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A bit of a hidden capability is that Apple actually built this tech into the current phone. If you put your iPhone 7 into a microwave for 2 minutes on high, this gives a fast charge lasting 3 hours.
 
Just use whatever Samsung uses for their fast charge wireless tech it works great. Anything they can add to that would be icing on the cake.

I don't think you understand what Samsung's "fast charge" is. There's no special technology there. Samsung has just cranked up the charging rates to the highest allowable risk levels. All manufactures set their charge rates well under their capacities for safety reasons. We don't want our batteries to explode right?
The reasons, most likely, why the Note 7's battery exploded was for a number of reasons that worked in combination. One being it's risky charge level and two being that the anodes and cathodes were too close to each other that the electrons were able to jump over. Yes these are theories posed by professionals in the industry. Samsung claims to have not found the answer yet but I, and many experts in the industry, believe they do know the answer. They just don't want to admit it because, you know, guilt. :/
 
I never really got excited about the benefits of wireless charging, but I was at a BMW dealer today where they showed me a new mobile phone docking station with wireless charging for multiple phone manufacturers.

If the iPhone supported wireless charging, I have to admit it would be kind of cool to just pop my iPhone on the wireless charging adapter and away it goes.
 
Looking at how Apple has performed in the past few years, I cannot imagine them innovating a device anywhere near what is rumored.
 
I'm saying it now, and I'll come back to this post in September 2017. People are going to be equally disappointed with the new iPhone as they were with the new MacBooks. People are already calling it the "10th anniversary", iPhone 8, biggest iPhone redesign. It's okay for a rumors page to give out those names for the sake of rumors. What is not okay, is for people to fully believe those rumors, then get angry because they were disappointed of something that they thought was going to happen and never did. What if they go with the same iPhone 7 design and simply call it 7S? Try to take the "10th anniversary" out of people's mind then... no, they'll be too busy dooming Apple and claiming what Steve Jobs would have done as if Steve used to discuss design ideas with them personally.

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On a serious note, I think wireless charging will truly become usable when we have the option to install various "charging routers" around the house that emit "witricity". That way you'd be charging your phone every where around the house.

I agree with you on both points. As big of an Apple fan as I am, I know them well enough to foresee them putting this out with an Apple centric router or router add on that you will have to purchase seperatly.
Likely in the beginning and improve over time to become universal. Hopefully.

On your first point though, I think it's fine to read rumours as long as you take it with a grain of salt. I think intelligent people understand that they're reading rumours and not facts. True fact, there are more stupid people in our world than intelligent ones. Sad, I know.
It's nice to hope for things we know for sure that Apple is working on no matter how clandestine they try to be, %90 of their work leaks out over time. Not everything they work on comes to market or to a product and some things take more work and are delayed to a future date. PatentlyApple is one of my favourite sources for information. Jack is pretty phenomenal in his work and I'm impressed that he keeps up with everything from day to day. Anyhow, what I'm getting at is that I believe people really need hear from the companies themselves and formulate their own opinions. For example, a couple of days ago my friend read up on the new MacBook pros and immediately started spouting off negative impressions, nearly word for word, that I've read from tech columnists of tech review websites. I get what some of their griefs are over but I see things differently. I see the path apple and Microsoft are taking and even though a lot of time has passed I believe both companies are taking the smart and safe roads. Anyhow, I've digressed.
I asked my friend to watch the Apple Hello Again presentation for herself and she came back to me and said "I totally get it".
Sure, I get that people wanted more wow's than just the touch bar but their direction with it is a good one. I think people expect major revolutions each time around but that's just not how tech works.
People need to evaluate things for themselves and formulate their own opinions instead of just spouting of the junk from these lack lustre lazy tech journalist that basically just copy and mimick each other's stories.
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Apple manufacturing partner Foxconn is testing wireless charging modules intended for use in the 2017 10th anniversary iPhone, according to Nikkei. However, Nikkei's source says the feature's inclusion into the iPhone 8 is dependent on yield rates.

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iPhone concept image via ConceptsiPhone
The modules are intended for the 2017 iPhone, but it's unclear whether all 2017 iPhone models will include wireless charging or whether it'll be reserved for higher-end Plus models.

In January, it was reported that Apple was exploring extended range wireless charging for the 2017 iPhone. Extended wireless charging is seen as superior to existing wireless charging solutions because it does not require the device to be as close to a charging mat or source. In February, there was speculation that Apple was working with Energous, the company behind WattUp, a wireless charging technology that uses radio waves to charge devices up to 15 feet away, on wireless charging technology.

Apple has also been hiring engineers experienced in wireless charging in recent months. In May, the company hired two engineers from uBeam, a startup focused on a wireless charging technique that uses ultrasonic waves to charge electronic devices by converting those waves into electricity.

The Cupertino company has also filed many patents for wireless charging technology, though it has publicly downplayed the usefulness of wireless charging, largely due to the need of a charging mat plugged into a wall.

The 2017 iPhone, which is expected to feature a major redesign with a glass body and edge-to-edge OLED display that integrates a Touch ID sensor and front-facing camera, will arrive in September 2017.

Article Link: Foxconn Testing Wireless Charging Modules for iPhone 8

Putting iPhone 8 in the tittle is misleading.
For one, it doesn't follow Apple's naming scheme they've used all this time. If they do it will be called the 7S.
Yes, this will be the tenth year/generation of iPhones and we all believe they have some big changes planned. If there are to be any changes to the name I believe it is more likely that they may drop the number scheme from the name all together and just go with iPhone. Just slap the year on it like you did in the content of your article. Makes sense right.
Anyhow, I for one, sincerely hope they get the yield numbers that they need and hit all their other targets to be able to truly bring wireless charging to the market.
Cheers.
 
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There's good and bad to that. We don't want to be charging our phones all the time. Batteries only last so many cycles. If you're charging a lot when the phone doesn't need it (say when it's at 80%) then you're using up those cycles when it's not needed and will kill battery life in the long run.

What's needed is a charging routine that only charges when needed or when the battery gets to a certain level. Otherwise you're looking at having to replace your battery yearly or even more frequently.

I was going to reply with a simple solution, but I've been beaten to it. You might have a point with worrying about battery life but it

Could be a simple iOS 11 implementation. Kinda like the sleep cycle thing in iOS 10

By implementing a manual toggle or an automatic one, like Mustang suggested:

Why not let customers set the charge parameters? Automatically charge if phone goes below X. If you know you're going out, gaming, or doing something intensive, toggle to manual setting if needed. That doesn't seem like a complicated scenario.

This seems a very interesting way of doing it.

I agree with you on both points. As big of an Apple fan as I am, I know them well enough to foresee them putting this out with an Apple centric router or router add on that you will have to purchase seperatly.
Likely in the beginning and improve over time to become universal. Hopefully.

On your first point though, I think it's fine to read rumours as long as you take it with a grain of salt. I think intelligent people understand that they're reading rumours and not facts. True fact, there are more stupid people in our world than intelligent ones. Sad, I know.
It's nice to hope for things we know for sure that Apple is working on no matter how clandestine they try to be, %90 of their work leaks out over time. Not everything they work on comes to market or to a product and some things take more work and are delayed to a future date. PatentlyApple is one of my favourite sources for information. Jack is pretty phenomenal in his work and I'm impressed that he keeps up with everything from day to day. Anyhow, what I'm getting at is that I believe people really need hear from the companies themselves and formulate their own opinions. For example, a couple of days ago my friend read up on the new MacBook pros and immediately started spouting off negative impressions, nearly word for word, that I've read from tech columnists of tech review websites. I get what some of their griefs are over but I see things differently. I see the path apple and Microsoft are taking and even though a lot of time has passed I believe both companies are taking the smart and safe roads. Anyhow, I've digressed.
I asked my friend to watch the Apple Hello Again presentation for herself and she came back to me and said "I totally get it".
Sure, I get that people wanted more wow's than just the touch bar but their direction with it is a good one. I think people expect major revolutions each time around but that's just not how tech works.
People need to evaluate things for themselves and formulate their own opinions instead of just spouting of the junk from these lack lustre lazy tech journalist that basically just copy and mimick each other's stories.

That's the thing! Yes, the new MacBooks may be somewhat expensive. Yes, Apple might be greedy. Yes, Apple is making a huge and abrupt leap forward dropping those legacy ports. But are any of these points new to how Apple has been doing things? No. But like you said, people are expecting to be wowed, floored and amazed at every single turn. Most comments start with, "the new MacBooks didn't wow me", "the new MacBooks aren't worth it"... That's just not the way things work. If your life depends on being wowed at every turn, then truly: wow. And don't get me started on the MagSafe comments, now every single MacBook user has tripped over the charging cord. Seriously? This is going way out of hand.
 
There's good and bad to that. We don't want to be charging our phones all the time. Batteries only last so many cycles. If you're charging a lot when the phone doesn't need it (say when it's at 80%) then you're using up those cycles when it's not needed and will kill battery life in the long run.

What's needed is a charging routine that only charges when needed or when the battery gets to a certain level. Otherwise you're looking at having to replace your battery yearly or even more frequently.

there must be a button on the charger to switch it on or off. If not, you can buy an extender adapter plug with on/off switch.

but the better solution is when the battery is below 50% and your iphone near the charger, iOS will show the notification on top "Slide to charge the battery". if you dont want to charge, just swipe up the notification.

and when you go to dashboard widget, there is a widget to charge your iphone on and off. pretty sweet.
 
How is being able to charge from a foot or two away any better than having a charging mat?

Case in point - The Apple Watch.

Doesn't have a charging mat but I'd consider it wireless charging to an extent. It always falls off when I'm charging it in my backpack, or really any moving surface. This doesn't happen when charging with a cable.

What do you expect people to do? Tape it together? Rubber band? Buy a clip? Then it's not really wireless anymore.

If I had a battery pack + wireless charging from up to one or two feet. I could just throw everything in my backpack without worrying about connecting things.


It's kinda a dense assumption that true wireless charging is the same as a charging mat.
 
I'm saying it now, and I'll come back to this post in September 2017. People are going to be equally disappointed with the new iPhone as they were with the new MacBooks. People are already calling it the "10th anniversary", iPhone 8, biggest iPhone redesign. It's okay for a rumors page to give out those names for the sake of rumors. What is not okay, is for people to fully believe those rumors, then get angry because they were disappointed of something that they thought was going to happen and never did. What if they go with the same iPhone 7 design and simply call it 7S? Try to take the "10th anniversary" out of people's mind then... no, they'll be too busy dooming Apple and claiming what Steve Jobs would have done as if Steve used to discuss design ideas with them personally.

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On a serious note, I think wireless charging will truly become usable when we have the option to install various "charging routers" around the house that emit "witricity". That way you'd be charging your phone every where around the house.

Apple can't afford to recycle a 2014 design for another year, not without the corresponding decline in sales.
 
If I had a battery pack + wireless charging from up to one or two feet. I could just throw everything in my backpack without worrying about connecting things.


It's kinda a dense assumption that true wireless charging is the same as a charging mat.
A battery pack and a backpack? Are you serious? This is your... wait, nope you're pulling my leg. I'm sorry. I must reject your niche example. It's not niche enough. That scenario is exactly why Apple would offer wireless charging of any kind. The battery pack and backpack scenario. Yup, that'll move some product.

Apologies for the snark. The scenario is just...
 
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A battery pack and a backpack? Are you serious? This is your... wait, nope you're pulling my leg. I'm sorry. I must reject your niche example. It's not niche enough. That scenario is exactly why Apple would offer wireless charging of any kind. The battery pack and backpack scenario. Yup, that'll move some product.

Apologies for the snark. The scenario is just...

Your posts usually aren't much for constructive discussion.

The dense comment really hit home.
 
This is not correct. A battery doesn't have to be drained to 0 and recharged to register a charge cycle. If that were true then my battery would register about 2 charge cycles in 2 years because it almost never gets to zero.

If only it were as you claim. In that magical world, as long as you never let it get to 0% charge, you'd never have a charge cycle and your battery could last forever without any ill effects.
Maybe I didn't express that clearly enough... What I mean by a full discharge/charge is that you have to have drained the equivalent of a full charge for it to count as a cycle. If you have a 1000mAh battery and you use 100mAh, then charge, then use another 100mAh and charge, and repeat that 10 times you will have used 1 cycle.

Looking for a link, it turns out that Apple has a pretty good one themselves:
http://www.apple.com/batteries/why-lithium-ion/
 
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I thought RF had a range limit..wondering if this will be in wireless power adapters, id like to see that or weather it will be another device on a desk u can just charge further away from
 
I'm saying it now, and I'll come back to this post in September 2017. People are going to be equally disappointed with the new iPhone as they were with the new MacBooks. People are already calling it the "10th anniversary", iPhone 8, biggest iPhone redesign. It's okay for a rumors page to give out those names for the sake of rumors. What is not okay, is for people to fully believe those rumors, then get angry because they were disappointed of something that they thought was going to happen and never did. What if they go with the same iPhone 7 design and simply call it 7S? Try to take the "10th anniversary" out of people's mind then... no, they'll be too busy dooming Apple and claiming what Steve Jobs would have done as if Steve used to discuss design ideas with them personally.

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On a serious note, I think wireless charging will truly become usable when we have the option to install various "charging routers" around the house that emit "witricity". That way you'd be charging your phone every where around the house.
I had a hunch that the new MBP was going to a disappoint but was hoping I was wrong. Now I am waiting for the next phone, not necessarily buying into the hype of the next phone per se, and I reckon you'll be right and that scares me.
 
I'm saying it now, and I'll come back to this post in September 2017. People are going to be equally disappointed with the new iPhone as they were with the new MacBooks. People are already calling it the "10th anniversary", iPhone 8, biggest iPhone redesign. It's okay for a rumors page to give out those names for the sake of rumors. What is not okay, is for people to fully believe those rumors, then get angry because they were disappointed of something that they thought was going to happen and never did. What if they go with the same iPhone 7 design and simply call it 7S? Try to take the "10th anniversary" out of people's mind then... no, they'll be too busy dooming Apple and claiming what Steve Jobs would have done as if Steve used to discuss design ideas with them personally.

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On a serious note, I think wireless charging will truly become usable when we have the option to install various "charging routers" around the house that emit "witricity". That way you'd be charging your phone every where around the house.

And you are spot on.....100%

But if Apple releases a phone even close to the depiction on this article they will see 300M in sales no matter what they call it.....
 
Perhaps this is the iPhone feature Cook stated the customer could not live without, when he was interviewed on Mad Money with Jim Cramer. Let's hope so.
 
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Still water resistant? Now this is something worth buying.

I think you are dead on! Wireless charging would change not only iphones, but also apple watches..

So many more possibilities...

I wonder if they could add more heath sensors if they didn't need to worry about battery life when it is charging on your wrist. No need for the beloved magsafe chargers either..

But this is Tim's Apple, so I shouldn't get my hopes up.
 
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I think you are dead on! Wireless charging would change not only iphones, but also apple watches..

So many more possibilities...

I wonder if they could add more heath sensors if they didn't need to worry about battery life when it is charging on your wrist. No need for the beloved magsafe chargers either..

But this is Tim's Apple, so I shouldn't get my hopes up.
Lol...I shouldn't get my hopes up too, but if this true....yes..I would be in the market. Like what some people say: vote with your wallet.
[doublepost=1477982899][/doublepost]Okay...if everything is wireless, then I guess starting up a new iPhone and updates requires wifi.
 
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