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So, enough with this buy American or MADE IN USA stuff. It's all about money and that will be made wherever it's FREE from too many taxes, restrictions and regulations.

I know what you mean, all those restrictions and regulations prohibiting the dumping of chemicals in the rivers and poison gasses into the air or killing endangered animals. And the worst is that one about not being able to use slaves. And having to pay for medical costs it someone is injured. So his hand got smashed in a machine, why can't I just fire him for it?

Just how is a guy to make a buck in the US anymore?
 
Because before China, no other country in the world with factories EVER sourced raw materials from other countries.

It seems to me that you've spilled a lot of bits & bytes over nothing. I never said nor implied that China is/was the only country that consumes enormous amounts of raw resources. My comment was in reply to the commenter who suggested keeping manufacturing and pollution in China would be good for the US, whereas that’s just not true. But thanks for your hermeneutic of suspicion anyway.
 
I know what you mean, all those restrictions and regulations prohibiting the dumping of chemicals in the rivers and poison gasses into the air or killing endangered animals. And the worst is that one about not being able to use slaves. And having to pay for medical costs it someone is injured. So his hand got smashed in a machine, why can't I just fire him for it?

Just how is a guy to make a buck in the US anymore?

You forgot to compare them to Nazis...never forget to compare them to Nazis...

Amateur.
 
Manufacturing build wealth, generate revenue and helps a nation defend itself in time of war, we have shipped most of that overseas. So what happens when we have to go to war on a world scale? The U.S has been protecting Taiwan for several years and what have the done for the U.S? Nothing!

If we go to war on a global scale, I wouldn't really worry about the economics. We have been protecting Taiwan-Quemoy-Matsu since 1949 for our own political, military and espionage purposes. They're not required to provide cheap labor in return.
 
Don't bring any %#@ factories here, nosiree, we don't need no !%$#%&# jobs. Thanks Apple. 65 Billion in the bank... rat-bastards.
 
Missing the picture

Most people here are missing the big picture. I'm pretty old and have witnessed the changes in the tech sector. Back in '01 a lot of laptops were made or at least assembled in the USA, and they were quality products, but with cheap foreign labor most global companies could not resist the couple of percent they could add to their profit margins by moving overseas. The company I worked for made laptops for a major name, but they closed the plant here to save between 3.00 and 6.00 dollars per unit, a very small percentage of the overall value. A company like Apple could easily, make and assemble products here, the profit margin on an iPhone is around 60%, but if they did that then there profit margin would only be 50%. In 2000, American EXPORTED more high tech components than it imported. Here is the .gov source. We have competed and still can. As the Yuan rises against the dollar because the Chinese government can no longer keep it down the price on all these goods will rise, this is happening right now, the Chinese government can't combat inflation and rising food prices. So, companies like Foxconn are forced to look for cheaper labor.
 
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From one human rights disaster to another.

I'd pay more for a product Made in America that is contributing to our growing economy and feeding starving, hard working Americans.
 
...USA no longer manufactures except for our junky USA cars.

January 2011 marked the 18th straight month of growth in the US manufacturing sector, at the fastest rate in 7 years. Further, manufacturing created more jobs than were eliminated for the first time in more than a decade, and the number is likely to increase in 2011 (Wall Street Journal).

Not saying the situation is optimal, and we're not going back to an old-fashioned steel and coal economy anytime soon, it's just that the mythology has overtaken the facts.
 
It's evil because it suggests that both Foxcomm and the titans of Silicon Valley have found another exploitable source of cheap, desperately poor labor 'just in case' something happens in China--say a major earthquake like that in Japan or moves to throw out China's aging dictatorship much like that now taking place in the Middle East. Standing by itself, you might call this move shrewd but evil.

It might suggest that to some ignorant persons out there, but Brazil has one of the world's most expensive workforces. Employers pay anywhere between 80% to 120% over salaries in taxes.

]But it's also stupid because it rewards Brazil for its aggressive mercantilist policies. Other countries, particularly in Latin America, are likely to take note and follow. In fact, they'll be foolish if they don't.

It's been said already, but US has much worse protectionist policies. And other countries in America have had similar policies for decades - Uruguay for example has recently received a few chinese factories in exchange for lower taxes. This only benefits the two parties: the local government/communities that get a boost in jobs and income, and the company that gets to save money. It's definitely not the same as policies that favor raw material exports or put other countries' exports in jeopardy.
 
+1000 to you

If Apple manufactured their products in the US, the iPhone would probably cost $999 with a 2-year contract and the iPad would probably cost $1599 for the 16GB model.

When you have to pay someone $12 an hour to work an assembly line and pay for benefits and payroll taxes, that raises costs a lot to a country where you can pay 75 cents per hour and benefits like health insurance cost $5 a month rather than $500.

A 25-page document isn't necessary and the law would be dumb. All that it takes is for someone to take a basic economics course.

Americans who complain about jobs leaving overseas need to realize that when they go shopping they need to put their money where their mouth is. Everyone pays lip service to "made in the usa" but when they look at the price tags in the store they buy made in china!

The thing to watch here is if the quality improves when production is done in Brazil. If the production quality is the same or better, that's good news for consumers.

I totally agree. Whenever I read news stories about Apple on Yahoo! Finance, I see comments that vilify Apple for being a "greedy corporation" that sent jobs to China. I'm getting sick and tired of those phony patriots who have the gall to call Apple a greedy corporation for manufacturing things in China to save money, even though those same people happily buy cheap goods without caring in the least if they're made in China or not.

Here's food for thought for all of them. Some of the best Android phones on market, like the HTC EVO 4G, is made in Taiwan. HTC is a Taiwanese company. Where's the vitriol for HTC? Where's the outpouring of patriotism, where they refuse to buy a product made in "repressive China?"
 
I totally agree. Whenever I read news stories about Apple on Yahoo! Finance, I see comments that vilify Apple for being a "greedy corporation" that sent jobs to China. I'm getting sick and tired of those phony patriots who have the gall to call Apple a greedy corporation for manufacturing things in China to save money, even though those same people happily buy cheap goods without caring in the least if they're made in China or not.

Here's food for thought for all of them. Some of the best Android phones on market, like the HTC EVO 4G, is made in Taiwan. HTC is a Taiwanese company. Where's the vitriol for HTC? Where's the outpouring of patriotism, where they refuse to buy a product made in "repressive China?"

The difference being HTC is a Taiwanese company... Apple is an "American" company. You know, Designed in Cupertino...
 
Parabéns Brasil. Mais crescimento financeiro.

Not only good for Brazil, it's good for anyone buying electronics made by Foxconn and a good trend.

Manufacturing needs to re-globalize. China has taken on too much. Brazil and India need to get in the game and compete.

And remember -- US Companies are the primary people using these services. Microsoft would not have succeeded at X-Box, and Apple wouldn't have hit the price points for iPod/iPhone/iPad with out this type of off-shore low cost assembly business.

Basically, it's not a zero sum game. Wealth is being created all along the production chain.
 
From one human rights disaster to another.

I'd pay more for a product Made in America that is contributing to our growing economy and feeding starving, hard working Americans.

No you would not. Don't fool yourself.

Made in USA is becoming something from the past. Americans need to come to the forefront of innovation and technology. Labor is always cheaper in countries like Brazil and China.
Americans want to pay Walmart prices so that to happen these products need to be made elsewhere.
An iPad "made in USA" would probably cost twice.
 
No you would not. Don't fool yourself.

Made in USA is becoming something from the past. Americans need to come to the forefront of innovation and technology. Labor is always cheaper in countries like Brazil and China.
Americans want to pay Walmart prices so that to happen these products need to be made elsewhere.
An iPad "made in USA" would probably cost twice.

i don't know, i can find headphones (relatively high end) made in Ireland and Germany that are selling for the same price as a few made in China. Contrary to what people believe, i think a rise in price of a product made in a country like the states would not be substantially more. Economies of scale plays a fundamental role in this.
 
i don't know, i can find headphones (relatively high end) made in Ireland and Germany that are selling for the same price as a few made in China. Contrary to what people believe, i think a rise in price of a product made in a country like the states would not be substantially more. Economies of scale plays a fundamental role in this.

I agree 100%. Electronics are made in countries with much higher hourly wages in our countries, like Germany. In 2000, we exported more electronics than we imported, what happened?
 
Oh come on, people in the USA already get the cheapest stuff. Quit complaining about everything, damn. Honestly, don't see what you don't understand. The world today is about money. Companies don't care where they build it, as long as they make the most money possible. And honestly, most consumers that are reasonable only think about paying the least for the same product.

I don't honestly give a damn where it was made. And I'm in Brazil. Oh, and by the way, things won't get cheaper here. They never do. Foxconn's profit margin is the only thing that will change. And it will rise.
 
What are they manufacturing, and what percentage of Foxconn's output is represented by that type of product?

Almost all products that are manufactured by Foxconn are produced by hand. When labor is essentially free it's going to be cheaper than using a machine.

Do you know what the labor cost on an iPhone is? About 85 cents.
 
From one human rights disaster to another.

I'd pay more for a product Made in America that is contributing to our growing economy and feeding starving, hard working Americans.
To be honest, I'm from Germany and I would never ever pay an extra cent for a product manufactured in the US. The caption "Made in the USA" just suggests "Don't buy me, I'm going to suck". All these products I bought that were made in the US were overpriced and mostly of far worse manufacturing quality than comparable products from Asia or Europe. Just my experience, not that I hate Americans or anything, I like their ideas, creativity, inspiration and stuff, but the rest is better done by other people.
 
If Apple manufactured their products in the US, the iPhone would probably cost $999 with a 2-year contract and the iPad would probably cost $1599 for the 16GB model.

When you have to pay someone $12 an hour to work an assembly line and pay for benefits and payroll taxes, that raises costs a lot to a country where you can pay 75 cents per hour and benefits like health insurance cost $5 a month rather than $500.

A 25-page document isn't necessary and the law would be dumb. All that it takes is for someone to take a basic economics course.

Americans who complain about jobs leaving overseas need to realize that when they go shopping they need to put their money where their mouth is. Everyone pays lip service to "made in the usa" but when they look at the price tags in the store they buy made in china!

The thing to watch here is if the quality improves when production is done in Brazil. If the production quality is the same or better, that's good news for consumers.

Recently I have purchased two truck toys for my kid, one was a made in China Tonka truck $50, the other was a Bruder truck $50 made in Germany, about same size trucks, same functionality, and the Bruder was made out of nice soft plastics where Tonka was made from hard cheap plastics, plus if you would even look at both of the toys you would see just how much better and how much more detail the Bruder had over Tonka. Anyway, one would think that a childs toys is a low skill labor job and that it wouldn't make any sense building it in a highly developed nation yet somehow its doable in Germany. I see more made in EU toys in European Union countries than I see made in USA toys in USA (which is almost zero). This is just an example to show that simply US companies are more greedy and they just want more bottom line profit, nothing else. They don't care about local communities, their towns, basically their own consumer base, because the people who make it are also the people who buy it. But this kind of mentality is good for short term investment, what happens if your entire middle class disappears (its been happening for the past 25 years)? Who will buy the overpriced Nike or Apple products? I could see an advantage of cheaper labor in labor intensive niche products but those products are expensive to begin with, so if a person would be able to afford a $2000 Coach made in China bag, then they could easily afford a $2250 made in USA bag. Again, labor cost difference in mass production items is minimal.

Another issue is outsourcing of ALL the jobs, these days you have doctors from Russia reading the CT scans or X Rays for American practices and does a US patient see a decrease in medical costs??? NOPE You have paralegals outsourced all over the world, programmers/IT, lawyers, pretty much any industry can be outsourced these days except for services. And again, the savings in labor are not passed towards the consumer, its more about increasing profits for select few.

Do you really think that iPhone would cost $999 if it were made in USA? It would be maybe $50-75 more expensive than it is now and all the money would stay within the country making the country stronger and local economies strong and stable. And last but not least, US government allows all of this, its funny how for over 50 years they were battling USSR and communism yet since the 1970s they helped one of the most oppressive communist countries which is China become a world power. On one hand USA is trying to teach "democracy" in the Middle East and yet they do business with one of the largest oppressive countries in the world. Anyway, I'll end my rant, its not like the world will change tomorrow.
 
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To be honest, I'm from Germany and I would never ever pay an extra cent for a product manufactured in the US. The caption "Made in the USA" just suggests "Don't buy me, I'm going to suck". All these products I bought that were made in the US were overpriced and mostly of far worse manufacturing quality than comparable products from Asia or Europe. Just my experience, not that I hate Americans or anything, I like their ideas, creativity, inspiration and stuff, but the rest is better done by other people.

In all honesty, this has less to do with reliability, more to do with weakening your own country in the name of larger profit for select few. I have purchased crappy products from Asia/USA/Europe, and I have purchased durable items from Asia/USA/Europe. I guess its more about particular items design/engineering/quality control.
 
Well spoken, blitzkrieg79.

It is amazing to me that otherwise intelligent people parrot the corporate line that its simply not possible to manufacture products domestically and remain profitable. Do people really think that $80 name brand shirts, $140 shoes, or the $2500 computers being made on the other side of the planet are being sold at a price anywhere near what it actually cost to make? C'mon.

Why is it every time a company moves manufacturing overseas, we never see a reduction in the price?

If Apple was just barely squeezing out a profit and scraping by, holding on by their fingernails, I'd buy their line about needing to manufacture practically everything overseas, but we're talking about a company that makes absolutely enormous profits.

So Apple simply can't afford to manufacture here anymore? Well, how much profit did Apple make last quarter, again? Haha, sure, right.
 
And do you know how long it takes to assemble one?

I'm not sure, though I am sure it's a closely guarded secret, considering how secretive Foxconn is in general. I heard the other day that an AP photographer was beaten by their security guards after they caught him taking pictures near the factory, though I can't seem to find the story now.
 
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