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Foxconn to Begin Production on iPhone X in India This July

pratikindia said:
Multiple reasons. Price, Services and VFM attitude of Indians. It's too expensive for most people to buy. For example the for the price of one XS Max 512, you can get 2 Samsung Note 9 512 GB and still have some money left. The recent price cut on XR might help them fight with Samsung. Apple services have no value in India. Maps, Siri and many other apps are useless. Maps is outdated and does not offer directions. Siri cannot understand accents and lot more. And one of the most ridiculous thing is 150 MB download limit on cellular data. Data is very very cheap and Apple forces you to download via WiFi which is not available everywhere. Indian market is price conscious. Most people see value for money factor in buying everything. Why pay 2-3 times more for an iPhone when much cheaper One Plus or other flagship phones are available?
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It’s not really got anything to do with VFM. Maybe to some extent it does matter. But by and large not many Indians have this kind of paying capacity, VFM or not. People in India who can splurge do indeed buy the best iPhones, but the number of such people is far fewer than you’d find in other countries.
 
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fairuz said:
Apple also "cuts corners" on RAM consumption, haha. I've never seen an iPhone slow due to apparent RAM exhaustion. It's not a problem.
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You've never seen an iPhone have more than one app open at a time either.

Some people are more easily tricked than others by iOS showing an image of an open app rather than a loading screen.
 
racerhomie said:
You mean all 10 Million iPhone users in India are Uber rich?
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India doesn’t have 10 mill iPhone users. Probably more like 5-7m users or so. 80%+ of who would probably buy only an iPhone SE (USD 250), 6s (USD 400) or 7 (USD 500) if they were to upgrade today.

The sales of premium iPhones (8 and up) is probably under 300-500k pieces a year right now. Earlier it was probably 3x this figure, but X pricing put off most people.

Basically, if Apple releases their flagship at USD 1000 in India they can probably sell maybe 0.5-1m pieces of it. But people don’t want second rung stuff at USD 1000. So if their tier B stuff is USD 1000 and up, then the total sales of the expensive stuff falls to like 300k units a year.
 
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Since iCloud has a lag of a couple of hours often times when uploading something before it appears on other devices... I think I'm going to switch to the far superior Android hardware with my next purchase. Apple can produce one phone less.
 
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rockarollr said:
Hopefully this means Apple will be supporting the iPhone X well into the future. I don’t plan on upgrading my $1200 phone any time soon. It already does more than I need it to do. It also won’t be completely paid off until this coming November.

This appears to be somewhat good news for everyone still holding onto (and still paying for) their “original” iPhone X.
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Why is this good news to us iPhone X owners? Apple has supported the iPhone 5S for 5 years, why would they not support the iPhone for as long, if not longer given how much apple's chip design department has pushed the A11
 
fairuz said:
Computer science has nothing to do with assembling phones.
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Of course. My poorly worded comment wasn't implying that. Instead, I was demonstrating that the standards of India's credentials for skilled trades are questionable. India's software businesses claim that degreed developers are unqualified. Some employers refuse to hire them, and prefer to teach the subject themselves. If a CS degree has no guarantee, it's possible India's machinists are similarly unqualified.
 
pratikindia said:
Multiple reasons. Price, Services and VFM attitude of Indians. It's too expensive for most people to buy. For example the for the price of one XS Max 512, you can get 2 Samsung Note 9 512 GB and still have some money left. The recent price cut on XR might help them fight with Samsung. Apple services have no value in India. Maps, Siri and many other apps are useless. Maps is outdated and does not offer directions. Siri cannot understand accents and lot more. And one of the most ridiculous thing is 150 MB download limit on cellular data. Data is very very cheap and Apple forces you to download via WiFi which is not available everywhere. Indian market is price conscious. Most people see value for money factor in buying everything. Why pay 2-3 times more for an iPhone when much cheaper One Plus or other flagship phones are available?
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Because they are spyware?
 
aakshey said:
India doesn’t have 10 mill iPhone users. Probably more like 5-7m users or so. 80%+ of who would probably buy only an iPhone SE (USD 250), 6s (USD 400) or 7 (USD 500) if they were to upgrade today.

The sales of premium iPhones (8 and up) is probably under 300-500k pieces a year right now. Earlier it was probably 3x this figure, but X pricing put off most people.

Basically, if Apple releases their flagship at USD 1000 in India they can probably sell maybe 0.5-1m pieces of it. But people don’t want second rung stuff at USD 1000. So if their tier B stuff is USD 1000 and up, then the total sales of the expensive stuff falls to like 300k units a year.
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Nope it crossed 10 Million in 2018. I believe I saw it on economictimes.indiatimes.com
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Frazie said:
Yes, But India has 5 millions of them.
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Actually its 10 Million.
 
magicschoolbus said:
I don't understand why Apple fails in the India market at all.. is it their prices?

India seems to be pretty open to western culture as a whole.. you would think Apple would have an easier time in that market than China.
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It’s the import protection India has.
 
Khedron said:
But still outperforms the iPhone X because Apple always cuts corners on RAM
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Depends whether you consider working unhealthy hours for unliveable wages to be a "skill"
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Your stance is exactly why manufacturing isn't coming back to the US. US has better quality of life, and manufacturing cannot coexist with that.
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Khedron said:
You've never seen an iPhone have more than one app open at a time either.

Some people are more easily tricked than others by iOS showing an image of an open app rather than a loading screen.
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lol. no iOS memory compression algorithms are better.
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travelsheep said:
Since iCloud has a lag of a couple of hours often times when uploading something before it appears on other devices... I think I'm going to switch to the far superior Android hardware with my next purchase. Apple can produce one phone less.
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dude, check your internet. Mine never takes so long. I use Photo Stream & iCloud Photo Sharing.
 
Khedron said:
You've never seen an iPhone have more than one app open at a time either.

Some people are more easily tricked than others by iOS showing an image of an open app rather than a loading screen.
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Yes I have. You can, say, run navigation while you video chat. Apps run in the background too and consume RAM all the same in case you want to switch back, even if all you can see in the app switcher is the screenshot. It's not such an issue when you aren't doing things like using 16 bytes for every Java Integer object.
 
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Baymowe335 said:
Apple has an enormous business in China at over $13B...bigger than most companies’ entire revenue line.
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It's not enormous. They make less than Samsung does. They have like 6.7% marketshare there.
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macfacts said:
Most people don't care. There are tons of iOS users with Facebook or google apps installed.
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with all permissions disabled
The real problem is the spyware causes lag. Compare a Samsung phone to a Google Pixel.
 
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fairuz said:
It's not enormous. They make less than Samsung does. They have like 6.7% marketshare there.
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The real problem is the spyware causes lag. Compare a Samsung phone to a Google Pixel.
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Bruh, know your numbers...

That $13B I mentioned is for one QUARTER.

For the year, Apple did $52B in China in 2018. You don’t call that enormous? LOL!

Let me give you some context. $52B in China is almost as big as the ENTIRE revenue line for The Walt Disney Company.

$52B is bigger than all the 2018 revenue for Tesla, Netflix, and eBay...COMBINED.

Apple’s China business is ENORMOUS.

Post some numbers to back up your claims. Samsung mobile doesn’t make more revenue in China than Apple.
 
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Baymowe335 said:
Bruh, know your numbers...

That $13B I mentioned is for one QUARTER.

For the year, Apple did $52B in China in 2018. You don’t call that enormous? LOL!

Let me give you some context. $52B in China is almost as big as the ENTIRE revenue line for The Walt Disney Company.

$52B is bigger than all the 2018 revenue for Tesla, Netflix, and eBay...COMBINED.

Apple’s China business is ENORMOUS.

Post some numbers to back up your claims. Samsung mobile doesn’t make more revenue in China than Apple.
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Apple made less in China in 2018 vs 2017. That means peak iPhone has already happened in china.
 
magicschoolbus said:
I don't understand why Apple fails in the India market at all.. is it their prices?
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Price? Obviously there's a lot of rich people in India (much like China) but the GDP per capita is like ~$2000 whereas China's is like $9000.

Not an exact metric, but China has more wealth to go around. The USA has a lot more wealth to go around (like 6-7x what China has).

TBH great to see stuff being made in India. I see no good reason why companies should invest massively in giving China all the tech manufacturing facilities. There's other developing countries where you could do to spread your eggs around a little.
 
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macfacts said:
Apple made less in China in 2018 vs 2017. That means peak iPhone has already happened in china.
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Wrong again.

Apple grew sales 16% in China in 2018.

At least have a clue before questioning me. I know the numbers better than probably anyone on this site.

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Baymowe335 said:
Bruh, know your numbers...

That $13B I mentioned is for one QUARTER.

For the year, Apple did $52B in China in 2018. You don’t call that enormous? LOL!

Let me give you some context. $52B in China is almost as big as the ENTIRE revenue line for The Walt Disney Company.

$52B is bigger than all the 2018 revenue for Tesla, Netflix, and eBay...COMBINED.

Apple’s China business is ENORMOUS.

Post some numbers to back up your claims. Samsung mobile doesn’t make more revenue in China than Apple.
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And smartphone revenue in China was $152B last year. So what?
I also don't know where you get $52B in 2018 from. It sounds suspiciously like Q1 2019 multiplied by 4.
Here are the numbers: http://english.donga.com/3/all/26/1433234/1 or compare to any other popular smartphone makers in China
 
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