high bar nor is it as serious as people make it seem. Typically moderately high achievers in school will get to join the party, which basically like a positive mark on their permanent record, which is good for find jobs in State owned corporations and/or going to higher education.

Lift people out of poverty and they will like you. Everyone knows this about the relationship between China's communist party and its people. But, their party also believes it has to make a huge draconian police state. So "generally well liked" is probably not the best term to describe the relationship. Maybe a better description is "China's government gives its people hope for a better future".

Despite the censorship and control of information, the "police state" in China isn't all that capable when it comes down to really controlling the daily lives of its citizens. People are free to badmouth the government all the time and it's not uncommon to see someone arguing with a policeman who is trying to enforce some mundane traffic law. The government steps in if you are a dissident actively trying to overthrow it but otherwise they just don't care. With less than half of the U.S.'s police per capita, it's simply not possible to track everyone all the time and enforce all the rules, even with the help of technology. In any case, the economic and life standard progress made in the past few decades has given people concrete reasons to expect a better future, which is why most policies are supported and the sentiment toward the government as a whole is generally more positive than many other countries.
 
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Sure there are people who have privileges, but those are people who either have money or power, regardless of whether they are party members, as with all societies. Of course, government officials have to be party members, but that's not really a high bar nor is it as serious as people make it seem. Typically moderately high achievers in school will get to join the party, which basically like a positive mark on their permanent record, which is good for find jobs in State owned corporations and/or going to higher education.



Despite the censorship and control of information, the "police state" in China isn't all that capable when it comes down to really controlling the daily lives of its citizens. People are free to badmouth the government all the time and it's not uncommon to see someone arguing with a policeman who is trying to enforce some mundane traffic law. The government steps in if you are a dissident actively trying to overthrow it but otherwise they just don't care. With less than half of the U.S.'s police per capita, it's simply not possible to track everyone all the time and enforce all the rules, even with the help of technology. In any case, the economic and life standard progress made in the past few decades has given people concrete reasons to expect a better future, which is why most policies are supported and the sentiment toward the government as a whole is generally more positive than many other countries.



Censorship and control of information is a lot of power over people.

They're getting better and better at controlling daily lives of citizens. They have some kind of 'social credit' rating system. You lose points if you do irresponsible or bad things.

How many "dissidents" does China have in prisons or camps?

It is possible to track everyone. They'll get there eventually.
 
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"A Foxconn employee told The Washington Post that workers are provided with a face mask and have their temperatures checked regularly, plus there are infrared cameras to check people for fevers as they walk by."

Well, i guess it's not all bad. From how good they are when it helps "us" to privacy invasion, in the space of who knows how long...

These will have double-uses, but i only agree with one of them. They are not gonna be dismantled.. It will be that "light bulb" that goes off in Chna that says "This gives us a better idea'
 
Censorship and control of information is a lot of power over people.

They're getting better and better at controlling daily lives of citizens. They have some kind of 'social credit' rating system. You lose points if you do irresponsible or bad things.

The social credit system is a glorified credit scoring system with enforceable consequences like no fly lists. The more egregious behavioral based scoring that you see mentioned are from the various beta testing that regional government have been doing for the past 5 years as China implements a way to track the credibility of lenders and borrowers. Most people in China doesn't have credit cards, so a new system has to be put in place to track credit. A clear nation-wide policy has yet to be defined and the more controversial scoring methods that are usually highlight by media outlets, as far as I can tell, mostly stayed in the testing stage. Currently most of the behavioral based components focus on minor infractions like traffic violations or things like garbage disposal implemented at the discretion of cities, not unlike a drivers license point system. Nothing that seems overreaching or causes significant concerns (yet, anyway).

How many "dissidents" does China have in prisons or camps?

It is possible to track everyone. They'll get there eventually.

Large in number but incredibly little per capita. General incarceration rates for China is around 120 to 170 per 100,000 people, depending on people's definitions of what counts as prisoners and what counts as prisons or camps. Even if that data comes with an enormous margin of error, that still pales in comparison to the U.S. at 650+ or Russia at 360+. Regardless, dissident incarceration is just not on a wide enough scale to be constantly on the minds of the overwhelming majority of people. I'm sure it's possible to eventually track everyone and everything. If everything that we read is to believed, most of China would be persecuted already based on the data the government already collects. Enforcement is really only focused on (what the government considers) egregious cases, while still very concerning, doesn't really affect the lives of most people.
 
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comment that Mainlanders seem to be rather lax with their hygiene

"Rather lax", are you kidding me? When I lived in Shanghai 10 years ago it was common practice to pee on the street (even in Jingan) and crap into sink holes. Spitting EVERYWHERE. Raw meat in markets exposed outdoors of course, flys all over it. Restaurants washing their dishes by hand at the backdoor on the dirty ground in a big bucket with cold water and soap, next to de-gutting fish and frogs...

Now meat and big dairy has bought China, resulting in 50 % (fifty!!) of Chinese citizens being either diabetic or pre-diabetic. Air pollution kills 1,6+ million citizens in China each (!) year. In Beijing, 39.9% of water is so polluted that it is essentially functionless. In Tianjin, northern China's principal port city and home to 15 million people, a mere 4.9% of water is usable as a drinking water source... it just goes on like this.

We're living in the end times. With overfishing, oceans will be void of fish by 2035-2050, which marks the end of our species as well, since our ecosystems are strongly intertwined. Check out the article on the sixth mass extinction on Wikipedia.
 
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Perhaps the only place where these policies could be enacted and also the only place that can permanently end any future risk of this by closing wet markets.
 
"A Foxconn employee told The Washington Post that workers are provided with a face mask and have their temperatures checked regularly, plus there are infrared cameras to check people for fevers as they walk by."

Well, i guess it's not all bad. From how good they are when it helps "us" to privacy invasion, in the space of who knows how long...

These will have double-uses, but i only agree with one of them. They are not gonna be dismantled.. It will be that "light bulb" that goes off in Chna that says "This gives us a better idea'


Americans are funny with their double standards.


When China does it first, it's considered an invasion of privacy.

When Americans install scanners, it's a "sacrifice" or whatever propaganda phrase you want to use.
 
I’d start with closing down the wet markets, not reopening them (insane).

Will we also start regulating the use of antibiotics in our meat industries, before we get a superbug pandemic? You know, the warnings have been there for a long time too...
 
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