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From Steve Jobs' Biography: "I'm going to destroy Android"

samcraig said:
I have no idea why you are getting downvoted for providing unemotional and factual responses.

But if anything is certain on here - there are plenty of MR posters who have no regard for the honest truth or facts. And that is not only sad - but it becomes tiresome.
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MR needs to rethink the up/down vote system. The other day someone also asked the same question.

We are lazy and before reading a response, we look at the number first. if it's a negative number, we've already made our mind that it's a bad post but in reality it ISN"T! it's because some die-hard fan's can fathom facts.

please remove the post rank up/down buttons. it only distracts a discussion.
 
D4F said:
Haha I love those posts yet none will get adressed correctly... they fade silently... Then a new argument will appear only to be abolished few seconds later and... off we go with something else ahaha.

Don't stress Knight. You're in a very iClouded Minds territory :D
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Flash works flawlessly on this Galaxy S Plus. Heck, 720p videos didn't even cause this single core phone to explode and the browser is still smooth as butter. :p
 
adder7712 said:
Flash works flawlessly on this Galaxy S Plus. Heck, 720p videos didn't even cause this single core phone to explode and the browser is still smooth as butter. :p
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I was surprised how it was handled. Just click to play if you want it or just do not. I have the feeling that most users here believe the Flash plug-in is always on.

People are pretty impressed when I playback downloaded 720p trailers from YouTube. Battlefield looks great and bright indoors.
 
Eidorian said:
I was surprised how it was handled. Just click to play if you want it or just do not. I have the feeling that most users here believe the Flash plug-in is always on.
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they also probably don't know that flash can be set to "on-demand".

i just hate when people claim silly things like "flash is a battery drainer". well what ISN"T on a smart phone? at least with Flash you can choose when to use it.

the real reason for denying flash is plenty of Flash content would hamper the itunes/games/apps revenue.

people said DOS is(was) dead but really it isn't. it lives, different but it continues. same will happen to flash. it will keep evolving.
 
Technically Android and iOS are so far apart that calling Android a copy of iOS is insane. That leaves us with UI - namely touch interactions and grid of icons.

The touch UI was in place before iPhone came along. iPhone just popularized it. Multitouch is just an extension of the original touch interface and that wasn't invented by Apple either. As much as you wouldn't call OS2 a copy of Mac OS for using keyboard and mouse to interact you wouldn't call Android a copy of using the same basic {multi}touch interface to interact with the phone. It is basic stuff and no one should have a lock on something as fundamental as interaction mechanism like mouse and touch.

Grid of icons is another territory people like to debate on directly or indirectly ( people post screenshots of Android before and after iPhone and point to the grid of icons and feel smug afterwards for e.g.) - it doesn't warrant another discussion but suffice it to say that it goes way back to Xerox days.

A SmartPhone *is* a reduced computer - instead of keyboard and mouse it uses touch to interact. There are apps, there is some notion of a desktop, there is a browser and so on so forth. The only reason to limit it to that is the limited resources. Apart from that it leverages the same concepts from the desktop.

As far as differences go - iOS and Android diverge so greatly in their implementations of the various pre-existing concepts and notions that it's hardly fair to call them copies - Android had multitasking before iPhone and to date it works very differently from the iPhone - both UI and underlying implementation. Android also had notifications long before iOS did and we all know the iOS notifications are inspired by Android.

Oh and the reason Android looked different before iPhone - hardware availability and there is this thing called tailoring the OS for the hardware. The hardware available back then was weak, had smaller screens, physical keyboard was the norm - so they had to tailor the OS to work within those bounds. As soon as the touchscreen revolution came around and people got comfortable with virtual keyboards the UI was redesigned to be more expansive.

At the very most we could call Apple a catalyst to the smartphone revolution and everyone benefited from it not because they blatantly copied Apple but because they leveraged the same fundamental technological advances and offered enough value and differentiation in the market to make it successful.

What I find disgusting is that "stolen" part of it - that is senseless. That amounts to stupidity on a scale that was never seen before. No matter how you look at it - even if you stretch the definition of stolen a bit you can't sanely justify that Android was stolen from iOS. If they had stolen iOS code and used it in Android to allow developers to run their iOS apps on Android, if they would have made it look exactly similar (complete with Mobile Safari and Mail with same icons for example) then it would be fair to call it stolen. Reality is totally different though - Android and iOS are independent implementations and extensions of same/similar, pre-existing notions of computing.
 
chagla said:
they also probably don't know that flash can be set to "on-demand".

i just hate when people claim silly things like "flash is a battery drainer". well what ISN"T on a smart phone? at least with Flash you can choose when to use it.

the real reason for denying flash is plenty of Flash content would hamper the itunes/games/apps revenue.

people said DOS is(was) dead but really it isn't. it lives, different but it continues. same will happen to flash. it will keep evolving.
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I had no clue until I got my first smartphone. Then I was like, it's Click-to-Flash! :rolleyes:

DOSBox is quite popular too.
 
kdarling said:
....What we didn't have, at least in the mass consumer space, was a UI that was totally geared towards fingers, on a screen large enough to handle it.....
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You, myself, Knight, Eidorian, and many many others have been saying just this for the past 4 years.

BUT NO!!!

Apple had to invent the smartphone and blah blah blah keeps getting regurgitated by the same crowd. Can MR just sticky this statement.

I loved my Treos and I loved my Palm TX and I thought one day, "it'd sure be nice to have the functionality and mobility of the Treo with a screen the size of the TX . . . . then I got an EVO almost 5 years later.
 
He was a great man

Steve Jobs was a great man but all this business and projections can kill someone..
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)

Google is going after Apple with Android.
Apple is a Real Community. It's Huge.
It's Loyal.
Apple needs to go after Google with Yahoo.
Apple needs to buy Yahoo.
Tens of Millions will follow immediately, and
After a few months of overalls Hundreds of Millions more
will follow.
 
Eidorian said:
I had no clue until I got my first smartphone. Then I was like, it's Click-to-Flash! :rolleyes:

DOSBox is quite popular too.
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People here seem to have forgotten that Flash can technically be set to behave like Click-To-Flash on Android and I haz pics!
 

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Rodimus Prime said:
that is where I leave it on mine. It flash is useful every now and then. Big time for some annoying sites that are flash only or if there is an embeded flash video on the site I want to launch.
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It is nice to see Flash ads effectively blocked and still watch some of the videos I am linked too from time to time. I really have no complaints about Flash playback on my phone.

720p videos are beautiful on it. I am really enjoying my purchase.
 
KnightWRX said:
You're right and on to something. Apple invited Eric and not the other way around. If Eric had asked to be on board, then we could conclude to spying, but since it's Apple that did the inviting, it's actually Apple that wanted to keep tabs on Google!

Good work Watson.
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Not necessarily. Apple is primarily a hardware company, while Google was mostly search. Perhaps Apple didn't see Google as a competitive threat, or perhaps they thought that by inviting Schmidt to the Board they would foster a working business relationship. It isn't odd to see Fortune 500 CEOs on boards of other Fortune 500 companies. It is a little odd if they are both in the same industry, but then again, until recently, Apple and Google didn't compete with each other. Recall that Google provided (and still provides) map and search data to Apple for the iPhone.

Remember, while Schmidt was on the Board, Google didn't actually release anything that was competitive to Apple. It wasn't until he left Apple's board that Google became aggressive at promoting Android. Rightly or wrongly, Jobs likely felt somewhat betrayed by Google's actions in being so aggressive with Android. iOS devices make up about 2/3 of Apple's revenue now, and Google is competing head on with them with Android smartphones and tablets.
 
Overrated

Apple and steve jobs have been a part of the computer Technology But they isolate themselves From the rest of the developers. It will be interesting what happens after steve jobs. I don't know if they're painting themselves into a corner or they will continue this level of success. However if they think they will completely dominate the cellphone market they are completely mistaken.
 
islanders said:
Apple and steve jobs have been a part of the computer Technology But they isolate themselves From the rest of the developers. It will be interesting what happens after steve jobs. I don't know if they're painting themselves into a corner or they will continue this level of success. However if they think they will completely dominate the cellphone market they are completely mistaken.
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Your post makes absolutely no sense. Congratulations.
Isolate themselves from developers? iOS has the biggest and healthiest development community in the industry. No other platform comes close.

Anyway, this thread is complete trash. So much idiocy, generalizing, and jumping to simplistic and asinine conclusions. Yeah, lets all ****ing define Jobs by one statement, and make conclusions about the rest of his character, characterizing him as evil/unethical/whatever. Some of you are so damn thin-skinned.
 
Slurpy2k8 said:
Your post makes absolutely no sense. Congratulations.
Isolate themselves from developers? iOS has the biggest and healthiest development community in the industry. No other platform comes close.

Anyway, this thread is complete trash. So much idiocy, generalizing, and jumping to simplistic and asinine conclusions. Yeah, lets all ****ing define Jobs by one statement, and make conclusions about the rest of his character, characterizing him as evil/unethical/whatever. Some of you are so damn thin-skinned.
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Odd because Your post is nothing but asinine and simplistic. It is no wonder that my post makes no sense to you at all. You have articulated nothing at all and are a complete waste of time. The worst part of apple are fanboys like you.
 
islanders said:
Odd because Your post is nothing but asinine and simplistic. It is no wonder that my post makes no sense to you at all. You have articulated nothing at all and are a complete waste of time. The worst part of apple are fanboys like you.
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Good job turning around and not addressing the content of my post. You stated something completely ludicrous, and I called you out on it. Your response? To call me a fanboy. Congrats. So what the hell does this mean:

Apple and steve jobs have been a part of the computer Technology But they isolate themselves From the rest of the developers.

Not only does it make no sense from an english/grammar perspective, but it's also verifiably untrue. iOS has the biggest dev community in the phone industry. That's a fact. Don't be all ass-hurt cause you said something wrong and untrue. Oh, and stop randomly capitalizing words in sentences.
 
islanders said:
Odd because Your post is nothing but asinine and simplistic. It is no wonder that my post makes no sense to you at all. You have articulated nothing at all and are a complete waste of time. The worst part of apple are fanboys like you.
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I am not an Apple fanboy by any means. I tire of this simplistic opposition of Apple vs Google, or this equally tired idea that Apple isolates itself from developers, or that developers are the saviors of a tech company. No matter how talented your developers, the trick is to come up with products that customers want. AOL, RIM, MySpace, Nokia and other companies all had their day in the sun. Yahoo is faltering now. Netflix stumbled.

Consumers can be surprisingly fickle. Steve Jobs did an amazing job in not just anticipating consumer taste, but also in shaping it. Anybody, in any company, who can do that, has a good chance of succeeding.
 
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