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The 5c should have had a lower price point and the lack of sales is indicating that Apple misread the situation

They would never consider reducing their precious margins, even if it means that this epic fail of a product has an even shorter lifespan than most of us predicted.
 
I am probably going to end up buying the cheapest Android phone I can, maybe the Moto G if it's out in the US. But I would prefer an iPhone—not interested in buying the iPhone 4S (8 GB) for $450 either when the Nexus 5 (16 GB) is $349.

You should check your local Craigslist. You'll be able to get a 4s or a 5 for less than $450 and you won't have to worry about a contract. In fact, I have a 32gb 4s that I am going to sell and it will be a lot less than $450 even though I took great care of it and it has all of the original accessories and the box it came in. There are many other deals like mine out there.
 
They would never consider reducing their precious margins, even if it means that this epic fail of a product has an even shorter lifespan than most of us predicted.

They have certainly reduced their margins. Perfect example: retina macbook pro. Particularly the 13" line. When it first came out pricing was a joke. It wasn't selling as well, and there were issues first generation with the screen. They dropped prices. This year, they dropped prices again.

Unsold **** = 0% margins.
 
The 5c should have had a lower price point and the lack of sales is indicating that Apple misread the situation

You can find many on Amazon,except the green one,at 480-500€ and are selling quite well,perhaps because at that price point seems a good bargain?
I'm waiting a little but at that price point could be good for me too,
i mean a good one to wait the real iphone 6 ,hopefully with a quad ,2Gig of ram at least and a redesign ( the 4 design is getting boring to me ).

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I don't know anyone with a 5C and only 1 person with a 5S. Most seem to be grabbing the nexus brand of phones since they want a bigger screen (and are relatively cheap).

Maybe instead of release 2 phones with same screen they should have admitted people want bigger screens and just build one.

Apple could afford to be arrogant under Steve, but not under Tim.

But they are.Look new MacBook Pro.Soldered ram and discrete Gpu for over 500 more,while no quad at all in the 13 which has just the retina and a better Iris to separate it from an Air. within.5c price is way too high,i mean is a 2012 5 with a plastic body.

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Good point. It would have made more sense to simply keep the iPhone 5 at a cheaper price point alongside the flagship 5s. Why move back to plastic when they've moved all their products across to aluminium. Doesn't make much sense unless maybe they are planning to develop more of their products in plastic so that maybe their "consumer" products will come in colour plastic and their "pro" products will come in aluminium so as to better differentiate their product lines.

I can see a certain logic in that if they made a plastic colour MB (bit like the old black and white MB from a few years ago) to match your iPhone 5c while keeping the aluminium MBA and MBP. I can see the appeal for a certain demographic of a matching colour MB and iPhone.

For sure,they could but it seems like they were scared that the old 5 would be too similar to the 5S and so there came the plastic colors in,to save the 5s sales,infact they just put out the old 5 and then back in with a worst dress.The question is ?With 2012 5 model unchanged and still on sale ,5s sales could have been hurted?
 
Its not that the 5S is better. Its just that Apple hyped it to be the low cost phone and it really wasn't…..

To be fair, Apple themselves never said this; it was tech-blog pundits and us, who ‘proclaimed’ that.

…..Samsung + Android will probably take over the world phone market…..

Worldwide, in handsets sold, Samsung is leading already, but they are catering to a different segment of the market.
 
The 5C is perfect for the GF to replace her cracked mytouch4G but at $549 for the 16GB and $649 for 32GB it IS way to expensive. Especially with the Moto G for $179 and the Nexus 5 for $349!

Even if the 5C dropped $100 it would STILL be pretty expensive but that much more viable.

I even considered the 4S at $450, but only 8GB, are you serious Apple?

For now we look on craigslist for an unlocked ATT iPhone 5 I guess :(
 
what on earth? since 2008, apple has always sold the last-year's phone in the discounted #2 spot. how is it any different today? the 5 got a new case and was renamed to the 5c, but still occupies the #2 spot at a $100 discount, just as theyve done every year in the past.

what's changed here? what is confusing everyone? the new case? >slap forehead<. same core phone. theyre leveraging the build investment for a second year...possibly a third year if it replaces the 4S next year.

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so is it a "great mistake", or is it a success since it's selling? remember: it's last-year's phone, in the #2 spot. just as apple has done annually since 2008.

looks like success to me. and i wouldnt be surprised if it takes over the #3 spot next year (currently the 4S), while the 5s goes to #2, and the 6 to #1.

Problem is, in my opinion, that the 5C is ugly and gives a feeling that it is cheap. Even the 3gs gives me the feeling to be of a better build quality.
Why would anyone want to buy the 5c, with its plasticky buttons for just 100$ less than the 5S?
Apple should have updated the 5 with the new tech specs of the 5c, keeping the same build and aesthetics, and kept selling it as the number 2 choice.
 
Problem is, in my opinion, that the 5C is ugly and gives a feeling that it is cheap. Even the 3gs gives me the feeling to be of a better build quality.
Why would anyone want to buy the 5c, with its plasticky buttons for just 100$ less than the 5S?
Apple should have updated the 5 with the new tech specs of the 5c, keeping the same build and aesthetics, and kept selling it as the number 2 choice.

Your comment is actually wrong, factually, due to the fact the 5c has the metal frame built into/onto the plastic shell. Therefore it IS more structurally sound than the 3G/3Gs.

The 5c feels far from cheap. It actually feels quite robust and is comfortable to hold due to the shape of the edges. I don't own one, I would consider it if my contract were up now given the deals here in the UK (free).

I still don't get why some people in the Apple "community" seem to look down their noses at 5c owners like they're some kind of second class citizens.

It is, at the end of the day, a very fast and capable device and if found on the right deal/tariff is a bargain (talking UK here).
 
…..Their philosophy is to make the best product, and the 5C simply didn't fit into Apple's design philosophy.

So true, always been that way, but perhaps lately they have gotten caught up too much with the 'price umbrella'; having a model to suit everyone. Many of Apple's product categories seem to have more models now than before.

Let's face it, at $100 less than the 5S, the 5C is still a great phone if you don't need the latest and greatest, and
a good upgrade for any price-conscious consumer with a pre-iPhone5 model.
 
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Your comment is actually wrong, factually, due to the fact the 5c has the metal frame built into/onto the plastic shell. Therefore it IS more structurally sound than the 3G/3Gs.

The 5c feels far from cheap. It actually feels quite robust and is comfortable to hold due to the shape of the edges. I don't own one, I would consider it if my contract were up now given the deals here in the UK (free).

I still don't get why some people in the Apple "community" seem to look down their noses at 5c owners like they're some kind of second class citizens.

It is, at the end of the day, a very fast and capable device and if found on the right deal/tariff is a bargain (talking UK here).

I don't deny that the 5c has great technical specs. In my hands it just feels cheaply built.
If i had to buy a new smartphone i would look into the 5s and the Sony Xperia Z1 (with the Sony being my preferred choice at the moment).
I am still using a 3gs and i don't look down my nose to people using the 5c.
I know many (most, in my opinion) buy iPhones and iPads only for the purpose of showing off. Not me.
I also regard the iPad, and all tablets as well, as useless technology. I feel i can do more and better using a notebook (MacBook). But this is only my opinion.
 
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Good phone, bad price!

I really like most Apple products and currently use iPhone 4 with iOS 7, so was eagerly awaiting the release of 5C which was rumoured to be a more affordable version of the phone.

I live in France and when the 5C came out it started here at 599€ (~810$) and then went up to 609€ (~820$), while the same very model is selling in the US for 549$! I get it - taxes, import duties, etc., but how come Nokia, Samsung and Google manage not to overprice it so much? With the amount of money Apple has, this should not be so hard to absorb?

I do not want to compare it to Nexus 5, etc., as it is a different experience altogether, yet it would be useful for Apple to follow the general trends in gadget pricing to be more competitive. If the 5C was selling for 400-450€ off contract (unlocked), I would happily buy it. For now I will keep on using my vintage 4! :p
 
I don't deny that the 5c has great technical specs. In my hands it just feels cheaply built.
If i had to buy a new smartphone i would look into the 5s and the Sony Xperia Z1 (with the Sony being my preferred choice at the moment).
I am still using a 3gs and i don't look down my nose to people using the 5c.
I know many (most, in my opinion) buy iPhones and iPads only for the purpose of showing off. Not me.
I also regard the iPad, and all tablets as well, as useless technology. I feel i can do more and better using a notebook (MacBook). But this is only my opinion.

Yeah, I'd just like to clarify that I wasn't accusing you of "looking down" on 5c owners, it was more a general observation from these forums.

If I am being honest the 5c actually felt far more sturdy than I thought it would given its materials.

As for your views on tablets, well that's for another thread and a different debate altogether. ;)
 
Problem is, in my opinion, that the 5C is ugly and gives a feeling that it is cheap. Even the 3gs gives me the feeling to be of a better build quality.
Why would anyone want to buy the 5c, with its plasticky buttons for just 100$ less than the 5S?
Apple should have updated the 5 with the new tech specs of the 5c, keeping the same build and aesthetics, and kept selling it as the number 2 choice.

I'll give you the pricing a little bit, but have you actually *used* a 5c? A reviewer on the verge or macbreak weekly was saying it felt like enamled metal. yes, it's plastic but it feels very very solid. I have 0 concerns about dropping it like I did with my 4s.

My biggest complaint? They need a rubber gasket around the SIM card slot as it accumulates grime from my dirty dirty hands.

Also, if you get this unlocked it's a true world phone unlike the 10+ SKU's of the 5. it can roam most places on LTE.
 
I think the general consensus is that the iPhone 5 @ $100 off would be a better deal than the 5C.

Personally, if I NEEDED an iPhone, and the 5S wasn't in-stock... I'd probably buy a used iPhone 5 than get the 5C.
 
I think the general consensus is that the iPhone 5 @ $100 off would be a better deal than the 5C.

Personally, if I NEEDED an iPhone, and the 5S wasn't in-stock... I'd probably buy a used iPhone 5 than get the 5C.

And why that ???
iPhone 5c has slightly IMPROVEMENTS on iPhone 5 ... Slightly improvements are still improvements.
 
And why that ???
iPhone 5c has slightly IMPROVEMENTS on iPhone 5 ... Slightly improvements are still improvements.

Same internals, 5% more battery capacity.

Uglier and cheaper looking plastic exterior.

And what's worse, everything is GLUED IN... meaning you can't even replace the battery if you wanted to.

Those aren't marketable improvements, sorry. Again, the overall consensus is that the iPhone 5C is a cheap plastic version of the 5... and that's what's been echoing throughout the forums. It's an observation. And that's why Apple is ramping down production of the iPhone 5C.
 
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Same internals, 5% more battery capacity.

Uglier and cheaper looking plastic exterior.

And what's worse, everything is GLUED IN... meaning you can't even replace the battery if you wanted to.

Those aren't marketable improvements, sorry. Again, the overall consensus is that the iPhone 5C is a cheap plastic version of the 5... and that's what's been echoing throughout the forums. It's an observation. And that's why Apple is ramping down production of the iPhone 5C.

There is nothing ugly and nothing cheaper looking in iPhone 5c exterior.
And internals are not the same, being different (better) in front camera and LTE support.

And there isn't any "overall consensus", just in websites full of Apple bashers ...

Apple is ramping down production after the launch period, probably as planned, we don't know, to ramp up production of the intended best seller product: iPhone 5s.

Anything else is just speculation ....
 
There is nothing ugly and nothing cheaper looking in iPhone 5c exterior.
And internals are not the same, being different (better) in front camera and LTE support.

And there isn't any "overall consensus", just in websites full of Apple bashers ...

Apple is ramping down production after the launch period, probably as planned, we don't know, to ramp up production of the intended best seller product: iPhone 5s.

Anything else is just speculation ....

what a great post. is your name muhammad saeed al-sahhaf?

people arent apple bashers if they can muster up something other then "yes everything apple does is great"
 
Which invariably happens to every company that sticks around long enough. Like life, history, civilization, its a series of ups and downs. Every kingdom falls eventually.

Some caused by actual events, some just because people changed.

Maybe Apple released a dud. Maybe people just got sick of Apple, changed expectations, changed opinions.

Anyway, the strong ones recover, are reborn stronger.

Apple is everything to Steve by all accounts. It is his legacy. That's like saying he's smiling at his son's or daughter's failure.
 
what a great post. is your name muhammad saeed al-sahhaf?

people arent apple bashers if they can muster up something other then "yes everything apple does is great"

My name is not your business ...
All this whining about iPhone 5c is just ridiculous: Apple is doing the same thing since 2009. This time they just changed the shell.
And iPhone 5c is a very well designed and assembled plastic phone. Another league compared with "flagships" like Samesung S4 ....
 
The 5C is Apple's way to protect profit margins, no more no less. The iPhone5 was expensive to make, rather than drop the price and cut into that margin they found a cheaper way to produce it and called it a new phone. The fact there were a couple of very minor improvements is likely because those parts experienced a price drop and Apple threw them in because it didn't cost them any more than the parts for the original iPhone5 did. It's a good strategy on their part.

As for the 5C as a phone I don't really have any problem with it. My wife recently upgraded from a 3GS to a blue 5C and she loves it. She doesn't care about specs, she was comfortable with the price, and she also liked the colours. It was the perfect phone to fit her needs and I'm sure many others feel the same way. Myself however, I'm a techie like most people here so I went with the 5S.

The 5C definitely has it's place just like all other previous models had when the new flagship launched. Apple just opened a can of worms by straying slightly from the path everybody is used to and it's been blown out of proportion. If they kept the original iPhone5 around nobody would say a word but keep the SAME PHONE and throw a plastic backing on it and the world ends.
 
So, the news is out .

The iPhone 5c is obviously not selling well, and this is proof.

Not supringly, everyone wants to buy the 5s, cos they reckon the finger-print reader is good. Sources inficate this is not true, as it wears out over time.

Oh well. Whats the next thing to "fake" customers into Apple??
 
The iPhone 5c is obviously not selling well, and this is proof.

Not supringly, everyone wants to buy the 5s, cos they reckon the finger-print reader is good. Sources inficate this is not true, as it wears out over time.

Oh well. Whats the next thing to "fake" customers into Apple??

It's not that everyone wants the 5s, the 5s was severely underproduced.

Both phones have been selling at about a medium rate out of the gate, for the 5c, They may have to resume production after the holiday season.

Macrumors has been lost on this story since the beginning.
 
The 5C is Apple's way to protect profit margins, no more no less. The iPhone5 was expensive to make, rather than drop the price and cut into that margin they found a cheaper way to produce it and called it a new phone. The fact there were a couple of very minor improvements is likely because those parts experienced a price drop and Apple threw them in because it didn't cost them any more than the parts for the original iPhone5 did. It's a good strategy on their part.

As for the 5C as a phone I don't really have any problem with it. My wife recently upgraded from a 3GS to a blue 5C and she loves it. She doesn't care about specs, she was comfortable with the price, and she also liked the colours. It was the perfect phone to fit her needs and I'm sure many others feel the same way. Myself however, I'm a techie like most people here so I went with the 5S.

The 5C definitely has it's place just like all other previous models had when the new flagship launched. Apple just opened a can of worms by straying slightly from the path everybody is used to and it's been blown out of proportion. If they kept the original iPhone5 around nobody would say a word but keep the SAME PHONE and throw a plastic backing on it and the world ends.
Good analysis indeed.
I would add that performance wise there is absolutely nothing wrong with iPhone 5c.
This is not Android. Here you don't need a quadcore 2 Ghz chipset to run apps and os smoothly ...
An iPhone 5/5c can handles photos, videos, apps .... everything without a problem.
iPhone 5c surely is a little overpriced (as many Apple's products I would add), but it's not the crappy device someone describe here.

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The iPhone 5c is obviously not selling well, and this is proof.

Not supringly, everyone wants to buy the 5s, cos they reckon the finger-print reader is good. Sources inficate this is not true, as it wears out over time.

Oh well. Whats the next thing to "fake" customers into Apple??

There is no proof at all of what you are saying.
The only "proof" we can assume is that they need to ramp up production for iPhone 5s and they have enough stocks of iPhone 5c, so they are switching productions.
iPhone 5c isn't supposed to be a best seller.

About your claim on the fingerprint reader .... what are your "source" ? :confused:
 
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